Let's have a bird in the game

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I have been doing some research to find a plane that suits even those strict needs for one of your Admins, Rosh... And few other members in this board that i will not mention.

Blackbird
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It was destined to become techologically most advanced and it's power would be crushing compared to others. It was thought to skip generation ahead russians, climb up eight kilometers higher than other planes and to fly 60% faster than previous jet-planes. Also it would be almost invisible to radar.

Project was started in 1958 by Lockheed Aircraft Company and with it's own genious Kelly Johnson. Locheed factory was(is?) located in California, Burbank.

Needed technology for such plane was so advanced that it would be the same if they were planning shuttle transportation to outer planets.

Most of the regular plane materials turned to be useless and obsolete. Even the basic aluminum structure was useless 'cause it loses it's hardness when going over 150 celsius. Heat in cockpit windshield could rise to 330 celsius and in some wing structures to 430 celsius. In that you could melt lead.

Project was really activated in 59', and scientist were figuring out what material would be best to use... Titan! Titan is just as strong as stainless steel, but half as light. It can withstand very high heat and pressure. Directing cables were made of metal that was originally ment to be clock springs. Electrical switches were golded because it keeps it's capabilities at high heat better than silver or copper. Plane was painted black because it releases heat more efficiently. It's outer hull material was made of radar non-reflecting material. Plane's head was spreaded out a bit so it looked like cobra's head, because it decreased planes radar profile. It was worlds first Stealth plane.

Engines were only ready parts for the plane that they used. They were modifications of two jet-turbines that were designed to fly twice the speed of sound. Each of those engines supplied power as much as Queen Mary's four great turbines together. Motors would push the plane forward at least one kilometer per second.

When the prototype rolled out from the hangar, it had a name: Blackbird. 34 meters long and it weighted 27 tonns. It was beuty and a beast.

When they first time tried to test the engines in 62', they didn't start. Oil that was designed to hot temperatures freezed almost solid when temperature was less than 30 celsius. So they installed two seven-liters racing car engines as ignite motors, that both supplied power of 500 horsepower.

Blackbird had it's first flight in 1962 in base wich location is still classified.

Pilot Jim Watkin described it as: "Almost religious experience".
"Most frightening experience was that when i moved from bright daylight to full darkness, that seemed to cover half of the continent".

Public announcment from president johnson in 64 released blackbird to military use.
Blackbirds were used 24 years, they flew 3551 combat flights in vietnam, about two hundred SA-2 anti-air missiles were launched against it, none hit and in most cases crew didn't even notice that plane was under fire.

It was mostly used in reckon flights.

(Altough this plane isn't pure retro because it did actually happen, it was tehcnologically so advanced it could happen today, a future plane from the past)

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Here are some issues: (don't laugh, they are merely a lure to have you think up better ideas)

* Having a plane in the game would probably give some more playing room. Other parts of world would become avaible: Canada, Alaska, Southern parts of America... Hell, maybe even forgotten lands across Atlantic! But if programmers are in lazy mood, it would only speed up movement.

* You will probably ask: "Where will it take off and land?". Whole US is covered with asphalt, major part of them might be in pretty bad shape, but some would work as a runway. Also, i don't think that all Airports were completely destroyed either. As long as the asphalt isn't cracked up too bad, you can land on it.

You must still have some confirmation that there is a runway to land on. You can't possibly notice anything under you when you are moving 1km/s. This would be handled by checing the site first on foot(slow), or having somekind of map that gives off landing locations.

* How would you fly then? You couldn't possibly have anykind of previous experiences? By autopilot of course! Reading the flight-manual would give enough information of safe landing, takeoff and setting course to autopilot.

* Where would you find the plane then? From California, of course. Sitting in the hangar in perfect shape. Or maybe from special encounter? Or maybe it would be a quest: Repair it's engines, get fuel and then buy it from smitty.

And good luck to you writing those replies...

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*sigh*

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Dec-25-00 AT 06:30PM (GMT)[p]Aside from the rather unlikely possibility of a US Air Firce Base being intact from a nuclear strike.... (They are first-priority targets in any war along with production facilities and silos, then comes the army and research/training facilities)

That would definitely be interesting. Particularly where the Vault Dweller/Tribal/(Insert New Character Here) pulls out the YEARS of flight experience required to even take-off in an SR-71, right out of their ass.

Yes, just jump into the cockpit and take off.

Oh, but to curtail your retort...

The manual for said plane is about a foot thick, and it's not like a car instruction manual. It takes about 6 months of training alone to merely learn the flight controls. The labeling isn't too easily understood by anyone without training, and I highly doubt there's going to be an instruction manual under the seat.

The autopilot for the Blackbird is only for point to point, not take off and landing - that's still done by hand, because it's nigh impossible for a computer to land a plane successfully. And that's taking all planes into account, much less the SR-71.

