High Tech Toys

welsh

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OK, we have talked about electronic toys in the past, so I figured it might be cool to start a regular thread here.

First up Flat Screen TVs- who is planning to get one soon? Do you think they are too expensive? Why do you want one (besides the fact that they look pretty freaking cool).

Economist comments?

lat-panel televisions

Thin screens, fat margins
Dec 18th 2003
From The Economist print edition

What is behind the sudden mania for flat-panel televisions?

IF YOU are thinking of buying a flat-panel television, you are not alone. Along with Apple's iPod music player and a robot vacuum-cleaner called the Roomba, flat-panel TVs just a few inches thick (as opposed to much fatter “flat-screen” TVs based on conventional cathode-ray tubes) are generating a buzz among tech-savvy holiday shoppers. Today's flat mania, says Scott McGregor, the boss of Philips Semiconductors, is “completely irrational” since a conventional TV can produce just as good an image at a fraction of the price. Not that Mr McGregor minds. His firm's joint venture with LG of South Korea is the world's leading maker of liquid-crystal displays (LCDs), the technology used in most flat-panel TVs.

In part, says Riddhi Patel of iSuppli, a market-research firm, the sudden rise of flat-panel TVs is driven by the popularity of DVD players, games consoles and digital cable, all of which produce clear, sharp images that look particularly good on a big screen. Flat-panel screens are stylish and do not take up that much room. And they have geek appeal. As Pip Coburn, an analyst at UBS, puts it: “Getting a flat-panel TV today is as exhilarating as getting a desktop computer 15 years ago—if you can remember what that was like.”

But the main reason for the sudden emergence of flat-panel TVs is that manufacturers smell a lucrative new market. As LCD screens in both desktop and laptop computers have become commonplace, margins have diminished. Televisions, however, use large LCD panels which cost more to make but command far higher margins.

New entrants and established firms such as Motorola and Westinghouse, both of which stopped making TVs decades ago, are now piling in. So too are computer makers such as Dell and Gateway, which already sell LCD computer monitors and are attracted by the fatter margins in consumer electronics. By selling direct over the internet, rather than through high-street stores, PC makers can undercut traditional consumer-electronics firms, says Ms Patel. A 30-inch flat-panel TV from Sony costs $3,999, whereas Dell's costs $2,999.

Flat-panel TVs will account for just 3% of the 160m televisions sold this year, reckons iSuppli, rising to 8% by 2005. This is still an “early adopter” phenomenon. But as more suppliers enter the market and new factories come on stream, Ms Patel expects prices to fall by 40% over the next year. Bear that in mind before you buy.
 
welsh said:
First up Flat Screen TVs- who is planning to get one soon? Do you think they are too expensive? Why do you want one (besides the fact that they look pretty freaking cool).

I'm not in the market for a flatscreen TV, but I am planning on getting a flat panel monitor when I get a new computer later this year. That's largely a practical issue, though, since I want to be able to set my monitor away from my aging eyes a bit.

As far as flat panel TVs go...I can't see the point, at least not for me. In my current setup there'd be no advantage to having one, and I'm not interested in keeping up w/any Joneses. So while I might get one eventually when my now 11 year old AV setup is finally replaced it's not something that's even on the horizon right now.

Economist said:
...Ms Patel expects prices to fall by 40% over the next year. Bear that in mind before you buy.

That is indeed something to keep in mind. New trends are something to pay attention to only when one has cash to burn. (Which is something I do not.)

OTB
 
I kind of agree. flat screen TV's are off in the distant Future when the prices come down.

Right now I am thinking of a digital camera for my wife. Anyone have any good leads?
 
welsh said:
Right now I am thinking of a digital camera for my wife. Anyone have any good leads?

What exactly are you looking for? We're not looking at something for a professional that can save in different format like RAW, JPG, etc. that a professional would need, right? If you're looking for something just to take snapshots with, I'd say stick to some of the lower end HP models. You can pick one up for less than two C-notes and it'll likely do whatever she needs to do. If you want to go a little further, they also have some pretty affordable models that can take short home movies.

To sidetrack a bit further into digital photography, I really have to say that while I'm a bit saddened to see analogue photography going the way of the dodo, I find digital photography very liberating. No more noxious chemicals sitting in the closet if you're going to do your own darkroom work. No more waiting around until you get the pictures back to see if you got the shot right. Just point, click, and if you fuck it up you just delete it and try again. Great stuff, especially if you're willing to sit down and learn to use some image editing software in which case you can do in the privacy of your own home what was once the rarified domain of a cabal of professionals. (Not that a professional can't still out-do you, but their domain has definitely been encroached on.)

OTB
 
I have a few friends that were into photography- the whole "dark room" business. Do you think that some of the art of photography is lost by going to digital? Can you do the same things with digital that your could in a dark room?
 
welsh said:
Do you think that some of the art of photography is lost by going to digital? Can you do the same things with digital that your could in a dark room?

Yes, I'd say that some things are indeed lost w/digital vs. analog photography, just like digital sound isn't the same as it's analog counterpart.

Basically, digital photography's short-coming is that it uses algorithms to average light values and compresses that into information that is then interpreted into pixels, whereas analog photography focuses light w/o loss of information. (Neil Young criticized digital music for much the same reasons back in the late '80s.) For all of its unwieldiness and inaccesibility analog photography coupled w/a skilled person in a dark room can still render pictures which are more pleasing to the eye.

The trade-off is that digital photography is far more accesible to those of us among the "unwashed masses" that don't have the time/energy/inclination/talent to master analog photography can sit down w/our digital cameras and our copies of Photoshop and crank out things that would have taken a lot of training to do only a few years ago. (So I guess that the "digital revolution" in photography is -- to a certain extent -- on of "democratization", in a sense.)

Interestingly enough I read last year about how several universities are funding programs to further research into analog photography so that the technology and its history as a whole are better understood. They are doing this because it is a vanishing art, and this technology will soon be lost if it isn't preserved. (IIRC it was in a NY Times article, but I'm not sure.)

OTB
 
I used to be in the photographic trade, most of my skills have been replaced by graphics software that you can pick up for less than I used to earn in day.

Any one can use a modern camera, doesn't really matter if you've got a digital or film camera, instimatic or a top of the line Bronica. What a professional (good) photographer does is more about lighting and stage management (setting the scene) rather than taking the picture. Even then darkroom technicians used to say that a good picture was only in part to the photographer and mostly to the printer. There was so many little tricks we used to do that would turn a mediocre negative into a superb picture. A lot of that (and more) can be done with computers, but there is a magic in watching the picture appear in your dev tray, that you never lose no matter how many thousands of photographs you've printed.
 
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