[MOD] AK-97 Assault Rifle

I really like the looks of it, nice work. Though the wooden elements could be a bit darker, it still fits the game pretty nice.

Shame I won't be playing the game anymore, tho'.
 
Well, if you use drum instead of a clip, it should have 75 rounds per drum, not 30. There is not point in having a drum otherwise.
 
Balor said:
Well, if you use drum instead of a clip, it should have 75 rounds per drum, not 30. There is not point in having a drum otherwise.

The drum does hold 75 rounds. The "Description" is straight from the old Wasteland manual, I didn't change that. But if you read further under the "Details" then you'll see it actually holds 75 rounds of ammo.

Not only that, but if you look at the reloading screenshot, you'll see that the AK holds 75 rounds.

Attention to detail... attention to detail.... :twisted:
 
No, it's description of the mod conflicting with 'details'.
I guess you should have noted that description comes from Wasteland, not actual description of the mod itself.

However, while it MAY be somehow theoretically possible to rechamber the it to .308 round, and use appropriate ammo clips, the drum was created using very specific - 7.62x39 round. There are no 7.62 NATO rounds in existance that I know of... and if they do, I highly doubt that they look like this.

If you don't want to make your own ammo type - I saw a 'master ammo pluging' that incorporates most common ammo types - you can use it, and for added benefit that it will be compatible with other mods that will also add similar ammo types (Soviet 7.62 AK rounds).
 
there is the nato 7,62x41 nato round that was used in FN FAL, and is used in some sniper rifles.

Well, ALL rifles should be either 5mm, or .308/.223 as the description of Fallouts sniper rifle says that it was rechambered to .223. Also, pipe rifles would be nice, like the 10mm one in fallout 2.
 
balor: magazines :evil:

this drum is of graves own design, as well as being a fictional weapon for a game. i dont see any reason why it could not be chambered in 7.62 NATO/.308 WIN.

description: why does it matter so much if the weapon actually holds 75 rounds in the mag?
 
Well, 7.62 nato DRUMS, not rounds, of course.
7.62 Nato round is much longer and heavier, therefore it is extremely unlikely that an assault rifle would exist with a drum like THAT.
I daresay it's about as stupid and unrelistic as Fatman.
However, it's easier for me to avoid it - just don't install this mod, and that's what I'll do.
Brian Fargo would NOT be proud, I can guarantee you that. You might as well add underbarrel grenade launcher and laser sight, and say that Brian Fargo would explode with joy.
 
It ISN'T as unplausible as fatman.
It is however bit unlikely, IF the recoil system isnt more developed then ours.
the weapons we see in Fallout were developed mid to late 21st century. So it could work. But it is, as the maker of the mod said, a USER made modification to the rifle, the 75 round mag. If i read correctly.

Oh, and 14MM hand guns anyone ?

Fallout never was about ULTRA realistic weapons. Having plasma, laser, portable miniguns etc really doesnt strike me as THAT realistic. Sure, they made sense in a way, like miniguns having a "side-arm" assault rifle developed to use same rounds , specially when you have things like PA (that isnt that far fetched, look up in the net about HAL-5).

Unlike fatman that has no feasible infantry use.
 
Balor said:
Well, 7.62 nato DRUMS, not rounds, of course.
what?

7.62 Nato round is much longer and heavier, therefore it is extremely unlikely that an assault rifle would exist with a drum like THAT.

really?
7.62x51mm NATO Beta C-mag

Zastava M77

just don't install this mod, and that's what I'll do.
smartest thing you have said in this thread

Brian Fargo would NOT be proud, I can guarantee you that. You might as well add underbarrel grenade launcher and laser sight, and say that Brian Fargo would explode with joy.

again, what?
 
Balor said:
Well, 7.62 nato DRUMS, not rounds, of course.
7.62 Nato round is much longer and heavier, therefore it is extremely unlikely that an assault rifle would exist with a drum like THAT.
I daresay it's about as stupid and unrelistic as Fatman.


YOU FAIL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbHPwJ_WdwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCafmMi-ATg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27gjMyY-rk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ln_lulDyKg



Obviously you don't know a lot about firearms.
 
Grave461
Ok, I failed, not due to your links - of COURSE I know that drums for ak47 (or, I should say, RPK drums that are interchangeable with AK47) exist, but they are NOT rechambered for 7.62x51.
vashts1985's links DO disprove my claim, though... however I must say that:

First, I didn't say that it's absolutely impossible - just unlikely. And btw, if you fitted the AK with already existing C-mag, I would not complain (btw, it's certainly not compatible with AKs, but I suppose it can be refitted) - however, you chose to simply take a model of AK with a drum, rename it AK-97, and announce that from now on it fires 7.62x51 rounds! I would not have any problems with AK that fires NATO round, but not from a drum.

