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Lawmakers say Capitol computers hacked by Chinese

By PETE YOST and LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writers 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Multiple congressional computers have been hacked by people working from inside China, lawmakers said Wednesday, suggesting the Chinese were seeking lists of dissidents.

Two congressmen, both longtime critics of Beijing's record on human rights, said the compromised computers contained information about political dissidents from around the world. One of the lawmakers said he'd been discouraged from disclosing the computer attacks by other U.S. officials.

Virginia Rep. Frank Wolf said four of his computers were compromised, beginning in 2006. New Jersey Rep. Chris Smith, a senior Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said two of his computers were attacked, in December 2006 and March 2007.

Wolf said that following one of the attacks, a car with license plates belonging to Chinese officials went to the home of a dissident in Fairfax County, Va., outside Washington and photographed it.

During the same time period, The House International Relations Committee — now known as the House Foreign Affairs Committee — was targeted at least once by someone working inside China, said committee spokeswoman Lynne Weil.

Wednesday's disclosures came as U.S. authorities continued to investigate whether Chinese officials secretly copied the contents of a government laptop computer during a visit to China by Commerce Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez and used the information to try to hack into Commerce Department computers.

The Pentagon last month acknowledged at a closed House Intelligence committee meeting that its vast computer network is scanned or attacked by outsiders more than 300 million times each day.

Wolf said the FBI had told him that computers of other House members and at least one House committee had been accessed by sources working from inside China. The Virginia Republican suggested that Senate computers could have been attacked as well.

He said the hacking of computers in his Capitol Hill office began in August 2006, that he had known about it for a long time and that he had been discouraged from disclosing it by people in the U.S. government he refused to identify.

"The problem has been that no one wants to talk about this issue," he said. "Every time I've started to do something I've been told 'You can't do this.' A lot of people have made it very, very difficult."

The FBI and the White House declined to comment.

The Bush administration has been increasingly reluctant publicly to discuss or acknowledge cyber attacks, especially ones traced to China.

In the Senate, the office of Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., who chairs the Senate's subcommittee on humanitarian issues, asked the sergeant at arms to investigate whether Senate computers have been compromised.

Wolf said the first computer hacked in his office belonged to the staffer who works on human rights cases and that others included the machines of Wolf's chief of staff and legislative director.

"They knew which ones to get," said Dan Scandling, who currently is on leave of absence from his job as Wolf's chief of staff. "It was a very sophisticated operation," he said. "The FBI verified that it had been done."

Smith said the attacks on his office computers were "very much an orchestrated effort."

He said that after the first intrusion in December 2006, "that was the last time" his office put the names of dissidents on its computers.

In Beijing, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs had no immediate comment on the allegations by Wolf and Smith.

Last week, China denied the accusations regarding Gutierrez's laptop and the alleged effort to hack Commerce Department computers.

Wolf said he was introducing a House resolution that would help ensure protection for all House computers and information systems.

It calls for the chief administrative officer and sergeant at arms of the House, in consultation with the FBI, to alert members and their staffs to the danger of electronic attacks. Wolf also wants lawmakers to be fully briefed on ways to safeguard official records from electronic security breaches.

"My own suspicion is I was targeted by China because of my long history of speaking out about China's abysmal human rights record," Wolf said in a draft of remarks he prepared to give on the House floor.

He said Congress should hold hearings, specifically the House Intelligence Committee, Armed Services Committee and Government Operations Committee.

Speaking generally in May 2006, Wolf called Chinese spying efforts "frightening" and said it was no secret that the United States is a principal target of Chinese intelligence services.

Wolf thinks that President Bush should stay away from the Olympics because of China's human rights record.

He also has been outspoken on the subject of violence in the Darfur region of Sudan, where China has major oil interests.

Smith has introduced the Global Online Freedom Act which would prohibit U.S. Internet companies from cooperating with countries such as China that restrict information about human rights and democracy on the Internet.

