Personal View on Fo3

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Heldelance

First time out of the vault
Now, I'm a die hard Fallout 1 and 2 fan, I've played them to completion (without mods) at least 5 times over, with mods I've done it more.

When I found out that Van Buren was cancelled and Bethesda was to make Fo3, I was shocked and pretty much assured that it'd suck ass. I've hated the idea of Bethesda's Fallout 3 ever since its creation.

However...

When I first played it (friend's copy of the game) I didn't think it was so bad actually. As a Fallout sequel, it sucked harder than a pornstar with diabetes trying desperately to get her insulin shot from a doodle.

As a Post Apoc game, it was actually quite good. Here's to hoping that someone mods it to remove ALL fallout references (other than humorous ones).
 
I guess it might play reasonably well on a console, but I'm really not liking int on the PC at all. As for the FO references, I think you'd have to redo the whole game to remove ALL of them. And if you did, you'd get an expansion pack for Oblivion.
 
I just had a discussion at imdb, where I pretty much said that this isn't a Fallout game at all, it's enjoyable only as a some other PA game, not as Fallout.. I got two responses that blew me away:

"I take it you haven't played FO3 then.


Please tell me how it's NOTHING like FO1+2. It has the same combat system, the same atmosphere, the same humor, the perks, the exploration, currency, skills, etc etc


Where does it change so drastically that it is "NOTHING LIKE first Fallout games"?

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Because to people like him, mainstream success = suck

If the elitists' opinion mattered, gaming would still be in the stone age comparative to what we have now"


It's hard to have higher standarts nowadays it seems.
I'm playing it, and I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit, but as soon as I try to compare it to original games, it makes me depressed. So I generally try not to do that while playing at least.
 
^ I'd agree and disagree. True, gaming is "for the masses", but please, there are still decent games out there. There will always be games like "Hellgate, London", but there will (hopefully) still exist people that can make something like The Witcher. Not all games have to be stupid. And, to be honest, where Fallout 3 fails most is in the fact that it's a game intended for age 18+ that feels like it's been made for ages 5-15, minus the gore.
 
"The Witcher" did kinda brought some hope to me that some people can still make decent RPG's nowadays. It's only other game after VTM: Bloodlines that I've played in which's storyline I was genuinely interested.
 
^ For European RPGs, yes. Some Japanese RPGs I've played recently had quite good stories, but they're a whole different animal.

And yes, Witcher was the only good RPG I've played since TOEE. The most amazing thing about it was that it managed to be a great game without being horribly buggy (like the aforementioned VtM:B).
 
Agreed on Witcher. Great game, decent story.
I'm annoyed that I can't find any references of becoming a porn star or a prize fighter in Fo3. I want to be something!!! :)

Edit: I still think that RPG gaming fell off a cliff after the BG and Fo series, some great games after them but BG was like the last RPG to give a background story to ANYONE that mattered in the game.
 
^ You can be a fag who loves teddy-bears and Barbie Launchers :P I haven't heard of custom reputations in FO3 though.
 
Multidirectional said:
I just had a discussion at imdb, where I pretty much said that this isn't a Fallout game at all, it's enjoyable only as a some other PA game, not as Fallout.. I got two responses that blew me away:

"I take it you haven't played FO3 then.


Please tell me how it's NOTHING like FO1+2. It has the same combat system, the same atmosphere, the same humor, the perks, the exploration, currency, skills, etc etc


Where does it change so drastically that it is "NOTHING LIKE first Fallout games"?

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Because to people like him, mainstream success = suck

If the elitists' opinion mattered, gaming would still be in the stone age comparative to what we have now"


It's hard to have higher standarts nowadays it seems.
I'm playing it, and I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit, but as soon as I try to compare it to original games, it makes me depressed. So I generally try not to do that while playing at least.
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Higher standards and impossible standards are two different things.

Bethesda could not release the fallout you wanted. Some things had to give. Buisnesses exist to make money. If they made the Fallout you wanted, it would not have sold. Bethesda would not have justified the massive amount of money spent on the liscense (enough to completely resurect Interplay).

What sells games these days? First person violence. Bethesda never had a choice and it was a bizare decision from a buisness stand point to buy the liscense to a ten year old pc rpg that only sold 250000 world wide....

We are lucky to have gotten a new fallout. It had to appeal to everyone, because Bethesda (like any company, even Interplay) exists to make money. Thats capitalism folks.
 
