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First benchmarks of Intel's new desktop Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme CPUs are in. Here's a summary:
AnandTech said:
Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison; not a single one. In many cases, the $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 actually outperformed Intel's previous champ: the Pentium Extreme Edition 965. In one day, Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete. Intel's Core 2 processors offer the sort of next-generation micro-architecture performance leap that we honestly haven't seen from Intel since the introduction of the P6.

Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance. The Core 2 Extreme X6800, Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600 were pretty consistently in the top 3 or 4 spots in each benchmark, with the E6600 offering better performance than AMD's FX-62 flagship in the vast majority of benchmarks. Another way of looking at it is that Intel's Core 2 Duo E6600 is effectively a $316 FX-62, which doesn't sound bad at all.

We're still waiting to get our hands on the E6400 as it may end up being the best bang for your buck, but even the slower E6300 is quite competitive with AMD's X2 4200+ and X2 3800+. If AMD drops the price on those two parts even more than we're expecting, then it may be able to hold on to the lower end of the performance mainstream market as the E6300 is not nearly as fast as the E6600.
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The E6600, priced at $316, outperforms anything AMD has to offer, and the low-end $183 E6300 competes with the best of AMD's lineup and consistently outperforms Pentium D EE 965? I think I peed a little.

Another thing: the new CPUs are excellent overclockers, and Core 2 Extreme even has unlocked multiplier! Which was the last Intel CPU without multiplier lock? CeleronA 300? What's really amazing is the E6600. That little beast runs at 2.4 GHz stock, but with quality air cooling it will clock to 4.0 GHz (a 67% overclock!) without problems. I was wrong - pure, unfiltered awesomeness does exist, and it's called E6600.

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they overclock like hell, because the limitations is in power disipation & power supply, not architecture. unlike all previous intel designs.

they've clocked the X6800 to a whooping 6Ghz already (over a standard clock of 2.9ghz), just a day after the limited release.

no matter how big the price cuts are @ AMD, they're dead in the water. the intel chips perform better, overclock better & are better in price/performance.

it's also said AMD does not have any tricks up their sleeve until the next gen is here, which means they're fucked til next year. even if they go into an insane pricewar that they're going to loose anyway, Intel's money reserves are about twice as big as AMD's. besides, only insane people would buy AMD now.

(official full release (aka full availability) on the market is by the end of this month)
 
The only benefits of AM2 is able to use DDR2 and it only gains minor perfomance boost. Not the one you hope to upgrade from S939.

Intel should have learned its lesson well when it was thrashed by A64.

EDIT: No more quoting. :D
 
zioburosky13 said:
The only benefits of AM2 is able to use DDR2 and it only gains minor perfomance boost. Not the one you hope to upgrade from S939.
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why quote me & say that? it has little to do with what i said.

and actually, in the lower end, there is no performance gain at all when comparing AM2 with s939.
 
digital rights management? on CPU? not afaik. there is no mention of it anywhere.

dual retention mechanism? no, thats PIII if i recall correctly ;)
 
they never really lost their shit, you know. they always remained the biggest fish in the pond (even though they had some suckass products). the power of capital & pressure, i suppose.

the only thing they actually took hits from was the multi server cpu market (4- & 8-way) & the enthousiast market. altogether those aren't really that important when push comes to shove.

anyhow, i kinda feel bad for AMD. they've been the enthousiast favorite for so long & now they got nothing to show for it. they're about to loose a huge share of their market (but remember, amd share = peanuts when compared to intel), they're producing very expensive chips and are giving price cuts at the same time (hence they make less profit), they're facing huge investments (closing & re-equiping fab30 to produce 65nm chips) and they're about to loose shareholder support (while Intel popped up in nearly all suggested market exchange portfolios).
 
Oh yah, the conroe core kicks ass and is an awesome chip that will take the reign for quite some time, but I hope amd will comeback with something else in the near future

I plan on buying a new pc very soon, but I want the opteron 170 for my cpu, although I should be looking at a conroe core.... oh well, I always go for the underdog.
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AMD is not releasing any new technology in the near future, so they're pretty much dead in the water for the time being. they might relabel some stuff, but nothing really new is said to be released this year.

why would you want an opteron for a desktop btw?
 
brandons1313 said:
Lol, yeah Digital rights management. The Pentium D has it. I wonder if Intel is being hush hush about it.
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Which is why I usually steer clear from Intel's Microsoft-sucking bullshit.

Seriously, if SOMEONE can come into your system as "admin" and format drives, ANYONE can and WILL. With Microsoft as the OS, it would be even easier than the USB issues. At a core, CPU-level, this is extremely dangerous.

So, to cheesily rip off a movie title, the new chips could likely be coined "The Fast and the Fucked".
 
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