Wolf and Smith both traveled to Beijing 17 years ago seeking the release of 77 people imprisoned or under house arrest because of their religious activities.

Don't talk about this because.. its China? WTF?
 
What can be done about this most grievous of atrocities welsh? Nukes? Or go back to Windows ME - that never got hacked.
 
My wife has a system with Microsoft ME- it sucks.

To be honest, and I have said this before, people who make viruses should be fed to wild weasels.

But what about spying? While I don't doubt the US does something similar, I suspect that both sides are coming up with creative counter measures.

The problem is that its easier for a closed society and a authoritarian state like China to get away with this than a democratic, and supposedly more transparent state like the US. The instinctive response is to increase security- but the costs of that is the transparency that keeps government accountable.

The Chinese don't have this problem because they don't have an accountable government.
 
The biggest joke is - American companies are helping the Chinese to do it.

And welsh, my friend, haven't you read any of the books published about China lately?

There are a lot of vested American commercial interest in China at the moment, and they don't want it to be disturbed because another American politician wants to get more votes by catering to what they deemed special interest groups.

Chinese plays the suckers very well. You want access to our markets? Give the technology we need to control the information(or screw you later with our knock off products), and you can start doing business here. The patent office or whoever in charge has been known to give out technical blue prints from foreign applicants to Chinese competitors.

Spying is only part of it. The funny thing is, it sounds like these attacks are not aimed at sensitive military secrets, but aimed at keeping taps on their own people and get a competitive commercial advantage. Because they know as well as I do that only Chinese people will buy Chinese brand crap.

Looking for the quick buck and keeping control of their power is probably all they have left for CCP.
 
I don't know why, but I have the uncontrollable desire to do this.


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Tell me more of your plan, American sister!
 
On top of the OP's security breaches, one should tally up the various major government information networks that China has successfully disabled. All major attacks including the one that took out the Pentagon have been traced back to China... They of course deny having any involvement... How convenient that the road of ruin leads right to their radical military organization eh?
 
I'm spying this fu***** Topic now

May be I should vote you as president of enclave, when you finish your long exoterica speaking...the chosen one can say:'You are crazy'...and blow up your head.

Your tone like you born in China, seems so care and know the so called stuff about China. Why you don't just give a topic about Vatican or smaller country. So I can see something rising after Cold war ---- Second cold war deliria.

Do you see any Chinese guys put the topic about US intimidatory things to China before? Even we heard many from our news, but we don't put them here, for we always see your bright sides, and want to make friends of you.

Look at you~ what hell......
 
That would be pointless, everyone and his dog knows the Vatican has spies, ICBM's and stealthy submarines everywhere.
 
gunner of shi said:
I'm spying this fu***** Topic now

May be I should vote you as president of enclave, when you finish your long exoterica speaking...the chosen one can say:'You are crazy'...and blow up your head.

Your tone like you born in China, seems so care and know the so called stuff about China. Why you don't just give a topic about Vatican or smaller country. So I can see something rising after Cold war ---- Second cold war deliria.

I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling. So why don't we just ignore each other till we go away?
 
I never ignore anyone, even we got bustup before.

We are not kid or girl something

Wooz said:
That would be pointless, everyone and his dog knows the Vatican has spies, ICBM's and stealthy submarines everywhere.

Oh......

Wooz......your dog is......mutant

haha~nice to see you ... again
 
the "ad hominem" argumentation (in this case projected at the united states) does not ALWAYS work, gunner. i do not think that you are actually interested in a real discussion here - there are quite some reasons WHY that is*.

maybe you are used to talk between the letters (correct phrasing? i hope you get the meaning) - i know that behaviour quite well, we had relatives in the former "federal" "republic" of germany. they usually didnt word critics directly, but used jokes etc to get to their point. i can only assume that every internet connection between china and the rest of the world is monitored and censored, so this might be the reason why.

