Left Wing Media, or is it Right Wing?

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Most of the information here comes from an article from M, a weekly magazine accompanying the NRC Handelsblad, a high-quality right wing Dutch newspaper.

It appears that for twenty years the media have gone from slightly left-wing, to mainly right-wing. This has happened because of several Republican institutions wanting to bring "fairness" (read: right-wingers) into the media, and due to actions to give Republicans more voice in the media.
That this has succeeded is most obvious in the success of the 'Swiftboat veterans' campaign, which was a blatant (and untrue) smear campaign aimed against John Kerry. This cost Kerry a lot of votes, while it was nothing more than a right-wing lying commercial.
Another example is that Republicans claimed that for 25 years the publishing houses published only left-wing books, and no right-wing books. This has obviously and definitely changed.

Talkradio is also a phenomenon that shows the right wing "domination". Talk radio has extremely few left-wing participants and a large amount of right-win hosts. Talkradio is about sensation, about creating an entertaining show, and it isn't journalism: it's biased "news" and "discussions". The hosts talk about their (conservative) vision of the world, and they allow the callers to serve as cannon fodder.
According to one host, Bill Handle, the show becomes conservative because of the people: "left-wingers listen to NPR, conservatives listen to the action of talk radio."

During the Nixon years the republicans wanted to create news stations that would show the truth as they saw it, and they gained the support of richh men like Joseph Coors and Richard Scaife. With them conservative thinktanks were created. Like the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise INstitute and the Hoover Institution.
But they also found their way into the mainstream media, the 24-hour cable channels needed 'talking heads', and the conservative 'experts' were always ready to give their opinions. Conservative insitution like 'Accuracy in Media' tried to force those opinions on the air if it wouldn't happen normally.
Another insitution is the Federalist-Society ( www.fed-soc.org ), which claims to study law and public policy, but is actually an organisation trying to prevent 'activism by left-wing judges' and supports the appointing of conservative judges. Almost all of the judicial appointings by Bush came from this circle.

This is what David Brock calls 'the Republican Noise Machine'. Brock's the one to know, because he worked for the media trying to proliferate the conservative message for several years. Brock turned away from these media and started a foundation to combat the conservative domination in the media, 'Media Matters For America' ( www.media-matters.org )

And then there's Rupert Murdoch, the founder of conservative media Fox News. Fox promised that they would restore fairness and objectivity in the media. Fox was shown as the objective standard, the news station without bias. But, obviously, this isn't the case.
'Outfoxed', a movie created by Robert Greenwalds, an ex-employee of Fox, shows how Fox works. According to an ex-newsreader for Fox they weren't supposed to show the news, but a point of view. In a memo of the 9th of may 2003 the directors gave the order to let the news show the appointment of ultra-conservative judges. 'Candidates who are according to both sides competent judges are blocked by the Democrats because of 'possible' viewpoints on abortion'.
Another memo said, about the 9-11 commission 'Let's not turn this into Watergate'.
And on the 6th of april the directors said 'John Kerry's speech at Georgetown University about the economy will probably be about Iraq as well. Let's see whether he has anything new to say in the first ten minutes and then switch to more important news. We don't have to show the entire speech.'
By watching for hours on end Outfoxed was able to show the methods of Fox. Host Bill O'Reilly denied having said 'Shut up' to a guest who countered him before, but the film shows nine other recent pieces of film where Billl does exactly that.
Another method is to show a conservative opinion with a news article by saying 'Some people think that...', the movie shows 25 examples of this.
A typical Fox-conversation is hosted by a conservative host with a strong right-wing guest and a weak guest from the centre. The guest is then forced into the left-wing corner where he doesn't belong.

An alternative is a show like 'Hannity and Colmes', where an all-American conservative is assisted by a poorly-cut Democrat looking as if he comes from the buying-department. That's why Murdoch can claim in front of a congressional commission that they provide diversity within their shows.
A media study-group which doesn't just watch Fox (FAIR: Fairness and Accuray In Reporting) watched 'Special Report with Brit Hume' on Fox for 19 weeks. 65(71%) out of 92 guests were conservative, the others Republicans Democrats and non-affiliated. At CNN's 'Wolf Blitzer reports' there were 57% Republicans and 43% Democrats.

