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DarkUnderlord
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
What's the bet it's just a man in a suit? I mean think about it: Hmmm... Let's spend $5,000,000,000 building a robot that can WALK DOWNSTAIRS!!!! Or.... let's build a big heavy suit that we can shove Little Jimmy from accounting in and then get lots of publicity from having him WALK DOWNSTAIRS in the awkward suit.
Although, I do have to say that it is the 'Human Replacement Program' at Work. Ahhh.... Bring on the days of mass unemployment and robots doing all the work. Then I can spend all my spare time on my computer making Arcanum mods!! (Oh wait... I do that already...)
I wonder if it can play solataire like a receptionist? Or talk all day in that annoying chattering voice like all receptionists seem to do..... I bet it makes GREAT coffee though!
Oh... And yes, it does look a little retro. Although, it has too many smooth lines. This is the robotic european styling isn't it? Maybe they can make one that looks like Power Armour?
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Although, I do have to say that it is the 'Human Replacement Program' at Work. Ahhh.... Bring on the days of mass unemployment and robots doing all the work. Then I can spend all my spare time on my computer making Arcanum mods!! (Oh wait... I do that already...)
I wonder if it can play solataire like a receptionist? Or talk all day in that annoying chattering voice like all receptionists seem to do..... I bet it makes GREAT coffee though!
Oh... And yes, it does look a little retro. Although, it has too many smooth lines. This is the robotic european styling isn't it? Maybe they can make one that looks like Power Armour?
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>What's the bet it's just a
>man in a suit? I
>mean think about it: Hmmm...
>Let's spend $5,000,000,000 building a
>robot that can WALK DOWNSTAIRS!!!!
>Or.... let's build a big
>heavy suit that we can
>shove Little Jimmy from accounting
>in and then get lots
>of publicity from having him
>WALK DOWNSTAIRS in the awkward
>suit.
You got me thinking, for that kind of money I could PAY some dude to walk up and down stairs forever. Hell, for that kind of money I could have a *human* do everything any robot could do, hell I could have many humans do it.
You want to know what kind of robot I want? I want a floating one that follows me around, recognizes gestures for commands, and that is small enough that I can have it sneak into any place I want it to and see what it is seeing.
The only reason you should use robots is to do stuff that humans can't, either efficiency-wise, precision-wise, or just because of human abilities. Anything else is just taking away jobs.
-Xotor-
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>man in a suit? I
>mean think about it: Hmmm...
>Let's spend $5,000,000,000 building a
>robot that can WALK DOWNSTAIRS!!!!
>Or.... let's build a big
>heavy suit that we can
>shove Little Jimmy from accounting
>in and then get lots
>of publicity from having him
>WALK DOWNSTAIRS in the awkward
>suit.
You got me thinking, for that kind of money I could PAY some dude to walk up and down stairs forever. Hell, for that kind of money I could have a *human* do everything any robot could do, hell I could have many humans do it.
You want to know what kind of robot I want? I want a floating one that follows me around, recognizes gestures for commands, and that is small enough that I can have it sneak into any place I want it to and see what it is seeing.
The only reason you should use robots is to do stuff that humans can't, either efficiency-wise, precision-wise, or just because of human abilities. Anything else is just taking away jobs.
-Xotor-
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Better start checking my coin purse...
$5,000,000,000 just for robot that can walk downstairs? Jeez! A robot that can walk upstairs, now THAT'S a different story.
HappySuitcase Man
"Insert Clever/Witty Quote Here"
$5,000,000,000 just for robot that can walk downstairs? Jeez! A robot that can walk upstairs, now THAT'S a different story.
HappySuitcase Man
"Insert Clever/Witty Quote Here"
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RE: Better start checking my coin purse...
I would like it much more if they designed it like the robots in
Metal Fatigue.
I would like it much more if they designed it like the robots in
Metal Fatigue.
Starseeker
Vault Senior Citizen
RE: Better start checking my coin purse...
