Martian gases pose question of life

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Martian gases pose life question
An Italian scientist working on the Mars Express probe says gases detected in the planet's atmosphere may indicate life exists on the Red Planet today.

Vittorio Formisano told a Dutch space conference methane and formaldehyde could signify biological activity.

But the cautious professor, from the Institute of Interplanetary Space Physics in Rome, said only soil analysis on the planet could prove it.

Confirmation came through hard data, not "fantasy", he told BBC News.

"[My observations] should not be taken as a statement that there is life on Mars today, because we need to go there, to drill the soil, take samples, and analyse them before possibly concluding that life is there," Professor Formisano said.

Possible sources

The researcher is principal investigator on the Mars Express Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS).

The instrument is designed to determine the composition of the Martian atmosphere, and was able to confirm the presence in the Martian "air" last March of small quantities of methane.

The observation is fascinating because the gas is short-lived; it is broken down by sunlight, and should not be detectable unless it is being constantly replenished in some way.

The conservative view is that the source is geological - volcanic processes may be producing the gas, although active signs of this have yet to be observed. There may also be large reserves in the Martian soil of ancient methane-ice, so-called clathrates, which are slowly melting and releasing the gas into the atmosphere.

But there is also the theory that microbes are responsible. Some micro-organisms on Earth, known as methanogens, produce methane as a waste product and a number of scientists argue similar lifeforms could exist on the Red Planet, too.

Overlapping areas

Professor Formisano expressed his views on the subject at the European Space Agency's Mars Express Science Conference in Noordwijk.

He said that if the methane was considered in isolation, it appeared too small a source to be biogenic in origin.

"If you consider only methane which is observed in the Martian atmosphere, it would be 150 tonnes a year; if you consider formaldehyde then you have 2.5 million tonnes [of methane] per year, which is much more," he said.

"And the correlation indicates the sources are in the soil, underground."

PFS data shows that the highest concentrations of methane overlap with the areas where water vapour and underground water-ice are also concentrated.

Recent events

One of these areas includes the equatorial Elysium region, where Mars Express scientists think they may have seen pack ice covered by a thin "lag" of dust and volcanic ash.

The researchers told the meeting earlier this week that a vast upwelling of water could have broken through a series of fractures known as the Cerberus Fossae, flooding an area about 800km by 900km, to a depth of about 45m.

And this was probably a very recent event, said Professor John Murray, from the Open University, UK.

"This was around five million years [ago]. That may sound old but in geological terms that is yesterday," he told BBC News.

"We know that these eruptions have occurred throughout Mars' geological history. The fact that they occurred just five million years ago essentially tells us we have vast reservoirs of liquid water beneath the surface today.

"Therefore, if life can develop that is where you are going to find it."

A paper detailing the pack ice discovery will appear next month in the prestigious scientific journal Nature. A paper discussing formaldehyde was submitted to Nature by Professor Formisano but was rejected by "one referee out of three", the Rome scientist said.

And some researchers point out that the area of the spectrum in which formaldehyde appears in the PFS data coincides with an area of significant interference from solar radiation.

A related topic posted earlier at DAC by Fez.

Mars pictures reveal frozen sea
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To be perfectly honest, I think they are assuming too much.

Firstly, that the geology of Mars is the same as Earth - that gases being formed could not be some other previously unthought of reaction. (Not in itself a bad assumption - geology is not that likely to be completely different, to my mind). Also, to be fair to them, they do consider other sources of methane/formaldehyde - it's just that "Life on Mars!" grabs more headlines than "Possible frozen Methane deposits on Mars!".

Secondly, that any Martian life would have a similar biology to "Terran" life. There is a distinct lack of evidence to support this.
"We know that these eruptions have occurred throughout Mars' geological history. The fact that they occurred just five million years ago essentially tells us we have vast reservoirs of liquid water beneath the surface today.
"Therefore, if life can develop that is where you are going to find it."
Any (theoretical) Martian life does not, necessarily, depend on water like we do.