on another note: perhaps you are a true defender of the chinese regime. that, otoh, would mean that you are deeply indoctrinated and well-trained in "discussing" all things chinese. anyway, this scenario does lack severely when it comes to open-mindedness in debating, argueing and discussing.

dont get me wrong: i am quite sure the chinese people are just average people, just like you and me. i am happy as britney spwears' lawyer that i DIDNT have to grow up in an oppressive regime. i know a LOT of people who had to. of course that puts me in the position of someone with secondhand knowledge about those things. it does, however, NOT mean that i dont have the right to closely observe and comment what happens in oppressive regimes.

i do not know anyone from china, but that doesnt keep me (and other people) from observing news and commentaries that over the years quite clearly indicate that the chinese "regime" is not exactly something you would call a democracy. nor would i like to live in china. feel free to criticize my country**, i know we have a LOT of flaws***.


*- from here on, ill go ad hominem =)
**- germany
***- angela merkel
 
Folks lets keep the personal attacks down, eh?

Gunner- feel free to be critical of the US. God knows I am.
 
I think you can say you live in a free country when you can criticize it all you want. It's the government that should be afraid of the people. Is the Chinese government afraid of it's people gunner?
 
Hey~guys, this time I did not care about the topic... you always have the right to say your point.

So I just said my feeling as I first see this discussion. Not ready for discussion, try to understand me, my feeling is also my personal view...horst, I'm not ready for discussion yet.

That's not my debate, that's my feeling like you see some pictures from gay or 受。。。so you cry out----‘oh~shit'

haha
 
Maybe I should track down his IP and report him to his local party secretary?

Whining, English excuses, or the all time favourite 2, "It's all your fault" or "You guys are just as bad/worse than us!" are not going to help your causes.

Your reaction proves other people's cynicism about your country. The most amusing thing is, whenever someone bashes/have interesting discussions about say US, quite a few Americans are willing to join the parade. China? It's either the victim mentality, or the immature finger pointing mentality.

Where are you from, maybe I know the party secretary of your province. Want a better job?

Tempted?

Would you use that new job to stuff your pockets, kiss up your boss, and shirk any responsibilities you may or may not have?

Seriously, anyone who ever watches CCTV at all will know that China doesn't publish/broadcast any favourable news stories about the west. Next thing comes out of your mouth will probably be Taiwan is part of China.

Am I hitting any of the right buttons?

Please talk about something we haven't heard, or at least have more imagination with the excuses. If you really want to know what your country does outside of the country, get out of the country. Oh, wait, you can't, because either you have a blue Chinese passport or lots of money and have a connection to get you visas to go where you want to go.

Tell me I am wrong, and take it easy, online discussions won't prove to your boss/dad/teacher that you don't really speak English.

;)
 
As some one said before:

Wow, here comes another one. What happened to that last "US" guy that tried this? The guy that was supposed to be working in China?

Typical ignorant American reply about questions of the outside world and China, so nothing to see here, move along.
 
That is so sad. You can't even come up with your own come backs/replies?

The worst part is you sound more ignorant about your own country than outsider.

Seriously, where are you from? It can't be a coastal city, right? Even my friends in Shanghai or Hangzhou know better than that. I know, I know, you are all victims of brainwashed experiments. I'll get over it. You are the type of the people that I love in China, because it's what keeps me laughing.

Anyway, to get back on topic. Spying in China is quite common.

I usually have to be highly careful working for highly sensitive projects. Political, technology or even commercial spies are quite common. It's easy to be a stepping stone for someone's career. So I don't think these type of spying is so much CCP directed, because it sounds more like it's for personal advancement.
 
Hey~guys, this time I did not care about the topic... you always have the right to say your point.

It's the government that should be afraid of the people. Is the Chinese government afraid of it's people gunner? Eh? Eh?
 
i was being spyed everyday by firefox..

thank you..

more people,more hackers

more computers,more being hacked..

that's all..
 
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