That is nearly impossible with current technology. Most companies will go bankrupt before they can take the project off the ground. It's still too expansive to make something exotic with robots. Why do you think we stop going to the Moon? Anyway, have you ever played Metal Gear Solid? That is probably the closest we can get to a fancy robot, but you still need someone to pilot it. A polymorphic software is diffcult enough to write, let alone trying to write certain Pre-Sentient Algorithms that are really needed to let these things run by themselves. AL is probably the way to go for the time being, because trying to write a AI that can simulate a human is still too much a pain in the rear end. There are too much variables to be account for in human behaviors. The biggest problem is the bi-pedal motion, it is very, very diffcult for the robot to emulate. I really think we should go with the insect robots. They will take off a lot better and cheaper than human like robots.
Starseeker, signing off.
"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
That is nearly impossible with current technology. Most companies will go bankrupt before they can take the project off the ground. It's still too expansive to make something exotic with robots. Why do you think we stop going to the Moon? Anyway, have you ever played Metal Gear Solid? That is probably the closest we can get to a fancy robot, but you still need someone to pilot it. A polymorphic software is diffcult enough to write, let alone trying to write certain Pre-Sentient Algorithms that are really needed to let these things run by themselves. AL is probably the way to go for the time being, because trying to write a AI that can simulate a human is still too much a pain in the rear end. There are too much variables to be account for in human behaviors. The biggest problem is the bi-pedal motion, it is very, very diffcult for the robot to emulate. I really think we should go with the insect robots. They will take off a lot better and cheaper than human like robots.
Starseeker, signing off.
"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
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RE: Better start checking my coin purse...
>$5,000,000,000 just for robot that can
>walk downstairs? Jeez!
>A robot that can walk
>upstairs, now THAT'S a different
>story.
I can make a robot go down the stairs more efficiently than that robot at a fraction of the cost. It's called a WHEEL.
The only place a walking robot would be superior to a wheeled robot is in tactical jumping and landing, everything else is just trivial. Since when is walking or running better than using a wheel?
Again: With that kind of money I could pay a person to do that.
-Xotor-
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>$5,000,000,000 just for robot that can
>walk downstairs? Jeez!
>A robot that can walk
>upstairs, now THAT'S a different
>story.
I can make a robot go down the stairs more efficiently than that robot at a fraction of the cost. It's called a WHEEL.
The only place a walking robot would be superior to a wheeled robot is in tactical jumping and landing, everything else is just trivial. Since when is walking or running better than using a wheel?
Again: With that kind of money I could pay a person to do that.
-Xotor-
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RE: Better start checking my coin purse...
>That is nearly impossible with current
>technology. Most companies will
>go bankrupt before they can
>take the project off the
>ground. It's still too
>expansive to make something exotic
>with robots. Why do
>you think we stop going
>to the Moon? Anyway,
>have you ever played Metal
>Gear Solid? That is
>probably the closest we can
>get to a fancy robot,
>but you still need someone
>to pilot it. A
>polymorphic software is diffcult enough
>to write, let alone trying
>to write certain Pre-Sentient Algorithms
>that are really needed to
>let these things run by
>themselves.
Big fan of SMAC I take it?
-Xotor-
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>That is nearly impossible with current
>technology. Most companies will
>go bankrupt before they can
>take the project off the
>ground. It's still too
>expansive to make something exotic
>with robots. Why do
>you think we stop going
>to the Moon? Anyway,
>have you ever played Metal
>Gear Solid? That is
>probably the closest we can
>get to a fancy robot,
>but you still need someone
>to pilot it. A
>polymorphic software is diffcult enough
>to write, let alone trying
>to write certain Pre-Sentient Algorithms
>that are really needed to
>let these things run by
>themselves.
Big fan of SMAC I take it?
-Xotor-
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Starseeker
Vault Senior Citizen
RE: Better start checking my coin purse...
Ahh.., a fellow SMAC fan. I am very happy to meet you. Actually the reason I used those terms is probably because I've been playing them a lot lately, and I couldn't think of a word to best describe my point. They just pop into my head like a dream. Anyway, it does make logical sense, and most of my computer science buddies told me that is where the technology is going. They are pretty sick and tired of writing something down to the dotted line for some specific tasks. That's why they are trying to create AL programs. The computer can learn by itself and take of the bug for you.