So I should like the game more because some pricks wanted to make more money? Fuck that.
I don't buy that, I'm pretty sure that decent amount of money can be made with good games too.
You think they would have made much less money by having stuff like better voice acting and writing in game?

Especially knowing that Fallout franchise developed a pretty big fanbase over those years, so it would sell even if they made turnbased isometric Fallout 3, also there are plenty of Beth fanboys who would purchase anything they make.
 
evilpumbaaa said:
What sells games these days? First person violence. Bethesda never had a choice and it was a bizare decision from a buisness stand point to buy the liscense to a ten year old pc rpg that only sold 250000 world wide....

We are lucky to have gotten a new fallout. It had to appeal to everyone, because Bethesda (like any company, even Interplay) exists to make money. Thats capitalism folks.
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Fallout was very succesful for its time.

In any case, this 'I need to appeal to everyone!!!' attitude is exactly what's wrong with the game industry. It makes for a ton of very similar games that are all aimed at the same group of people. Every game out there is competing with almost every other game.
Instead, a company could make a lot of money by going after a niche. Basic economics.

Also, the fact that Bethesda should have done this to make money doesn't make the game any more enjoyable.
 
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Extremely True. This pandering to the lowest common demonater is exactly the reason why fallout 3 fails as a fallout game.

It'll probably be, sales way, more profitable then fallout 1 and 2 ever were, but thats due to a changing market place and ideas/ideals that well, have been thrown out of the window in favor of general appeal.

How low can we really sink?

'tis just a game, but it's a perfect example of a simple minded approach to a once complex approach.

I've played fallout 3, and it FAILS.

We were right about everything we "complained" about. The first time I played the game, as soon as I got into the super duper market, i caught the fucking ai running in a infinite loop towards a table.

Nothing about this game feels right at all, it's sort of eerie, like dreaming about something that doesn't nor should exist.

Anyone notice the really retarded hairstyles that some of these raiders have?and the fact that most of them look more like the tribals?
 
Pablosdog said:
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Anyone notice the really retarded hairstyles that some of these raiders have?and the fact that most of them look more like the tribals?
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Wtf man? ain't it cool?!?! it's like punk combined with madmax!

So frigging awesome, i am so printing out this fallout 3 logo and putting over my bed! fuck yeah.



(sarcasm)
 
I wrote a long rant about it, but cut it down alot:

Pipboy navigation sucks.

Animations are horrable.

V.A.T.S stupid slowmotion ALL the time instead of on a critical or a gibbshot (witch there are way way way way to many off).

Getting a gorekill isn't somthing that happens now and then and you go fuck yhe take that you armless raider, it's more like wtf i only looked at him why did his head fall off ?

I havn't played enugh to say anything about quests except so far there pretty boring and non involving (daily quest hub in wow anyone ?) thats what megaton feels like at the start tbh i was tempted to blow up the bomb just for the sake of it, but i allways try and compleate rpgs as good non voilent first, for som reason.
It was nice how ever to get a house for your own, but when you realized that you only got it cus you couldn't sleep anywhere i got realy pissed of again. If i wana laydown on my jacket in a bush and rest why not ? Let my sleep be interupted by raiders or theefs trying to steal my shit, but don't forbide me to rest when i'm tired and need to rest up!

The combats are to much fps with the power to vats every now and then. the ai is retarded. and tbh there is a bit to much combat everywhere you go, wounder how it would be doing a wellspoken charismatic theef. i would have prefered TB

i was hoping it would be iso/tb obviusly i knew it wasn't gona happen along time ago, i was hoping that the V.A.T.S was a turnbase alternative that they just din't speak to much of just focusing on the action action action to lure brainlesssplatterpfsdorkfucks in the world of Fallout, but unfortunatly it wasn't like that, they used fallout name and fooled me in to spending money on the collectors edition just to get a pipboy doll.


so far
as a fallout game it fails utterly.
as a PA game 6.5/10 its kinda nice looking and who won't get a hardon from a PA city waste streetching to the horizon no matter the setting ?

somone will hoppfuly makes a mod for FO1 or 2 so i cba playing the storyline atleast
 
Personal experience so far:

Vault 101 was well done and enjoyable. Felt 'Fallout'.

