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Supreme Court says suspects must speak up to invoke right to remain silent

12:00 AM CDT on Wednesday, June 2, 2010


FROM WIRE REPORTS The Washington Post,


WASHINGTON – In a narrowly split ruling, the Supreme Court said Tuesday that criminal suspects seeking to protect their right to remain silent must speak up to invoke it, a decision that dissenting liberal justices said turns the protections of a Miranda warning "upside down."

Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority, did not disturb Miranda's requirement that suspects be told they have the right to remain silent. But he said courts need not suppress statements made by defendants who received such warnings, did not expressly waive their rights and spoke only after remaining silent through hours of interrogation.

Elena Kagan, nominated to join the court, sided with police as U.S. solicitor general when the case came before the court.

A right to remain silent and a right to a lawyer are at the top of the warnings that police recite to suspects during arrests and interrogations. But Tuesday's majority declared that in order to stop an interrogation, suspects must break their silence and tell police they are going to remain quiet.

The 5-4 decision means that police can keep shooting questions at a suspect who refuses to talk as long as they want in hopes that the person will crack and give them some information, said Richard Friedman, a University of Michigan law professor.

"It's a little bit less restraint that the officers have to show," Friedman said.

Michigan case


The ruling came in the case of Van Chester Thompkins, a Michigan man accused of a slaying outside a mall in 2000. Arrested a year later, Thompkins was read his Miranda rights but refused to sign a form acknowledging that he understood them.

Thompkins then remained almost entirely silent during three hours of interrogation. Detectives finally asked him: "Do you pray to God to forgive you for shooting that boy down?" He answered, "Yes."

The statement was used against him, and he was convicted of murder.

The federal appeals court in Cincinnati ruled in 2008 that Thompkins' silence throughout most of the interrogation "offered a clear and unequivocal message to the officers: Thompkins did not wish to waive his rights."

But Kennedy, writing the decision for the high court's conservatives, said that simply being silent isn't enough.

"Thompkins did not say that he wanted to remain silent or that he did not want to talk to police," Kennedy said. "Had he made either of these simple, unambiguous statements, he would have invoked his right to cut off questioning. Here he did neither, so he did not invoke his right to remain silent." He was joined in the opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito , Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Prosecutors cheered the decision, saying it takes the guesswork out of when police have to stop questioning suspects. "Is it too much to ask for a criminal suspect to say he doesn't want to talk to police?" said Scott Burns of the National District Attorneys Association.

Sotomayor's dissent


Justice Sonia Sotomayor, in the sharpest dissent of her young career on the court, accused the majority of casting aside judicial restraint and creating a rule that is "a substantial retreat from the protection against compelled self-incrimination" that Miranda established more than 40 years ago.

"Today's decision turns Miranda upside down," Sotomayor wrote. "Criminal suspects must now unambiguously invoke their right to remain silent, which, counterintuitively, requires them to speak."

She was joined by Justices Stephen Breyer , Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Paul Stevens.

Supreme Court nominee Kagan had told the Supreme Court: "An unambiguous-invocation requirement for the right to remain silent and terminate questioning strikes the appropriate balance between protecting the suspect's rights and permitting valuable police investigation."

they basically clarified the "right to remain silent" in that rather than simply excercizing it, you can now INVOKE that right.

before you had the right to not say anything... by not saying anything.

they have now provided a method to invoke that right, and when invoked, they must cease questioning/interrogation.

this provides greater protection measures to the individual under suspicion.
 
Not exactly. Apparently there was a rule before that remarks made in a situation where it was clear that their initial strategy was to remain silent could not be used in court. Now they can.
 
actually sander, they clarified the invoking of the right.

you have the right to remain silent.

you excercize that right by not saying anything

you invoke that right by stating such.

if you invoke that right, then they have to stop questioning/interrogating you.


compare it to the right to legal representation.

you have the right to a lawyer.

you INVOKE that right by asking for one or asking to contact yours.

you EXERCISE that right by utilizing that lawyer.

you can forfeit that right by not asking for a lawyer, or by not using a lawyer once you have one.

you are not guaranteed the ability to automatically exercise that right. a lawyer is not automatically provided for you.

once you have a lawyer, they provide you information and let you know the legal ramifications, but you can ignore their recommendations and council if you so wish.
 
TheWesDude said:
actually sander, they clarified the invoking of the right.

you have the right to remain silent.

you excercize that right by not saying anything

you invoke that right by stating such.

if you invoke that right, then they have to stop questioning/interrogating you.


compare it to the right to legal representation.
Yes. That's what you said. That's what the article said. But you're missing my point.
This is what the article also said, and it's something you seem to be missing entirely:
"But he said courts need not suppress statements made by defendants who received such warnings, did not expressly waive their rights and spoke only after remaining silent through hours of interrogation. "

So apparently, that was the case before this law. It wasn't the case that you had to remain silent to have that right before, you were also protected if prosecutors kept harrassing you despite you clearly not wanting to talk. That's gone now.
 
no, you have the right to remain silent. you exercised that right by not saying anything.

law enforcement had to right to interrogate/question you.

what the supreme court has said is that you have to INVOKE that right.

before poliece could hold you in an interrogation room as long as they wanted of course providing you basic humane treatment

what the supreme court said is that now you can legally invoke your right to remain silent, and because you have done such, they cannot interrogate you any more.

yes, this is a fundamental change. yes this has pretty large implications for law enforcement. no, they have not re-defined it or changed it in some way to invalidate previous use ( eg: grandfathering ).
 
Yes. I know that. I'm not denying any of that.
But why are you ignoring that fundamental change? Before, people were *protected by law* if they spoke after prolonged interrogation(apparently). Now, they are not, but they have a way of preventing that interrogation.
 
err you were never protected if you chose to speak.


you were only ever protected if you chose not to speak.


they even spell that out in the miranda.

you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.


that is the miranda right. he chose to remain silent for 3 hours, and then he spoke a word. that word was then used against him in a court of law.

what happened followed exactly per the miranda.

the 3 hours of silence were not used against him. the word he spoke was used against him.
 
TheWesDude said:
err you were never protected if you chose to speak.
Then why is this sentence in the article:
" But he said courts need not suppress statements made by defendants who received such warnings, did not expressly waive their rights and spoke only after remaining silent through hours of interrogation. "

That sentence is only useful if, indeed, you were protected if you chose to speak after hours of remaining silent.
 
I find hard to believe it's landmark clarification seeing how your interpretations of status quo and status ante vary :)
 
I'm pretty sure that Sander is right but I think that it was also somewhat ambiguous (cases went both ways). Reading up the US right to remain silent makes me realize that the laws regarding it are bogus. Apparently if you ever cooperate with the police beyond giving your name and identification then you are legally required to continue cooperating and have forfeiting your forth and fifth amendment rights. This includes any cooperation that occurred before you were read your rights which you are only read after cooperating. It's also ridiculous that law enforcement is not bound to any promise (ie verbal contract, which are normally legally binding) nor are they required to tell the truth and can lie about everything and anything they want. That seems like coercive interrogation that should be illegal. Apparently in Canada, anything you say before you were read your rights are inadmissible in court, which makes a lot more sense to me.

My biggest problem with this ruling is that it's completely counter intuitive and unless the accused are explained how the right to remain silent works, most will assume the obvious which is that remaining silent is invoking that right. Personally, I believe that they should put a reasonable time limit on it which is something like, "If the accused remains silent for 5/10/15 minutes of interrogation then they are assumed to have invoked their right to remain silent." It would be a much more sensible and understandable clarification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_remain_silent#United_States
 
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