Gothic 3 : The Horror

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by UniversalWolf, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005

    This game has the worst combat of any game I've ever played, hands down. It's more unpleasant than watching Nicholas Cage stumble through two hours of bad italian accent in Captain Corelli's Mandolin, and I didn't think anything could be that unpleasant.

    And you start the game - after a really, really long load time - in the middle of a large, difficult fight - and hint windows keep popping up but the fight doesn't pause to give you time to read them - and the developers obviously knew this was a horrible way to start the game because they made it so you can't die? You just fall down for a few seconds and drop your sword, but when you stand up again you have only a fraction of your health so you keep getting not-killed over and over again? The horror...

    It's such a train wreck I find it fascinating, like picking a big scab on your knee. It's so very, very, unbelievably bad...

    And yes, I've tried both the vanilla version and the new fan-made 1.73 patch.
  2. Ravager69

    Ravager69 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 21, 2007
    Gothic 3 is a wasted potential, I only kept playing it out of sheer sutbborness. The fights are bad and unbalanced, the amount of bugs is horryfing.
  3. Iridium L

    Iridium L First time out of the vault

    Sep 14, 2007
    Yep, welcome to the club. And don't think for a moment, that it gets any better. All that awaits the Gothic 3 player are frustrations due to the bad combat, loads of uninspired MMO-like quests (hunt x deer, collect x y, clear that canyon of creatures...) and unrewarding exploration due to randomly generated loot. The only positive I can think of is the beauty of the landscape and design in some places.

    However, do not get discouraged from playing the first two parts if you didn't already, they are very good freeroam-action-RPGs. The difference between those and the third equal the difference between Fallout 1+2 and Bethesdas game, even though the exact same people programmed it.
  4. Unkillable Cat

    Unkillable Cat Mildly Dipped

    Jan 5, 2004
    That's why I'm waiting for the Quest Pack by Humanforce to be finally released in English. One of the many things it fixes is that loot is no longer random. But yes, the battle at the beginning is a wonderful lesson in stupidity.

    I would not use such a bold statement. I mean, Gothic 3 has shitty combat, but the only DERPDERP stupid thing about it is how close the frozen north and the desert are from one another. Fallout 3 starts with the Stupid Seal of Approval and flashes it regularly throughout the game, right to the very end.
  5. Iridium L

    Iridium L First time out of the vault

    Sep 14, 2007
    Well, maybe I overshot a bit to make the point, but in essence I really felt that way when I first played Gothic 3. Sure, the game mechanics have not changed as fundamentally as in Bethesdas Fallout, but all the other ingredients of the Gothic experience, the combat, the exploration, the friendship with fleshed out characters, the sense of danger when you stroll through dimly lit forests, were just not there anymore.

    Geological inconsistencies don't bother me that much in a Fantasy-scenario, but I had plenty of stoopid-moments in G3. For instance when I found that Dragons are no longer rare and powerful creatures, but became glorified Bats. Or right at the beginning, when the crew arrives in an Orc-infested country and decides to scatter about anyway. The Rebels want you to wipe out an Orc-Patrol that camps about 20 meters from the entrance to their "hideout".

    Or this one time, when I killed about 30 Crawler-Things to get to a cave, only to find a chest with a torch and some gold coins, which made me give up the game in disgust. In my opinion G3 is fubar, despite the efforts of the community.
  6. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Did they at least give a warning that they are selling a beta version?
  7. Flop

    Flop Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 10, 2004
    I liked Gothic 3, although not as much as 1 and 2.

    And the really good loot isn't random. There's a certain amount of special chests that contain the good loot.

    The combat isn't the best I've seen, but not really worse than Gothic 1 and 2, as far as I'm concerned.
  8. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I have to disagree with that. Gothic 1 and 2 had mediocre to bad combat. Gothic 3 combat is so bad it ruins the game.

    I've gotten around it by using the cheat console to spawn a bunch of potions to increase my health, strength, hunting, mana, and endurance to extremely high levels. Combat is now more or less irrelevant, which allows me to enjoy the rest of the game without the distraction. I notice that after the absurd initial fight, combat actually becomes incredibly easy, provided the player is patient to the point of mental illness and willing to exploit the mechanics. A beginning character with a bow and arrows can kill almost anything in the game since monsters give up the chase after a short time.

    I'm pretty satisfied with my outright cheating approach. Once combat is nullified the rest of the game seems good. In general I like the core idea of the third-person adventure. I like the movie-style dialogue and the way the world reacts to the player's actions. The content seems solid in the tradition of the previous Gothics.

    I'd like to see a game like Gothic, but with less combat overall, a combat system more or less stolen from Mount & Blade, and more dungeon-exploration actions like climbing and climbing with ropes - sort of like what you have in Tomb Raider.
  9. Paul_cz

    Paul_cz Mildly Dipped

    Jun 11, 2008
    Gothic 3 does have the worst beginning ever, but after that (and the beginning fight takes 10 minutes anyway) the game rocks.It is not as fucking awesome as first two, but still great.Piranhas are unsurpassed in world design.
  10. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Still, Gothic 3 sucks. Better try Risen, it brings back old Gothic 1 and 2 feelings. :)
  11. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    Interesting. I might try Risen at some point. After playing Gothic 3 for quite some time now I have to say I like the first two better. I'll complete the game before passing final judgement, but I'm finding it a chore to retain my interest. Bad combat aside, the quests are less interesting, the world is less interesting, and the graphics, while more detailed, just don't have the same grit as the first two games in the series.