New graphics card

Hotel California

Mildly Dipped
I'm building a new computer and want to get a pretty hefty graphics card (in order to play the oblivion engined FO3). I've got a couple of choice and a few criteria.

I need: An AGP compatable, running on 300mW PSU which would be able to play oblivion. (My PSU is non changable due to it being incorperated into a minitower)

Options:

1) Buy a 512mb gf5900 xt from a college for £40 ($80) which will work on my new rig. Then wait for a year till FO3 comes out and upgrade it.

2) Buy a newer card which is slightly more expensive now but may be cheaper in the long run. However, i'm concerned that it won't like my pansy PSU and will conk out.

3) This one being a similar situation to the second but more expensive.

Please advise me!

(Searched first two pages so i thought i'd make a new topic - if not just merge it)
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A 300W PSU with a hefty graphics card on AGP?
I'd say that that isn't gonna happen and that you'd be better off just getting a new PC, really. Especially if you're looking at a Geforce 5900, which is probably not going to be able to run Fallout 3 well at all.
 
But FO3 won't be coming out for a while at least so if i waited until the better ones came down in price - then upgrading my PSU and get a current one. There seem to be some decent AGP ones - are you saying that is an issue?
 
Hotel California said:
But FO3 won't be coming out for a while at least so if i waited until the better ones came down in price - then upgrading my PSU and get a current one. There seem to be some decent AGP ones - are you saying that is an issue?
It is if you have a 300W PSU.
 
The problem is my case is one of those really small ones and the PSU is custom made - i've already bought the case so i can't really get a new one - however, what about having a PSU externally?
 
That'd be a real pain, although technically possible. It would probably mean leaving your case open.

I'd really advise for buying a new PC, or perhaps replacing the AGP motherboard with a PCI-E one.

But perhaps SuaSide has some info I don't know about, he's generally a bit better informed when it comes to hardware.
 
I dont think fallout 3 will require a very good pc if it follows the predecessors,at least i think so,because the point of view and all dont push too much your video card.Sorry if i interpreted wrong...
 
heodien said:
I dont think fallout 3 will require a very good pc if it follows the predecessors,at least i think so,because the point of view and all dont push too much your video card.Sorry if i interpreted wrong...
Yes, yes you did. It's going to be using the Oblivion engine, so it will most certainly require a lot of computing power. The viewpoint has very little to do with how advanced the graphics card needs to be.
 
Sander said:
heodien said:
I dont think fallout 3 will require a very good pc if it follows the predecessors,at least i think so,because the point of view and all dont push too much your video card.Sorry if i interpreted wrong...
Yes, yes you did. It's going to be using the Oblivion engine, so it will most certainly require a lot of computing power. The viewpoint has very little to do with how advanced the graphics card needs to be.

Thanks for that, another question, Oblivion engine is good? If it is,is there any hope that fallout will be good?
 
heodien said:
Thanks for that, another question, Oblivion engine is good? If it is,is there any hope that fallout will be good?
Oh, for fuck's sake. Go read some old news. You'll find that we know nothing whatsoever about what will happen with Fallout 3.
And the engine has absolutely nothing to do with how good Fallout 3 will be. That engine can be used to create an incredibly crappy Fallout 3, but it can just as well be used to create a good one.
 
heodien said:
Thanks for that, another question, Oblivion engine is good?
Well, GameBryo itself is a fairly old engine, but BethSoft programmers have extended it with a lot of middleware libraries (Havoc, Speedtree...), so it's one of the most advanced engines nowadays.

But ultimately, designers will be the main factor in how good Fallout 3 is, not programmers.
 
We don't even have a year estimate for the release yet, you're better off forgetting about Fallout for the moment.
 
Hotel California said:
I'm building a new computer and want to get a pretty hefty graphics card (in order to play the oblivion engined FO3).
don't

if you're gonna buy a new computer for a specific game, buy it when the game is released... else you might get stuck with an 'older' pc thats not performing as good as it could've been if you'd have waited. ya know, HL2-style (or duke nukem fornever if you catch my drift)
Hotel California said:
I need: An AGP compatable, running on 300mW PSU which would be able to play oblivion. (My PSU is non changable due to it being incorperated into a minitower)
mkay, if it's a new comp, why AGP?

and 300W is too low for a brandnew setup (certainly if it's a 'vanilla' PSU that came with the case)
Hotel California said:
1) Buy a 512mb gf5900 xt from a college for £40 ($80) which will work on my new rig. Then wait for a year till FO3 comes out and upgrade it.
looks steep to me. you should be able to get a card of that generation cheaper.

