Xavierblazer
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Wouldnt the punch gun break the wrist with the kick of a shotgun focused on that part of your arm??
PA Wrists stronger than now?
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Wouldn't a powerfist rip your arm off? Wouldn't the bionic man's arm and legs rip themselves from his torso?
Not a gameplay or tech help question moving to General Fallout Discussion.
Not a gameplay or tech help question moving to General Fallout Discussion.
Punch guns are real. I saw one on a show about odd firearms. Nifty idea really, but the wrist isn't the weak point (you can one-hand a shotgun, just not accurately), the glove is. The firearms expert stated that the gun usually pulls away from the glove, eventually.
Re: Power Fist: Just what does a Power Fist do? How does it add "power" to your punch? I know if you hit someone with a big, spike, metal glove, you're gonna fuck 'em up pretty good, but what is it doing that consumes electricity?
Re: Bionic Man: Presumably the Bionic Man's arms and legs *Could* tear themselves from his body. Anyone ever watch "Ghost In The Shell"? Motoko displayed just that kind of power at the end, trying to rip the hatch off a tank. The sourcebooks for the somewhat similar RPG Shadowrun state that if you have a Cyberlimb, you rarely exert the full strength of it because it *could* come free from its moorings, but none the less you are stronger.
So There.
Re: Power Fist: Just what does a Power Fist do? How does it add "power" to your punch? I know if you hit someone with a big, spike, metal glove, you're gonna fuck 'em up pretty good, but what is it doing that consumes electricity?
Re: Bionic Man: Presumably the Bionic Man's arms and legs *Could* tear themselves from his body. Anyone ever watch "Ghost In The Shell"? Motoko displayed just that kind of power at the end, trying to rip the hatch off a tank. The sourcebooks for the somewhat similar RPG Shadowrun state that if you have a Cyberlimb, you rarely exert the full strength of it because it *could* come free from its moorings, but none the less you are stronger.
So There.
The powerfist draws on the sec's to encrease the shear damage, like if there were a bunch of electronic rams under the surface of the glove, and when hitting something, they all jump out simotaniously, and if your wearing a glove like that with spikes on it, its gonna hurt. Or it could just electrify the spikes, giving your enemy a severe shock when you sock one to em, kinda like wraping barbed wire around boxing gloves, or kicking someone in the nuts with a frozen boot.
barbed wire around boxing gloves..frozen boots..(takes notes)
hmm... I was under the impression that the mega power fists were loaded with some kind of plasma attack, because of the green spots on it.
Though I can't remember reading it in the description...
hmm... I was under the impression that the mega power fists were loaded with some kind of plasma attack, because of the green spots on it.
Though I can't remember reading it in the description...
I was under the impression that the power fist used the same kind of "kinetic storage device" as the Micro Sledge. But then I realized that the MS doesn't use energy cells, so I figured it worked using some sort of disruptive energy field akin to the power fists found in Warhammer 40k if you know what I mean.
As far as the whole punch gun recoil goes, remember: Somebody somewhere invented the 8 gauge shotgun and expected people to fire it.
As far as the whole punch gun recoil goes, remember: Somebody somewhere invented the 8 gauge shotgun and expected people to fire it.
Accually, the Power Fists in Warhammer 40k use electricity (or equelavant), there's a power cable going from the Fist to the power unit in the armour(Both on Tactical Dreadnought Armour as well as regular Power Armour).
Also the Power Fist consumes large amounts of energy, meaning that normal humans would have to wear a power pack on their backs to be able to use them while they're turned on.
Also the effects of a Power Fist and the Micro Sledge are very different to say the least. You could compare the Power Fist a bit like the ones that feature in Fallout and Fallout 2, but a lot more advanced as well as a lot more deadly. ("A heavy armoured gauntlet surrounded by an energy which disrupts the surface of solid matter, allowing the fist to punch through walls and armour, and grip and tear away at solid objects."
As for the kinetic energy storage: you first need to know what kinetic energy is before making assumptions: Kinetic energy is the enegy created/released when a solid object hits another solid object at sufficient speed to create/cause some form of damage.
Kinetic energy storage device would be: (in my opinion) a device that stores the energy that's released at a hit, and storing it to enhance the next hit caused, making it store energy again.
As for the punch gun:
As stated before, it wouldn't since the recoil does not affect the wrist much, at least not much more then a regular punch would.
Also the Power Fist consumes large amounts of energy, meaning that normal humans would have to wear a power pack on their backs to be able to use them while they're turned on.
Also the effects of a Power Fist and the Micro Sledge are very different to say the least. You could compare the Power Fist a bit like the ones that feature in Fallout and Fallout 2, but a lot more advanced as well as a lot more deadly. ("A heavy armoured gauntlet surrounded by an energy which disrupts the surface of solid matter, allowing the fist to punch through walls and armour, and grip and tear away at solid objects."
As for the kinetic energy storage: you first need to know what kinetic energy is before making assumptions: Kinetic energy is the enegy created/released when a solid object hits another solid object at sufficient speed to create/cause some form of damage.
Kinetic energy storage device would be: (in my opinion) a device that stores the energy that's released at a hit, and storing it to enhance the next hit caused, making it store energy again.
As for the punch gun:
As stated before, it wouldn't since the recoil does not affect the wrist much, at least not much more then a regular punch would.
Onisuzume said:
Those are some sick people...
'In depth', eh?