O'Reilly is what Fox claims to be. In the prelude to the war in Iraq he said "Trust 'The O'Reilly Factor' for the truth about the upcoming war in Iraq, we don't have any ideological prejudices'.
But he also said 'We consider anyone who doesn't agree with the government's plans to be an enemy of the state'
Eric Alterman, author of the book 'What Liberal Media', writes about these things: "Fox scares, and when soemthing really dangerous happens, they freak out, just like the Bush administration wants."
Even the Fox's competition, CNN and MSNBC, get scared. Fox is constantly gaining viewers, while the other two lose.
Looking back at the early phase of the Iraq war, CNN's reporter Christiane Amanpour claims: 'My station was intimidated by the government and Fox News. The consequence was fear and self-censorship.'
Fairness and Accuracy in the Media has shown that 33% of the Fox viewers believes that Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found, while 11 percent of public radio and television viewers and listeners thought so.
67% of the Fox audience thought that Iraq and Al-Qaeda were cooperating for 9/11 while 16 percent of public media audience thinks so.

Jim Fallows is the editor of the Atlantic Monthly and a reporter with years of experience. According to him the bias of the media has changed because it's being run with an eye for the market, they need to make as much money as possible, and they then fail to report accurately.
Mass-information has, according to him, become much less serious. Lots of hurricanes and O.J. Simpsons, and added to that the conservative agit-prop media which took over when the mainstream-media started to take their job less seriously.
According to Fallows there never was a left-wing bias, perhaps a lot of journalists were somewhat left of centre on certain issues, but there was no deliberate liberal bias.
 
I never thought I would see the day when USA has less freedom and objectivity in media than Croatia. Your Fox News is now more radical than HTV (our national television) was in the Tudjman era (when it was state-controlled and extremely biased). In your vaunted war on terrorism you sacrificed free thought. And yet you still cower in fear from various threats, real and imaginary, your media bombards you with 24 hours a day. That, my American friends, is the direst effect of the 9/11 attacks. Not loss of life or economic damage, but loss of your democratic awareness.
 
Ratty said:
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That, my American friends, is the direst effect of the 9/11 attacks. Not loss of life or economic damage, but loss of your democratic awareness.

...seems like the terrorits have reached their goal :roll:
 
Ratty said:
I never thought I would see the day when USA has less freedom and objectivity in media than Croatia. Your Fox News is now more radical than HTV (our national television) was in the Tudjman era (when it was state-controlled and extremely biased). In your vaunted war on terrorism you sacrificed free thought. And yet you still cower in fear from various threats, real and imaginary, your media bombards you with 24 hours a day. That, my American friends, is the direst effect of the 9/11 attacks. Not loss of life or economic damage, but loss of your democratic awareness.

I find it amazing and troublesome that you non-Americans (I presume you are not American) know the truth better than most Americans. Great post.

BTW.... I am not being sarcastic.
 
We still have a choice as to what we watch, and the majority of us aren't ignorant as to what is biased and what it not. The news media in the US is just like any other television programming, aiming to cater to the tastes of a certain demograph.

ps. I never watch news tv, listen to radio, or read newspapers anymore, unless they are local newspapers. And even then, I only will read about local sports and events. My world news I get from various online sources. The internet is making these other newssources obsolete, and exposing their bias.
 
Meh. Media's biased anywhere. I've never seen a TV station that wasn't biased in some way; yet of course some are more biased then others.

Getting the information you want out of even the most biased of sources is a trick in itself. In the studies I'm following it's actually a full-blown, ten-hours-a-week course. And frankly, I believe this course should be given to all members of society, wether or not in reduced form.

In these times of "perfect information", critical thinking has become more important then ever. Complaining about the bias of the sources is futile, as all media has always been biased. Actually, it's less worse today than it was in the near or -especially- distant past.

It's up to you to know what to believe and what not. Of course, only the people who WANT to believe what sources like Fox news bring will use those sources.
 
Nicely said Ratty.