Megaton as a whole was disappointing. Not much to do, boring characters, dialogue that sometimejust didn't make sense (how come I'm talking to the Sheriff about the bomb that my PC never knew existed?).

Wastelands are OK.

VATs works pretty well, to be honest.

Basically it's up and down. Not as compelling as the originals, but maybe I've changed as well as the franchise. Certainly not terrible.
 
Everyone knew this would be a different Fallout. If you didn't you were in denial. The comparisons and complaints are unfair.

We all had Fallout 1 and 2 over ten years ago, and nothing can change what great games those were. If you can accept that then Fallout 3 shouldn't be such the ego buster everyone is making it out to be.

I came into Fallout 3 with the lowest possible expectations and because of that I've been able to enjoy it quite a bit. They've built a wonderful world ... you just have to use your imagination a little bit. I mean, that's what you do when you read a book, right? If you take off those protective "cool-cult-classic-that-wasn't-massive-at the-time-so-it's-okay-for-me-to-deem-untouchable" goggles, you can see that Fallout had its share of flaws too. Christ, you can argue that it was a broken game; but it's what you make of it. I don't remember this "epic" story and character development from the first games that some of you do. Let's be honest, there was absolutely nothing to most of the characters. The most memorable one was the goddamn dog.

I just remember that Fallout was fun. It was an open world that asked to have the blanks filled in, and the rest took care of itself. So far I see not much difference in Fallout 3. Yes, maybe there is more mandatory combat than some (myself included) would like. Yes, the animations look stupid. Yes, everything is slo-mo over and over again in V.A.T.S. and it's not the turn-based system everyone loved.

If you're nitpicking over this stupid shit then you're asking for too much. Expect less and you'll wind up with more. Do some storytelling for yourself, don't expect the latest, greatest "unexpected", over-dramatic, underwhelming story-twisting blah blah blah blah.....

You know what, after all that, Fo3 sounds accurately faithful to me. Sometimes we choose perhaps to remember more than there really was?
 
maxwell said:
I came into Fallout 3 with the lowest possible expectations and because of that I've been able to enjoy it quite a bit.
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I stopped reading when I read this sentence.

If this is how you justify a $70 purchase, and have to convince yourself you made the right choice by telling yourself that 'it could be worse,' you need to stop deluding yourself, and go play something that is worth your time.
 
rcorporon said:
maxwell said:
I came into Fallout 3 with the lowest possible expectations and because of that I've been able to enjoy it quite a bit.
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I stopped reading when I read this sentence.

If this is how you justify a $70 purchase, and have to convince yourself you made the right choice by telling yourself that 'it could be worse,' you need to stop deluding yourself, and go play something that is worth your time.
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He has a point to an extent, I killed any hopes for this being a true Fallout long before it came out and decided to go in and play it just as a stand alone game.

Truth be told I am enjoying myself quite a bit, Ive poured several hours into this game and I am no where near done with my first play through. Honestly I cant wait to restart and get another shot at it playing as an evil character.

Anyways not to get into a long rant but while this game might not be for everyone it certainly is not a disappointment. Even some* long term old school players of the series like myself are finding greaet enjoyment in the game.
 
Mr. Teatime said:
Personal experience so far:

Vault 101 was well done and enjoyable. Felt 'Fallout'.
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Actually, the Vault WOULD be allright, if the dialogues would be less retarded, and if it felt a bit less fluffy (and if there's any more random Bible quotes, I'm not sure I wanna play this anymore). The whole deal with Butch, and then his mom getting attacked by roaches, all felt so cliche. I felt like I was watching a b-rate teenager movie.
 
maxwell said:
Everyone knew this would be a different Fallout. If you didn't you were in denial.
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As I've said before, I would love to see you people who come at us from different angles to have a go at each other for a while. For the longest time, our supposed failing was that we refused to acknowledge that it wouldn't follow squarely in the footsteps of the first two games, and we still have people telling us that we're stupid for refusing to acknowledge that we were given all that we (could possibly have) asked for.

maxwell said:
The comparisons and complaints are unfair.
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They're comparisons you should not be too surprised to find on a site for fans of the Fallout RPGs, I think.

maxwell said:
you can see that Fallout had its share of flaws too.
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Of course it had. Imagine someone building on and improving it, though, eh?

maxwell said:
Expect less and you'll wind up with more.
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If you believe that, cool.
 
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