Oh, and another thing, something you probably didn't know about, but I did from someone who flew in one of them: They cannot go for more than 30 years unmaintained (est.) or else it would be impossible for them to fly. The seals around most of the coolant structures need to be replaced often, and deteriorate quickly due to their rather unique structure. They had to be replaced every other flight, and they are specially manufactured.

Do you even have any idea how long the runway has to be for these planes? And they wouldn't be able to land on any piece of road, or even most runways (the runway has to be level and free from cracks - landing them has been attributed to landing a flying bathtub full of water). They have to use the elongated runways that most cargo jets have to use, often MUCH longer than commercial airports. Plus, another thing you didn't take into account, is that runways deteriorate FAST. I know of runways that are over 20 years old, and unmaintained, that are cracked and grown through, even in desert conditions. Now think of the possibility of an airport to make it through nuclear war and not get hit as a strategic target and also to stay maintained in a high-frequency earthquake zone, yet undiscovered. Let me ask you this. Did you notice ANY roads in either Fallout? Just for some of the cities, perhaps.

So this brings up:

Why do you think vertibirds were chosen for the Enclave?
 
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also what about fuel? isnt it a special blend(of 11 herbs and spice) of petro? where would you get this? why not come up with something like stealing a hummer or tank?
 
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I *was* going to mention that it's a very special form of jet fuel that wouldn't work after sitting 150+ years (car gas tend to go funky after around 10 years), much less be able to be made in the wasteland, but I thought "Nah, that'd be overkill".

Much less mention about the wheels or any of the support structure surviving that long without maintenance....
 
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Of course, nothing like that stopped them from including a car in the second game, or many prewar structures.
 
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However the car ran on different principles, and was a different beast entirely than trying to stick in an SR-71.
 
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I'm not saying they should put the plane in, I'm merely pointing out that technical aspects have never been too important to the game designers. After all, how likely is that prewar cars and buildings would still be around 150 years after a nuclear war, regardless of whether or not they were sturdier than an airplane?
 
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>I'm not saying they should put
>the plane in, I'm merely
>pointing out that technical aspects
>have never been too important
>to the game designers.
>After all, how likely is
>that prewar cars and buildings
>would still be around 150
>years after a nuclear war,
>regardless of whether or not
>they were sturdier than an
>airplane?


However an airplane that is more high-maintenance than an entire wing of F-14's and would be at least twice as old as the car? The car is at least feasable, using the power cells and such. The wheels could have been made from something entirely other than rubber. Someone out in the sticks would definitely have a car, and even in nucear war, the whole landscape wouldn't be completely carpet-bombed.
 
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I see what you're saying. However, following your own logic, someone could easily say that an airplane survived the war, too. Since I'd hate to see a usable airplane in FO3, I dislike that whole train of thought.
 
I have a question for you: Where would you get the fuel? It isn't like you can pull into your local gas station an fill up. Blackbirds, like all high-tech jets, require *lots* of fuel (expensive fuel mind you), and specifically engineered fuels.

SR-71 Blackbirds are designed to fly over mach 3, and you expect to find fuel for this jet?

And why would you need such a jet? To fly to Europe? You're not going to fly around northern California in a jet that goes so fast it can shatter windows.

Rosh brought up a good point: Where would you land? Spy planes like the SR-71 are made to fly in criss-crossing runs over the site needed to be surveyed. Usually they're one-way trips in a straight line over the target, other times they just land at the same airport.

A crop duster or some low-tech plane would be more realistic.

-Xotor-

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>I see what you're saying.
>However, following your own logic,
>someone could easily say that
>an airplane survived the war,
>too. Since I'd hate
>to see a usable airplane
>in FO3, I dislike that
>whole train of thought.

Well a crop duster or other low-tech, low maintainence planes could be feasible, especially in farmhouses which wouldn't be targetted in the war, but an SR-71 Blackbird? It's like finding a pristine-condition Apache helicopter, it just doesn't happen.

-Xotor-

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For the love of God

I didn't say that that particular plane would be included. I'm merely pointing out that following Rosh's logic it would be possible to include in airplane.
 
BLAAHH!! ana3 are you finnish?!

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What if you included the SR-71 (or another piece of hi-tech weaponry) differently? Maybe instead of trying to fly the damn thing (no chance in hell, by the way) you needed to get a part from it or something for some quest. That would be the only way I could ever see it being included and even that would be a hell of a lot more than a longshot.
 
hehe you forgot something in your cronology you forgot to mention the project was cancled during the middle to work on the Aurora... othere than that

NO BLACKBIRD thank you its a sweet jet but to fragile to survive any sort of nuclear attack...
 
I believe everyone's ignoring the most obvious problem with the bird, and that is that it must be refueled immediately after takeoff for any long-range flying whatsoever, as due to heat expansion the plane is built with gaps all over, and fuel leaks out.
 
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