Freedom means taking the risk that people will abuse those freedoms to hurt you. But living in a democracy also means that the value of freedom is worth those risks.

The war against terrorism is a war against fear, and those that would use fear to control or change us. Yet the irony is that it is the president and the media that also use fear for their own purposes.
 
Meh. Media's biased anywhere. I've never seen a TV station that wasn't biased in some way; yet of course some are more biased then others.

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In these times of "perfect information", critical thinking has become more important then ever. Complaining about the bias of the sources is futile, as all media has always been biased. Actually, it's less worse today than it was in the near or -especially- distant past.
Ugh. Please, Jebus, at least read carefully what is said. Really, I know for a fact that the Dutch and Belgian news stations are in no way comparable to the American ones, especially, when it comes to bias. Thinking that the bias spoken about in this article is normal is foolish, because this is much more extreme than what you might find in some news sources here.
 
That's probably because the Dutch and Belgian governments have no world stances for the news stations to base a bias off of.

Not to mention, that its not the US news programs that are the really biased ones...it's the programs like talkshows. If people watch talkshows or listen to talk radio for their news, then those people are just stupid to begin with.
 
welsh said:
The war against terrorism is a war against fear, and those that would use fear to control or change us. Yet the irony is that it is the president and the media that also use fear for their own purposes.
I would say that, by definition, that makes your government a terrorist government. :lol:

Well, assuming that "terrorism" can be loosely defined as "using fear to influence people's decisions.". This differs somewhat from the dictionary definition, but I think it's a pretty good practical definition.
 
That's probably because the Dutch and Belgian governments have no world stances for the news stations to base a bias off of.
Now that's just dumb. How can a government not have a stance? Tsch.

Not to mention, that its not the US news programs that are the really biased ones...it's the programs like talkshows. If people watch talkshows or listen to talk radio for their news, then those people are just stupid to begin with.
Research has shown that a third of the US population frequently rely on talkradio for news.

Also, Fox is biased as hell, and as I've shown in the text, which you should've known since you should've read it before you posted, the combination of the US government and Fox intimidation makes other news stations, CNN is shown as an example, more biased.
 
I know Fox is biased. Just because they blatantly lie on television doesn't mean that the news programs on CNN are going to become biased. What happens is the talkshows on CNN are going to become more biased in response, and oftentimes, they become biased against the stances that Fox takes.

And as for the Belgian and Dutch governments...when was the last time they did something radical in the global arena? It's the extremes that cause biases to be formed. No one is going to form a bias based on a governmental attitude that's either strictly in the middle or on one that doesn't vocalize at all.
 
I know Fox is biased. Just because they blatantly lie on television doesn't mean that the news programs on CNN are going to become biased. What happens is the talkshows on CNN are going to become more biased in response, and oftentimes, they become biased against the stances that Fox takes.
I feel like crying. What are you, bloody blind? I said:
"Also, Fox is biased as hell, and as I've shown in the text, which you should've known since you should've read it before you posted, the combination of the US government and Fox intimidation makes other news stations, CNN is shown as an example, more biased." and you then asnwer with something that shows you REALLY haven't read what I said. Please, KoC, do NOT respond until you've READ what I've said both in the inital text and that text, and before you are sure that you understand what I've said.

And as for the Belgian and Dutch governments...when was the last time they did something radical in the global arena? It's the extremes that cause biases to be formed. No one is going to form a bias based on a governmental attitude that's either strictly in the middle or on one that doesn't vocalize at all.
Ugh. If stuff like this continues to happen I think I'm going to have to give up hope in mankinds ability to read and research. Really, I LIVE here, and our governments have enough radical stances for any news source to become biased by them, and whether or not they are active on a global scale is completely irrelevant to the point of biased news sources, since those news sources aren't active on a global but on a local scale.
What's a more likely reason is that the electoral system hasn't split the opinions and party's of the people intwine, but rather have created a lot of different groups. We used to have extremely biased news here, because we used to have a society which was completely splintered, where people kept with their own kinds of people and had their own tv stations for their own group. But that situation dissappeared in the '60s, and since then the news stations haven't had any (clear) political bias. Obviously it's impossible for a news source to be completely unbiased, but it is far from clear or even detectable here.
 