Second, I apologize for directly comparing your drum-fitted AK-97 and Fatman, for the former is indeed much more plausible then latter, but I mean to say that it's in the same vein - adding a weapon that is made 'cooler' with means that are stupid - just 'for the sake of it being cool'.

Third, while I'm not a military man, I've heard complains (and THAT is why I’m here, arguing) from people who WAS in the military that mounting 75-round drum on AK47 is pretty stupid - it was designed for RPK, it's heavy and unwieldy to fire 'from hands', unlike RPK that has a tripod, and firing 75 rounds in one go will surely make your weapon overheat - probably making it jam and 'spit' due to widening of the barrel (an again, RPK is designed to fire in longer bursts before overheating).Yea, it gives tactical edge, but the negatives outweigh the positives - there is a REASON it was made with 30-round clip! There is also a 'minor' issue with recoil beating your shoulder into a bloody pulp.
Btw, the Zastava M77 modification fires from 20-round clip. Again, for a reason.

And I highly doubt that C-mag is seeing widespread usage – at least, not on modifications of M14 that are specifically made as ‘light machine guns’ (if the exist at all). It might be much less unwieldy then a RPK drum, however it’s still goddamn heavy, extremely bulky (I wonder how many can you comfortably fit on your person, so you can quickly exchange them? I suspect the number would be zero) and you would still not be able to fully utilize it’s capacity due to your weapon overheating before you finish emptying it. Therefore, even as it does exist, it does not make it any less stupid.

Of course, it does not really matter in Fallout 3 – there is no weapon overheating, bulkiness and weight does not really matter – only clip size does, therefore for munchkin purposes it is perfectly sensible to have an AK47 clone, with a drum that was designed for RPK and exist only for 7.62x39 rounds.
However, again, for same purposes, it makes perfect sense to have a nuclear capapult that fires weightless nuclear bombs that leave pretty mushroom clouds… because it’s, like, supah cool.

If there was a quest to custom-with it with a drum like that – it would be great, but claiming that it is “This is fairly commonplace in the Southwestern Wastelands.” – I think, again, that’s ‘wow-inspiring’, but unrealistic… it’s even against the lore, because it’s said to fire from ’30-round clip’!
I may sound unfair, because there are countless mods, with even stupider and more unrealistic weapons are abound now, but I suppose that his place should have much higher standards?
And btw, there are 200-round Glock drums, for instance. I would praise the mod that would add a quest to custom fit your existing handgun with a drum like that, or have it found as a unique weapon - provided that it deteorated at, like 5x speed due to massive overheating when fired in long bursts.
But have it stated as a 'widespread weapon'... I guess anybody, including you, will say that is a stupid idea.
 
Patton89 said:
It ISN'T as unplausible as fatman.
It is however bit unlikely, IF the recoil system isnt more developed then ours.
the weapons we see in Fallout were developed mid to late 21st century. So it could work. But it is, as the maker of the mod said, a USER made modification to the rifle, the 75 round mag. If i read correctly.

Bah, I missed that (it's stated only in the post, not on the mod description itself). Ok, if it's just a 'user modification' - I have absolutely no problems with that, just as I would have no problems with 200-round handgun drums.

Oh, and 14MM hand guns anyone ?
Well, we have 12.7 mm handguns, so it's not that THAT unrealistic (if still stupid) to have 14mm handguns.
Provided it does not use existing 14mm HMG rounds, that is! Now THAT would be fucking ridiculous :lol:.
 
there might be problems fitting that cmag to a ak receiver, id imagine it might not work with the safety lever. they do say (impact guns, i think) it is made to fit a variety of .308/7.62 Nato weapons, though is only officially claimed (Betamag) to fit the M1A's and M14's.

btw zastava makes AKs in everything from 8mm mauser to 5.56 nato lol. they are quite popular in america as well
 
Balor, can't you just get over the issue with the calibers? It may be Fallout but it's still a game!

Grave you did a good job on that weapon, I like it a lot.
As Ravager69 already mentioned the wood texture could be a little darker and more worn looking.

Other than that it's a great gun, please keep going! :)
 
Balor said:
Grave461
Ok, I failed, not due to your links - of COURSE I know that drums for ak47 (or, I should say, RPK drums that are interchangeable with AK47) exist, but they are NOT rechambered for 7.62x51.
vashts1985's links DO disprove my claim, though... however I must say that:

First, I didn't say that it's absolutely impossible - just unlikely. And btw, if you fitted the AK with already existing C-mag, I would not complain (btw, it's certainly not compatible with AKs, but I suppose it can be refitted) - however, you chose to simply take a model of AK with a drum, rename it AK-97, and announce that from now on it fires 7.62x51 rounds! I would not have any problems with AK that fires NATO round, but not from a drum.