and no, afaik there is no version of that card with 512mb vid ram. 128mb is what would be logical for that type+generation. there might be a 256mb version, but it wont affect the performance.
Hotel California said:
2) Buy a newer card which is slightly more expensive now but may be cheaper in the long run. However, i'm concerned that it won't like my pansy PSU and will conk out.
if you're going with newer stuff, than at least buy second hand. a new normal 6800 really isnt a good choice. for that price you can probably get a 6800GT second hand.

and yes, it'll either refuse to run on your old psu, or cause it to spontaniously combust on the long run. :p

i still dont see why you'd go with AGP anyway, btw...
Hotel California said:
The problem is my case is one of those really small ones and the PSU is custom made - i've already bought the case so i can't really get a new one - however, what about having a PSU externally?
ah, so your pc is a shuttle & you wanna keep your mobo & psu?

and yes, sander is right. an external PSU is possible, but a huge pain in the ass to pull it off. i really wouldnt advise it unless you have some uberhardwarefreak buddy that wants to fix it for you. it's a rather tricky undertaking as you have to bypass some safeties to make it run without being connected to a mobo.
Sander said:
I'd really advise for buying a new PC
yeah, but that depends on how much hardware he wants to keep from his old pc. looks to me like he wants to keep his case & mobo.

but yeah, i agree. he's probably better off starting from scratch. you'll regret it later if you're trying to salvage old stuff (at least when it's a core element like a motherboard)
Sander said:
or perhaps replacing the AGP motherboard with a PCI-E one.
that could be hard, since his pc seems to be a shuttle (or other small formfactor), there might be some problems with compability.
Pajari said:
We don't even have a year estimate for the release yet, you're better off forgetting about Fallout for the moment.
seconded

if this is really about FO3, just wait, save some more money & go all out once it gets released (and no that wont be anytime soon)

disclaimer: this post contains a lot of guessing & i cant be held accountable for false information & wrong conclusions :p
 
SuAside said:
disclaimer: this post contains a lot of guessing & i cant be held accountable for false information & wrong conclusions :p

Don't worry, i've got quite a good idea of what i'll do.

This current machine is for Uni - it need to be a small case just for general portability but i only wanted to get a decent graphics card so i could game occasionally. As it is i'll probably wait until my bro upgrades his and play on it whenever i come home.

The mobo was a freebe from my dad - it was supposed to be a server but it had a problem with the raid disks (post warranty) and so is fine for me but not him. Unfortunately he bought the case without consulting me and also installed all the other stuff, thus voiding the return policy i think. The GeForceFX 5900XT is sufficient for me in the short term.Really the most hefty game i'll be playing for a while will be COD2 which this gc should deal with a lot better than my brother's current.

Unfortunately money is gonna become pretty tight so perhaps i won't get to play FO3 for many many years. How depressing!
 
Well, if the 5900 XT is anything like the 5900 Ultra, you should be able to handle call of duty 2 no problem. I had the ultra on my last pc and it ran half life 2 fine. You can't max out the settings but you should be able to get a decent game out of it (just don't try crysis or prey).
 
why do you think they've got different names, SimpleMinded?

not the same card, cant be compared.
 
SuAside said:
why do you think they've got different names, SimpleMinded?

not the same card, cant be compared.

I'm assuming his is just a later better version of mine (like the way you were saying GT was faster, better memory than the GS), in which case it would be safe to say, anything mine can do, his can do better.

Seemed like a reasonable assumption :P .
 
it is indeed a cheaper enthousiast knock-off of the ultra (and in it's time a pretty decent card)
 
Hm... so you are building a systen to handle all sort of your uni. thingie (assignment) yet want to able to play game.

My advice is get a Geforce 6600 AGP instead of Geforce 5900. It's cheaper and I don't think 5900 can handle tomorow's game (6600 still has a year to go before going down to the bottom of video-chain -ultra low :lol: ).

And I won't take a puny 300W PSU. 400W should be consider effecient for today's computer.

So don't hope your new-build computer can play Fallout3 <--- it ain't come out yet and we don't know any shit bout it cept it will use oblivion engine.

Edit: Okie. So you can't swap your PSU. Well you can put a new one on top of the case. I know one of my friend use 2 PSU to pump electric juice to his uber machine :D
 
i had to laugh today, half life 2 :episode one said my machine didn't meet minimum spec...

i have a geforce 7900GTX, 1Gb or Ram. Intel Pentium M 760 2.0Ghz
 
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