Sander said:
Ugh. Please, Jebus, at least read carefully what is said.

Well, I think I won't be the only one if I say that this little routine of yours is quite irritating.

If, according to you, most people continue to fail to grasp the meaning of your posts, then it might very well be that not the intellectual or alphabetical capacities of the readers are at fault, but there is a problem with your typing skills and the way you might phrase your opinions. Of course, you might also believe that your intelligence is simply vastly greater than other living beings; which I actually do not doubt you do believe.

Also, this is quite ironical, because

Sander said:
Really, I know for a fact that the Dutch and Belgian news stations are in no way comparable to the American ones, especially, when it comes to bias. Thinking that the bias spoken about in this article is normal is foolish, because this is much more extreme than what you might find in some news sources here.

You seem to have failed to read what I wrote.

Yes, some sources are more biased than others. No shit, Sherlock, I am completely aware of that. Actually;

Jebus said:
I've never seen a TV station that wasn't biased in some way; yet of course some are more biased then others.

That's exactly what I wrote. Also, I am aware that Fox Network is more openly biased than Belgian networks. Never in my post have I denied that.

Yet, this is a very natural phenomenon. Every news agency is biased. Simply because every reporter always has a personal bias toward one of the involved parties, albeit subconsciously. This bias may manifest itself in small, apparently harmless ways, and may also become blatantly clear like in the case of Fox network.

Yet, there is no inherently great problem with that. Simply because a certain target audience will read and believe these biased sources, simply because they are biased in the same way and want to believe these sources. If one, for instance, has a subscription to a Neo-Nazi magazine, then the risk for this subscriber to suddenly turn Neo-Nazi from reading this magazine is fairly low, since the subscriber was probably Neo-Nazi already before he took the subscription.

Of course, a lot of people may find this bias a regrettable business, because they are biased the other way or believe in the dream of journalistical objectivity. That is a perfectly natural thing to do. Remember, though, that bias has always existed in the media, and is now actually substantially lower then in, say, the Cold War Era.

As I said before, the only defense toward biased media is a critical mind. If you lack this, you will always be indoctrinated, wether it be for a 'good' or 'bad' cause in your eyes.
 
welsh said:
The war against terrorism is a war against fear, and those that would use fear to control or change us. Yet the irony is that it is the president and the media that also use fear for their own purposes.
I find the following very interesting.
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"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
- Franklin Delanor Roosevelt
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"If we make the wrong choice [by not voting for Bush], then the danger is that we'll get hit again -- that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

"And then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us."

- Richard Cheney
 
Right Ratty, we're forced to watch Fox News every day. It is shoved down our throats. Every channel on "American" televisions is nothing but Fox and it's affiliates. Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! The only place this happens is in the US! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!
 
Paladin Solo said:
Right Ratty, we're forced to watch Fox News every day. It is shoved down our throats. Every channel on "American" televisions is nothing but Fox and it's affiliates. Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! The only place this happens is in the US! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!
Really?
We must end this injustice!
Free America!

:roll:

It may not be shoved down your throats, but it does have an effect on your culture and your politics.
 
Big_T_UK said:
It may not be shoved down your throats, but it does have an effect on your culture and your politics.

Which brings us further off topic, to the debate of:
Does the media have a responsibility t obe honest towards the public, or atleast to not outright lie to them? Or are they merely a buisiness, trying to grub a buck?
 
This topic strikes me as something of a liberal circle jerk, I just had to point out how goddamn fucking stupid this one thing is.

I never thought I would see the day when USA has less freedom and objectivity in media than Croatia
You won't

Your Fox News is now more radical than HTV (our national television) was in the Tudjman era (when it was state-controlled and extremely biased).
Fox News has no ties to American government, biggest diffirence. The only reason you say that is because it is conservative, but during the Clinton era they made up so much shit about Clinton & Fuckbuddies that I took it as a joke.



In your vaunted war on terrorism you sacrificed free thought
Go tell that to Art Speilgman, I'm sure you'd find the fact that he got In The Shadow of No Towers published despite it's stance on Bush.