Second, I apologize for directly comparing your drum-fitted AK-97 and Fatman, for the former is indeed much more plausible then latter, but I mean to say that it's in the same vein - adding a weapon that is made 'cooler' with means that are stupid - just 'for the sake of it being cool'.

Third, while I'm not a military man, I've heard complains (and THAT is why I’m here, arguing) from people who WAS in the military that mounting 75-round drum on AK47 is pretty stupid - it was designed for RPK, it's heavy and unwieldy to fire 'from hands', unlike RPK that has a tripod, and firing 75 rounds in one go will surely make your weapon overheat - probably making it jam and 'spit' due to widening of the barrel (an again, RPK is designed to fire in longer bursts before overheating).Yea, it gives tactical edge, but the negatives outweigh the positives - there is a REASON it was made with 30-round clip! There is also a 'minor' issue with recoil beating your shoulder into a bloody pulp.
Btw, the Zastava M77 modification fires from 20-round clip. Again, for a reason.

And I highly doubt that C-mag is seeing widespread usage – at least, not on modifications of M14 that are specifically made as ‘light machine guns’ (if the exist at all). It might be much less unwieldy then a RPK drum, however it’s still goddamn heavy, extremely bulky (I wonder how many can you comfortably fit on your person, so you can quickly exchange them? I suspect the number would be zero) and you would still not be able to fully utilize it’s capacity due to your weapon overheating before you finish emptying it. Therefore, even as it does exist, it does not make it any less stupid.

Of course, it does not really matter in Fallout 3 – there is no weapon overheating, bulkiness and weight does not really matter – only clip size does, therefore for munchkin purposes it is perfectly sensible to have an AK47 clone, with a drum that was designed for RPK and exist only for 7.62x39 rounds.
However, again, for same purposes, it makes perfect sense to have a nuclear capapult that fires weightless nuclear bombs that leave pretty mushroom clouds… because it’s, like, supah cool.

If there was a quest to custom-with it with a drum like that – it would be great, but claiming that it is “This is fairly commonplace in the Southwestern Wastelands.” – I think, again, that’s ‘wow-inspiring’, but unrealistic… it’s even against the lore, because it’s said to fire from ’30-round clip’!
I may sound unfair, because there are countless mods, with even stupider and more unrealistic weapons are abound now, but I suppose that his place should have much higher standards?
And btw, there are 200-round Glock drums, for instance. I would praise the mod that would add a quest to custom fit your existing handgun with a drum like that, or have it found as a unique weapon - provided that it deteorated at, like 5x speed due to massive overheating when fired in long bursts.
But have it stated as a 'widespread weapon'... I guess anybody, including you, will say that is a stupid idea.

I never said the AK-97 specifically fires 7.62x52 or anything else for that matter... you assumed it did. All I said was that it uses the .308 round because it's the closest thing to a 7.62mm round and I didn't want to make a whole new round of ammo just for this mod, so I found a suitable substitute in the game.

For Gods sake, man... it's just a mod. You over analyze it way too much. I just took an AK-47 model, swapped the clip for the drum, and renamed it to a Wasteland firearm for us nostalgic types. I'm not saying my mod is revolutionary or anything. I added the drum to make it just a little more different than every other AK-47 mod out there.

Is it Wasteland-lore friendly? I think so. Just because the AK-97's only fired up to a 30-round magazine in Wasteland, doesn't mean somebody can't use a drum with it, if they found one.

And that's it. No deeper thought than that. Just a mod. Something just a little different. First time at meshing for me, too.

So chill.
 
I like it! But do you think you could give this a better texture? It would make a great HK-112 with an expanded mag. 100 rounds of pure joy!
 
Balor said:
Patton89 said:
It ISN'T as unplausible as fatman.
It is however bit unlikely, IF the recoil system isnt more developed then ours.
the weapons we see in Fallout were developed mid to late 21st century. So it could work. But it is, as the maker of the mod said, a USER made modification to the rifle, the 75 round mag. If i read correctly.

Bah, I missed that (it's stated only in the post, not on the mod description itself). Ok, if it's just a 'user modification' - I have absolutely no problems with that, just as I would have no problems with 200-round handgun drums.

I went ahead and added some more background info on this AK-97 under the "Details" section. Yes, the intention was this is a customized AK-97, an upgraded version of the ones found in Wasteland. I made that more clear now.

Ravager said:
I like it! But do you think you could give this a better texture? It would make a great HK-112 with an expanded mag. 100 rounds of pure joy!

I can try working on the texture a little more. I definately need help with the mesh, as when you reload, the drum doesn't actually drop. Clips work fine with this mesh, but when I swap out the drum, it gets weird on me.

For the next version, I'll work on the texturing a little more, and I may resize that drum and make it a bit smaller.
 
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