Modern Warfare & Power Armor

SAVAXTAGE

First time out of the vault
Congress voted on giving body armor to troops in Iraq, but it didnt pass. The idea is more than interesting, in the near future we can be seeing troops with early stages of power armor. Theres already lightweight strong body armor, why not use it and prevent a nuclear war? The answer, is because it will cost too much money, and the United States never loses significant amounts of soldiers to worry about it, not as long as we are fighting a rad-tad army in Iraq atleast.

If it costs too much money, I propose we discontinue and or make some sacrifices in the military to equip or soldiers with this.

Remember, this would mean no more grandmothers holding babies shielding the frisbie wearing soldiers from attacks. They can shoot that armor all they want with their 9mm and the soldier will just wait for a clear shot. As you know, a human can out-maneuver just about any tank. Moreover, our weapons can PEIRCE through a tank. This is why, I say we discontinue tanks as the mainstay of the army and use the NEEDED gasoline for our air support.

In battle, the one who owns the air, owns the battlefield. Build a veichle able to maneuver around quickly through urban areas, and run it on Hydrogen power. This would create a new market for metal, hydrogen power and keep the same gasoline market for the air. As far as "blitzkrieg type" invasions paratroopers armed with power armor would be much more scary, especially because all of the gasoline will be concentrated on the air. They will not be too heavy Either, They can run in that, theyll be able to land in that.

Plus, If we do this now, we can keep adding stuff onto it. We can Keep adding on computerized attributes to new prototypes.

Whos with me on this? There would be more destruction to property, but less deaths. You can rebuild houses, but not lives. Furthermore, I strongly believe it would be a deciding factor in making communism and nuclear war pretty far away.

What do you guys think?
 
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"Super" Infantry are the future of warfare. Tanks are too loud and too hot, and are insanely easy targets. The size of weapons is getting rediculous too, smaller and smaller, with individual soldiers able to carry and deploy massive amounts of firepower. We arn't there yet, and wont be for a long time, but its only a matter of time till we are looking at something like the Mobile Infantry of Starship Troopers (The book) maybe not quite like that, but infantry will be closer to that, then to what they are now.
 
sswelm said:
I think you played too much fallout. ;)

no, if he did, he would know that to make a power armour, he needs fusion power...ehe, dont think hes got that...... :P
 
SAVAXTAGE said:
Congress voted on giving body armor to troops in Iraq, but it didnt pass.

The funny thing on that is that the body armor funding was included as an amendment in an overall $87 billion funding to continue the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The bill with the amendment was passed in November of 2003. Of course there is a time delay in passing a bill, allocating the funding, buying the equipment and providing the equipment to troops. It would have been nicer if all this was done before the start of the war in Iraq but the bill was first introduced in September of 2003. Try not to get your incomplete information from Bush campaign ads.
 
SAVAXTAGE, you are joking, right? Either you are attempting to be... humorous or you are a tad feebleminded about the whole thing.
 
Better personal protection would be very useful. However the technology you suggest is currently far beyond our reach. Most terrorists do not use low powered 9mm pistols but commonly have RPGs, high powered AK-47s and machine guns that would go straight through the body armour we have today. Body armour may increase your chances of survival, but it does not render you invincible. Well, not yet.
 
what he's saying is that having more advanced forms of body armor would render the troops virtually invincible to 9mm rounds. As for high powered weapons they'll be able to resist the rounds but not stop them.

As for the technology part the world DOES have the technology to develop something like powered armor. But the appropriate amount of money to do develop powered armor isn't being spent. Which is why the body armor we use today is a Kevlar Flak vest, it's inexpensive and fairly easy to manufacture.
 
They are indeed developing it as we speak, but it will at least take another decade to see it really operational like in fallout.

The models they have today only include powered legs (being able to carry a LOT more on their backs and not get tired from long troop movements)

These models have NO militairy use whatsoever but it is a necessary step to get to a real powerarmor...
 
The powered legs i read about in a gamermagazine called Joystick (one of the best magz in Europe i might add). I'll try to look it up but i cant find this particular issue, maybe my brother took it to the university with him (studies in Holland).

Anyhow a bit more specs for the interested (what i remembered, might not be 100% accurate, it's been a while since i read it):

* it's pretty darn big when you look at the picture
* runs on diesel :roll: :lol: (low autonomie, has to be refueled often)
* think the extra load able to be carried is 100kg in addition to the normal army backpack
* it allows to let soldiers walk very long distances without getting tired (90% of the weight is carried by the powered legs, the soldier using it only feel their own bodyweight, not the unit or backpack)

but remember this is too bulky, has a low autonomie and is too noisy for any militairy application at this time...
 
First of all, isn't this in the wrong forum, it's not really related to Fallout since the proposed DARPA powered armor would look nothing like the bulky metal suit from the game. Also, what weapons are you talking about that can pierce a tank? Very few handheld weapons are capable to doing that at the moment. As been pointed out by the rest of the people here, protecting yourself against 9 mm might be fine and dandy in law enforcement, but for body armor to be useful in the military it must stand a chance to stop 5.56 and 7.62 (or similar calibers) at reasonable distances, without weighing too much or being too bulky. Mobility is the difference between life and death, especially for infantry.

If technology like this is developed, I imagine that it would be issued foremost to small crack team squads that would make insertions into hostile territory with the purpose of scouting and directing smart bombs, not regular grunts.
 
God only knows what they're all on about.

Anyway, talking with a defense engineer, another proposed use for DARPA's powered armor would be for increased infantry mobility, with only moderately more armor than infantry carry anyway. Not to mention DARPA has some significant problems to overcome before this technology is anywhere near ready for practical combat use.
 
Such an armor would be expensive and inefficient. It would be much more economical to teach the soldiers to use the Force and deflect bullets with their mind. :lol:
 
Yeah, something even more economical would be to avoid starting the damn wars in the first place :P
 
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