You're acting like an idiot Ratty, America has gone to the right because of 9/11, but this is just bullshit.[/quote]


nd yet you still cower in fear from various threats, real and imaginary, your media bombards you with 24 hours a day.
Media I listen to and watch calls Bush at best a McGovern, and in Esquire as bad as Hitler. You either don't watch American media, which I don't think you do, or you're not looking at the same stuff I am.

That, my American friends, is the direst effect of the 9/11 attacks. Not loss of life or economic damage, but loss of your democratic awareness.
So tell me why my subscirption to The New Yorker is still coming, why just the other fucking day the headline in the Chicago Tribune was PARTS OF HOMELAND SECURITY ACTS RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and more then half of my friends will turn out at the polls for Kerry
 
Well, I think I won't be the only one if I say that this little routine of yours is quite irritating.

If, according to you, most people continue to fail to grasp the meaning of your posts, then it might very well be that not the intellectual or alphabetical capacities of the readers are at fault, but there is a problem with your typing skills and the way you might phrase your opinions. Of course, you might also believe that your intelligence is simply vastly greater than other living beings; which I actually do not doubt you do believe.

Also, this is quite ironical, because
Oh, really? Well, excuse me, Jebus, but if I were to shove what I've said down people's throat I still think they wouldn't notice it. Whether or not you find it annoying isn't my problem, whether or not you're responding to me without actually reading what I've said is. Go back, look at KoC's posts, and tell me that he's really read what I've said, because he either hasn't, or just plain ignored it.

You seem to have failed to read what I wrote.

Yes, some sources are more biased than others. No shit, Sherlock, I am completely aware of that. Actually;
No, I didn't, Jebus. You said that you hadn't ever seen a TV station without bias, but you blatantly dismiss the level of difference in bias with a small remark about not every station having the same level of bias. So what do I do? I respond to that saying that the bias of the Dutch and Belgian stations are incomparable to the American bias.
And, in fact, you continue to compare them. Please, Jebus, note that throughout the entire article and my posts I've stressed that the American talk radio's and news stations like Fox are incomparable to any media you have here, because they barely exercise a thing called reporting, they just bring news they want to be news and ignore the rest.

That's exactly what I wrote. Also, I am aware that Fox Network is more openly biased than Belgian networks. Never in my post have I denied that.

Yet, this is a very natural phenomenon. Every news agency is biased. Simply because every reporter always has a personal bias toward one of the involved parties, albeit subconsciously. This bias may manifest itself in small, apparently harmless ways, and may also become blatantly clear like in the case of Fox network.
Which is what I just said in a post above yours. D'oh!

Yet, there is no inherently great problem with that. Simply because a certain target audience will read and believe these biased sources, simply because they are biased in the same way and want to believe these sources. If one, for instance, has a subscription to a Neo-Nazi magazine, then the risk for this subscriber to suddenly turn Neo-Nazi from reading this magazine is fairly low, since the subscriber was probably Neo-Nazi already before he took the subscription.
Now here you make a huge mistake. YOu need to look at the demographics of the USA to decide whether it isn't a risk or not, and, as I just said, one third of the US population frequently relies on talk radio for its news. Add to that the fact that no single talk radio show comes even remotely close to anything to do with reporting, that's one big problem you've got right there.

Might I add that the swiftboat veterans for truth campaign, though a blatant lie, almost ruined John Kerry's campaign, solely because someone got the idea to lie about Kerry's military past. Now talk about harmless media again...


Of course, a lot of people may find this bias a regrettable business, because they are biased the other way or believe in the dream of journalistical objectivity. That is a perfectly natural thing to do. Remember, though, that bias has always existed in the media, and is now actually substantially lower then in, say, the Cold War Era.

As I said before, the only defense toward biased media is a critical mind. If you lack this, you will always be indoctrinated, wether it be for a 'good' or 'bad' cause in your eyes.
Really, Jebus, how many people have this critical mind? 1/1000 of the population? Most will just blatantly assume anything they hear, and this IS a bad thing.
 
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