Horribly disappointed in Fallout Restoration Project

Discussion in 'Fallout General Modding' started by Cyberyn, Oct 27, 2016.

  1. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    Just installed Fallout 2 and The Restoration Project, only to find out that the game-breaking "dead bodies block burst shots" bug is still present.

    Well, I guess it's time to uninstall Fallout 2 and forget about it forever, as obviously no one is capable of fixing that game-breaking bug.
     
  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Huh, I don't think I ever encountered this bug... But then I rarely used burst weapons, so that might be it.
    I guess the bug is buried too deeply in the engine to fix it. Seriously annoying, maybe some modder or programmer knows more about it...
     
  3. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Jun 14, 2014
    Sfall is supposed to have an option for that. Or at least it was supposed to have it, I can't remember if it was removed for whatever reason and I haven't played the game for a while now.

    EDIT: Ok I quickly checked my Fallout 2 installation and checked the Sfall ddraw.ini and found the option:
    That fix has been in Sfall for 7 years now ;-)
     
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  4. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    It's not a bug in the sense that appears randomly, it appears every single time. Burst damage goes from average 30-50 with basic SMG to 0-5, if there is any dead body between you and the target, no matter the distance.

    It is truly astonishing how developers can so completely degrade a game from one sequel to the next, there was no such bug in Fallout 1.
     
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  5. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Oh well, I guess it was easy to fix after all :D

    /edit:
    Well, I didn't encounter it in the sense that I apparently never really used a burst weapon with a corpse in the way. Just never happened. So did @Risewild's post fix your issue?
     
  6. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    I don't know what he is talking about, and I'm not gonna scavenge internet for another half-assing attempt to fix this.

    Restoration Project was supposed to be the ultimate collection of bug fixes and content restoration, yet it failed to fix the single most game-breaking bug in the entire game. That speaks for itself.
     
  7. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Alright. I think the basic installation of the RP leaves many things as they were in the vanilla game. I guess the corpses blocking burst fire was seen as a feature? Anyway, RP should contain many SFall features, so could you check your ddraw.ini in your Fallout 2 folder for the line "CorpseLineOfFireFix=0"? I'm still at work, so I can't check my own installation right now. Try setting the value to 2, if I understood it correctly that should prevent corpses from absorbing any fire.
     
  8. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    Just checked, it was already set to 2 by default, so it obviously doesn't work.
     
  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
  10. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    Update your sfall to 3.6 or above. sfall DLLs included in both FO2 GOG/Steam release and RP 2.3.3 are older ones (3.2a and 3.3a).
    The new CorpseLineOfFireFix has simpler setting and will prevent corpses from blocking bullets completely.
     
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  11. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    I don't have any "sfall", what are you talking about?
    I have GOG Fallout 2 and RP 2.3.3, that's it.
     
  12. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    It's the ddraw.dll in your FO2 directory, also there's sfall-readme.txt with information about sfall. I guess people don't like to check their game folder for documents these days.
     
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  13. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    So, I should download this and overwrite it over the default folder?
    And that should fix it?
     
  14. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    Only overwrite the ddraw.dll.
     
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  15. Zanardi

    Zanardi First time out of the vault

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    Oct 19, 2016
    May I ask something, for curiosity? This bug is related to this "Restoration Project", or, it was a Fallout 2 bug?
     
  16. Cyberyn

    Cyberyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 27, 2016
    It was a forever broken "feature" in Fallout 2, from F2 wiki:
    all the burst weapons in Fallout 2 suffer from a bug whereby dead creatures obstruct burst fire as if they were standing up. Thus if a dead entity is located between the player and the intended target of his/her burst fire, that dead entity will block the majority of the rounds fired.​

    I'm still amazed that a game could be released in such condition, and never officially fixed.
     
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  17. Zanardi

    Zanardi First time out of the vault

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    Oct 19, 2016
    that's incredible. Neve imagined such a thing (and I've played Fallout 2 A FUCKIN LOT). But I've always prefered aimed single shot in the eyes.

    The Fallout 2 was programmed by other people, I think. The main FO1 programmer was assigned to another project.
     
  18. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    That bug never bother me because I usually play with a melee or unarmed character. But I remember being surprised that bug existed when I read on Sfall years ago that it got a fix for it. :aiee:
    @Cyberyn did the new ddraw.ini fixed it for you? :postviper:
     
  19. Zaius238

    Zaius238 Sunburn

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    Jul 14, 2007
    I can confirm it exists it's no bs, this bug happened multiple times to me, in many different playthroughs.
    Apparently there's no way to get completely rid of it, supposedly Sfall helps so give it a try I guess. I have this mod but the bug still happens, so don't get your hopes up.
    You can make the game less frustrating if you start acting like a save scummer. Save before every single fight in the game, if the bug occurs you can press load game. I also don't remember this ever happening in the first Fallout.
     
  20. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    I've tested the rewritten fix for about a dozen times with different scenario setups. Do you still have the issue with newer (3.6 or later) version of sfall?