I'm mostly indifferent to the idea of life on Mars. If it was anything substantial we would have probably observed it by now. Micro organisms on Mars are unlikely to have a great impact on my life.

Also, for some reason, I am reminded of an episode of The Outer Limits (or something of that ilk) where they brought back killer ant-like creatures from Mars.
 
They've already considered the possibility of it being due to a geological or chemical reaction, or that life may function slightly differently Big T. They are not amateurs, I'm sure that they won't all smack their foreheads and shout "OF COURSE! HOW SILLY OF US!" when they see your post. They're simply excited and the news reports are going to reflect that. Give them a break, it's not like they get much worth getting excited over normally.

They are plan to investigate and obtain proof, we'll see by then how if goes.
 
Depends on your definition of "life".
Single-cell organisms maybe, and if any organisms with a cell core exist, maybe virusses (which fit my definition of "living" even though biologists think different), but I doubt any possible evolution on that rock ever got that far.

From my understanding Mars never met the requirements (long enough) for chemical reactions to result in anything we'd call alive, tho, so I don't think they'll find anything interesting.
 
I said:
Also, to be fair to them, they do consider other sources of methane/formaldehyde - it's just that "Life on Mars!" grabs more headlines than "Possible frozen Methane deposits on Mars!".
Fez said:
They've already considered the possibility of it being due to a geological or chemical reaction

I wasn't really tallking about the scientists working on it, just their press department and the news agencies.
 
Fair enough then, but you had to expect the hype machine from a press department. Especially now they will be trying to gather funding for a new probe.
 
Fez said:
Fair enough then, but you had to expect the hype machine from a press department. Especially now they will be trying to gather funding for a new probe.
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I said:
it's just that "Life on Mars!" grabs more headlines than "Possible frozen Methane deposits on Mars!"
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I love this kind of stuff. Space has always interested me.

The headline is definately hype, though i believe scientists strive to find any form of life, not matter how small, to prove once and for all that it is indeed possible that life exists on someplace besides the Earth.

Most people agree that if there is life on Earth, then there must be life someplace else in the universe, but to find proof would be a joyous day for any scientist.

Secondly, that any Martian life would have a similar biology to "Terran" life. There is a distinct lack of evidence to support this.

I agree. In my opinion its possible that life on another planet, or even a lifeform that lives in space itself, doesn't have to be carbon based, or have been formed in any way that we believe life formed on Earth. Perhaps these possible forms of life have no reliance on water or oxygen?

I think its hard to imagine that life formed any other way. Hell, in my opinion life on Earth is still somewhat of a mystery.
 
mettalhed said:
I love this kind of stuff. Space has always interested me.

The headline is definately hype, though i believe scientists strive to find any form of life, not matter how small, to prove once and for all that it is indeed possible that life exists on someplace besides the Earth.

Most people agree that if there is life on Earth, then there must be life someplace else in the universe, but to find proof would be a joyous day for any scientist.

Secondly, that any Martian life would have a similar biology to "Terran" life. There is a distinct lack of evidence to support this.

I agree. In my opinion its possible that life on another planet, or even a lifeform that lives in space itself, doesn't have to be carbon based, or have been formed in any way that we believe life formed on Earth. Perhaps these possible forms of life have no reliance on water or oxygen?

I think its hard to imagine that life formed any other way. Hell, in my opinion life on Earth is still somewhat of a mystery.

Heh it really is still a mystery. IF you are interested more in Mars you should check out pbs.com. I have purchased several hundred dollars worth of dvd's from them so far. Mars being one on the top of my list.
The more functional rover has found salt-water traces and some single celled organism if memory serves me correctly. Italian researchers have also located a meteorite that is from Mars as well. That rock had very interesting organisms that were resistant to heat temperatures of several thousand degrees centigrade. However they could have been space organisms for all they know.
Cooherant? I hope so, time for some sleep... I actually get tomorrow off from work!
 
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