Bi-pedal motion is prefered in future robots because one particular reason. It's a lot easier to fight with it. Even if you have 4-wheel drive, there is still a lot of different type of lands very diffcult to navigate in, like a desert, a mountain range, the jungle, and so on... What do you think is easier to do? Walking and fighting at the same time, or driving and fighting at the same time? It's natural and instinctial for you to walk, so you can pay attention to shooting down the guy that is shooting at you. The only reason I brought this up is because the only guys who are crazy enough to spend this much money on a piece of hardware is the military. Just look at the "Starwars" program, I mean, need I say more?
Anyway, no matter how much armor and enhancement you can put on a man/woman, we are humans, and there is only so much we can do. That is why we got jeeps, choppers, jet fighters, tanks to do our dirty work. But, everyone who has ever learned anything about wars, is that you have to send people down there to control the land, otherwise it just means you played a expansive game of sink the battleship. So, a Bi-pedal robot that is either remote controlled or to have a man inside to navigate makes a lot more sense in future warfare, esp. engaging in urban battles that we seem to bump into a lot of these days. Like my captain used to say, "Private, some losses are not acceptable.".
Starseeker, signing off.
"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
Ahh.., a fellow SMAC fan. I am very happy to meet you. Actually the reason I used those terms is probably because I've been playing them a lot lately, and I couldn't think of a word to best describe my point. They just pop into my head like a dream.
Anyway, it does make logical sense, and most of my computer science buddies told me that is where the technology is going. They are pretty sick and tired of writing something down to the dotted line for some specific tasks. That's why they are trying to create AL programs. The computer can learn by itself and take of the bug for you. Bi-pedal motion is prefered in future robots because one particular reason. It's a lot easier to fight with it. Even if you have 4-wheel drive, there is still a lot of different type of lands very diffcult to navigate in, like a desert, a mountain range, the jungle, and so on... What do you think is easier to do? Walking and fighting at the same time, or driving and fighting at the same time? It's natural and instinctial for you to walk, so you can pay attention to shooting down the guy that is shooting at you. The only reason I brought this up is because the only guys who are crazy enough to spend this much money on a piece of hardware is the military. Just look at the "Starwars" program, I mean, need I say more?
Anyway, no matter how much armor and enhancement you can put on a man/woman, we are humans, and there is only so much we can do. That is why we got jeeps, choppers, jet fighters, tanks to do our dirty work. But, everyone who has ever learned anything about wars, is that you have to send people down there to control the land, otherwise it just means you played a expansive game of sink the battleship. So, a Bi-pedal robot that is either remote controlled or to have a man inside to navigate makes a lot more sense in future warfare, esp. engaging in urban battles that we seem to bump into a lot of these days. Like my captain used to say, "Private, some losses are not acceptable.".
Starseeker, signing off.
"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
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We've got a bigger problem now...
Uh Oh! Do people really believe that I'm as ignorant as all of my posts portray me as? Do people really take my comments seriously? C'mon folks, answer my question!
HappySuitcase Man
Stupidest Poster on NMA
Uh Oh! Do people really believe that I'm as ignorant as all of my posts portray me as? Do people really take my comments seriously? C'mon folks, answer my question!
HappySuitcase Man
Stupidest Poster on NMA
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RE: We've got a bigger problem now...
>Uh Oh! Do people really
>believe that I'm as ignorant
>as all of my posts
>portray me as? Do
>people really take my comments
>seriously? C'mon folks, answer
>my question!
If you need to ask, then you already know.
-Xotor-
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>Uh Oh! Do people really
>believe that I'm as ignorant
>as all of my posts
>portray me as? Do
>people really take my comments
>seriously? C'mon folks, answer
>my question!
If you need to ask, then you already know.
-Xotor-
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DarkUnderlord
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
RE: We've got a bigger problem now...
I presume SMAC is 'Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri'? (If it's not, I'm on another plant). Is that game any good? (I have civ 1 and 2 although civ 1 is corrupted) I always thought SMAC was just civ2 except on a different planet? Any major differences between the two? (EG: If I buy it, will it just be more civ2?)