Sicko!
Sicko!
Onisuzume said:
Well, no. Kinetic energy is energy carried by mass in motion. When it hits something in a non-elastic manner, part of it is converted into heat (by way of friction/deformation), part into recoil (or alternatively preserved as follow-through).
Onisuzume said:
You couldn't do that without detracting from the energy delivered to the target. You don't want recoil when you hit someone, you want follow-through.
IgnatzKrebs
First time out of the vault
Sleepy said:
Hell, someone invented a 4 gauge shotgun and expected people to fire it.
I have seen a "glove gun" which fired a pistol-caliber round IRL, but the shotgun round used for the punch gun... I think that would indeed shatter your wrist (unless you are a Supermutant).
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
You could shoot a shotgun one handed, but it recoils back and up. A "punch" shotgun on your hand would just recoil back. With the force of your punch + the recoil of the blast working against one another you might shatter/jam your wrist, but who knows? I don't think any of us has shot one...
hmm...
I volunteer jebus to do the testing, he is expendable.
hmm...
I volunteer jebus to do the testing, he is expendable.
What if the glove is harder than the material you hit. Is it safe to assume that the power would break into the weaker material?
The idea I mean is something like this. The back of the glove is steel, and the thing you hit is flesh. It?s such a fast recoil, that the power would search the easies way out (if it?s a pipe with two ends, two choices). Either the steel, or flesh.
So basically hitting smaller guys will work, hitting big guys will putt you into world of pain.
Any sense in my idealist thinking?
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The idea I mean is something like this. The back of the glove is steel, and the thing you hit is flesh. It?s such a fast recoil, that the power would search the easies way out (if it?s a pipe with two ends, two choices). Either the steel, or flesh.
So basically hitting smaller guys will work, hitting big guys will putt you into world of pain.
Any sense in my idealist thinking?
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Weed Maps
I think the only way to avoid the recoil problem would be redirecting the gases released by the explosion to the back of the gun, which, if that is realistically possible, would even add some additional punch.
A strong recoil would otherwise probably cancel out a considerable part of the kinetic energy of the punch.
The power fist could probably use some kind of liquid to increase the momentum -- the hydraulics requiring the use of batteries.
I always imagined the power fist to rely on kinetic energy alone to deal the damage, rather than being electrically charged or so.
A strong recoil would otherwise probably cancel out a considerable part of the kinetic energy of the punch.
The power fist could probably use some kind of liquid to increase the momentum -- the hydraulics requiring the use of batteries.
I always imagined the power fist to rely on kinetic energy alone to deal the damage, rather than being electrically charged or so.
Rev. Layle
A Smooth-Skin
even though the power fist uses small energy cells?
(the supersledge works off the idea of stored kinetic energy also, but requires no "ammo")
(the supersledge works off the idea of stored kinetic energy also, but requires no "ammo")
You would need a very large muzzlebrake on the muzzle of the gun. You could build a support that would redirect the energy to your whole forearm but it would be more like a gauntlet then and would reduce wrist movement.
I think this is a pretty dumb idea to begin with though, if you have the parts for a gun... Make a gun! Shotguns are very simple and once this thing fires, you're just going to have a bunch of dead weight hanging on your arm. - Colt
I think this is a pretty dumb idea to begin with though, if you have the parts for a gun... Make a gun! Shotguns are very simple and once this thing fires, you're just going to have a bunch of dead weight hanging on your arm. - Colt
IgnatzKrebs
First time out of the vault
Well, Colt makes a HUGE point there. Only real point of the punch gun is to give unarmed specialists a way to expend ammo besides with the Powerfist. Yippee.
This is a little off topic, but has anyone noticed how a lot of the game developers out there seem to think a melee weapon that's also a gun is "kewl", or something? Remember Final Fantasy 8, Squall's and Seifer's gunblades? Gah.
This is a little off topic, but has anyone noticed how a lot of the game developers out there seem to think a melee weapon that's also a gun is "kewl", or something? Remember Final Fantasy 8, Squall's and Seifer's gunblades? Gah.
Well there are a lot of melee-guns out there in history. It?s not because they are kewl, but it?s because they gave an advantage.
You have two swordfighters and when you are in stance and the other says "en garde!" you are still pointing the sword and pull the trigger. Very short fight.
I have a book of ancient weapons and there are dozens of other combinations also. Walking sticks, knives and forks etc. They were quite inventive.
The basic idea was mostly the element of suprise. In fallout it doesn?t really work. Unless you would use as a way of achieving a bonus to Sequence in some way. Because it hasn?t been inplented into the engine nor the AI.
AI thinks you only have brass knuckles and decides not to shoot you down, but to kick your ass to save ammo. Looksie looksie, you had a ace up your sleeve. You brought a gun into the fistfight.
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You have two swordfighters and when you are in stance and the other says "en garde!" you are still pointing the sword and pull the trigger. Very short fight.
I have a book of ancient weapons and there are dozens of other combinations also. Walking sticks, knives and forks etc. They were quite inventive.
The basic idea was mostly the element of suprise. In fallout it doesn?t really work. Unless you would use as a way of achieving a bonus to Sequence in some way. Because it hasn?t been inplented into the engine nor the AI.
AI thinks you only have brass knuckles and decides not to shoot you down, but to kick your ass to save ammo. Looksie looksie, you had a ace up your sleeve. You brought a gun into the fistfight.
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LOLOL