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I presume SMAC is 'Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri'? (If it's not, I'm on another plant). Is that game any good? (I have civ 1 and 2 although civ 1 is corrupted) I always thought SMAC was just civ2 except on a different planet? Any major differences between the two? (EG: If I buy it, will it just be more civ2?)
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Starseeker
Vault Senior Citizen
RE: We've got a bigger problem now...
Well, it's slightly off topic but, let's talk about one of my favorite game. It does mean Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. SMAC is a great game, and it has gone gold. That means it sold so well that the publisher drop the price and made it a classic. It's about $20 now. If you liked Civ1 and Civ2, you'd probably love SMAC. But it is in a very different perspective, and it's one that is the most throughly reaserched game I've ever known. Sid even hired a astrophysics grad from London to do background reaserch.
Anyway, it's probably more similar to Civ3 because it's more concentrated on diplomacy, society engineering, terrain forming, and resources management. It's actually a favorite among War College and economics students. The best FAQ for the game is written by a economic major in War College. Even though resources management is the key for winning the game esp. in later diffcult settings(there are 5) or against human components, the conflicts are still usually resolved by war, because the 7 factions are only separated by ideals, such as greenpeace, industrialist, fundamentalist, and so on.., so you are bound to run into problems. Fighting is turn based, so stradegies and spying are very important. Technology is still king to a degree, but only if you can out manuever your opponent. Look, it's complicated to explain, if you want the whole scoop, look it up in reviews in Gamespot.com. My conclusion is this - it's a thinking men/women's game, and it's one of my favorite game around.
Starseeker, signing off.
"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
Well, it's slightly off topic but, let's talk about one of my favorite game.
It does mean Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. SMAC is a great game, and it has gone gold. That means it sold so well that the publisher drop the price and made it a classic. It's about $20 now. If you liked Civ1 and Civ2, you'd probably love SMAC. But it is in a very different perspective, and it's one that is the most throughly reaserched game I've ever known. Sid even hired a astrophysics grad from London to do background reaserch.Anyway, it's probably more similar to Civ3 because it's more concentrated on diplomacy, society engineering, terrain forming, and resources management. It's actually a favorite among War College and economics students. The best FAQ for the game is written by a economic major in War College. Even though resources management is the key for winning the game esp. in later diffcult settings(there are 5) or against human components, the conflicts are still usually resolved by war, because the 7 factions are only separated by ideals, such as greenpeace, industrialist, fundamentalist, and so on.., so you are bound to run into problems. Fighting is turn based, so stradegies and spying are very important. Technology is still king to a degree, but only if you can out manuever your opponent. Look, it's complicated to explain, if you want the whole scoop, look it up in reviews in Gamespot.com. My conclusion is this - it's a thinking men/women's game, and it's one of my favorite game around.
Starseeker, signing off.
"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
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RE: We've got a bigger problem now...
The game is seriously addictive. I found myself playing the game sometimes in ten hour stretches each day. I find it is really fun when I have a mountain covered with Elcheon (sp?) mirrors and solar collectors with all the energy funnelling into my main city so I have no inefficiency and with every energy, research, and economy Wonder inside that city so I receive a new tech advance every turn, or if I turn completely to money making, 3,000+ energy a turn. That's when I know I've already won.
-Xotor-
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The game is seriously addictive. I found myself playing the game sometimes in ten hour stretches each day. I find it is really fun when I have a mountain covered with Elcheon (sp?) mirrors and solar collectors with all the energy funnelling into my main city so I have no inefficiency and with every energy, research, and economy Wonder inside that city so I receive a new tech advance every turn, or if I turn completely to money making, 3,000+ energy a turn. That's when I know I've already won.
-Xotor-
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DarkUnderlord
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
RE: We've got a bigger problem now...
Sounds good. I'll make sure to pick up a copy if I see it (Maybe I'll just order it in...).
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Sounds good. I'll make sure to pick up a copy if I see it (Maybe I'll just order it in...).
DarkUnderlord
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