possibly real and effective weapons and strategies that were unexplored in real world

Martin

It Wandered In From the Wastes
things like ironclad airships, submarine cruiser or carrier, nuclear powered aircraft, tactical nuke launchers and guns, push-pull engine for aircraft. any you can come up with. even if it was only on paper, i want to hear about it.

edit:i want things that werent mentioned in my post. some other. ty
 
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Submarine carriers and cruisers were done in real life, but are just ineffective. The size limitation of subs is just too constricting and modern fleets and technology make them useless as carriers and cruisers (although ballistic missile subs can function like that).
Ironclad airships don't work because they're too heavy, too slow, and too immobile. There were experiments on using airships as aircraft carriers, but airships just can't carry that much weight and are way too dangerous to operate.
Nuclear powered aircraft were a nice idea (and more or less tested as well by the US and Russia), but the invention of ICBMs made intercontinental strategic bombers obsolete, and they're useless for civilian service.

What would have been effective (but scrapped for political reasons; it was deemed too scary) was the nuclear ramjet cruise missile, Project Pluto. An open nuclear reactor would directly heat incoming air and thus produce thrust for a intercontinental cruise missile tha would travel at low altitudes at Mach 3. It would reach Russia and drop several thermonuclear bombs over russian cities and then continue to cruise over the land to irradiate it and destroy it with supersonic shockwaves until the fuel ran out or it crashed in some way.

What I find interesting is the russian cosmonaut laser pistol back from when Russia and the US were in full Cold War possible space combat mode. The cartridges were pyrotechnic flashbulbs that provided the pump light for a lasing cavity. It had minor burning power and was mostly intended to burn out cameras and sensors in space at a range up to 20m.
Of course, real life laser weapons will probably never happen due to various technical reasons, but I really llike this idea.
 
actually, ironclad airships existed. 4 of them. 2 actually flew, other two collapsed on themselfs. as for others, i dont really need to hear why it wont work. googled that shit. i am just interested in it, because it could be nice material for my fallout mod. as we know, in fallout ICBMs werent as developed as they are today, same with missiles, mostly acting like dumb rockets. so for example having few bombers able to fly for weeks or months would be invaluable in such case.
 
Those metallic airships weren't exactly "ironclad", though, in the usual sense of the word that they were armoured. Old airship gasbags were made of goldbeater's skin, and those gasbags were inside a rigid aluminium frame clad with painted cloth. The idea of metal-clad airships was a bit of a combination of a rigid airship and a blimp, with the pressure inside providing stability, but not all of it.
Probably a better construction than purely rigid designs, but airships just weren't viable anymore due to airplanes beign faster and safer than airships.
Airships had style, though, at least the LZ127 "Graf Zeppelin" had. LZ129 "Hindenburg" was bigger but also already more spartanic than LZ127, and it wasn't exactly very comfortable to travel with those things.
 
Those metallic airships weren't exactly "ironclad", though, in the usual sense of the word that they were armoured. Old airship gasbags were made of goldbeater's skin, and those gasbags were inside a rigid aluminium frame clad with painted cloth. The idea of metal-clad airships was a bit of a combination of a rigid airship and a blimp, with the pressure inside providing stability, but not all of it.
Probably a better construction than purely rigid designs, but airships just weren't viable anymore due to airplanes beign faster and safer than airships.
Airships had style, though, at least the LZ127 "Graf Zeppelin" had. LZ129 "Hindenburg" was bigger but also already more spartanic than LZ127, and it wasn't exactly very comfortable to travel with those things.
sure. still. we are talking about things that will be used in world where robots exist even tho modern computers dont, where civilization nuked itself and 200 years after it there are areas looking better than syria looks today so, oh well. also, airships were used even tho planes came. in ww2 they were spotters for convoys and were mine sweepers and mine droppers (not really the word but you get the meaning) maybe if more research went into it it could prove as feasible design? or strapping nuclear reactor to it could work too. still, dont want to hear why it wont work, i want to hear any more not so well known things like this.
 
sure. still. we are talking about things that will be used in world where robots exist even tho modern computers dont, where civilization nuked itself and 200 years after it there are areas looking better than syria looks today so, oh well.
Oh, do we? Your original post doesn't mention that anywhere. Should I move this to the Fallout subforum, then? *moved*
Anyway, it's kind of hard to talk about what could work in Fallout and what not since their physics work differently from ours (and their physics are mostly based on how cool it would look on a '50s pulp cover).
So yeah, strapping a nuclear reactor of some sort to an airship can totally work, as would armouring the airship's hull.
I don't quite get this thread, though. What should it be about, precisely?
 
Oh, do we? Your original post doesn't mention that anywhere. Should I move this to the Fallout subforum, then? *moved*
Anyway, it's kind of hard to talk about what could work in Fallout and what not since their physics work differently from ours (and their physics are mostly based on how cool it would look on a '50s pulp cover).
So yeah, strapping a nuclear reactor of some sort to an airship can totally work, as would armouring the airship's hull.
I don't quite get this thread, though. What should it be about, precisely?
no. it shouldnt be in fallout forum, because i am interested in any actually projects. got it? any. from any age, any state. just from real world.
 
no. it shouldnt be in fallout forum, because i am interested in any actually projects. got it? any. from any age, any state. just from real world.
Ok, then I'll move it back.
Though then I don't get why you were talking about things being used in the world of Fallout...
So what about the Ford Nucleon, a design study for a nuclear powered car. Is that the kind of stuff you had in mind for this thread?
 
Ok, then I'll move it back.
yes. any experiments or projects that were canceled and are remotely feasible in reality. purpose is info gathering for my other mod for hearts of iron 3 that i am developing as a spinoff of fallout mod, prolonging time frame of the game (original was 1936 to 1948-my mod should go from pre ww1 to cold war) along with upgrading mechanics and giving players ability to try unconventional ways of managing country and army.
 
Unexplored, yet everything you mention has been done or investigated?
things like ironclad airships,
Already covered above.

submarine cruiser or carrier,
Done in WW2, though only 1 to 3 aircraft could be carried at any time.

nuclear powered aircraft,
Investigated by the US Air Force, but the sheer weight required to shield the reactor caused a lot of issues. The role they foresaw for this aircraft was then taken up by nuclear subs, who didn't give a shit about weight for obvious reasons.
There are some interesting documentaries about how the air force tried to get around the weight issue.

tactical nuke launchers and guns,
You mean backpack nukes & the M-29 Davy Crockett Weapon System?
Yeah, been done before.
If the wind was in the wrong direction, the people firing the M-29 were inside the 'danger' area.

push-pull engine for aircraft.
There have been a gazillion of those.

All the above are certainly viable with some more research, but most of them are impractical.
I mean, the US went as far as developing nuclear powered ramjet cruise missiles, but since they need to be light, they were unshielded. As a result, they'd have irradiated everything they flew over.
I suggest you do a bit of research, there's some really funky shit out there. :)
 
you cant read.
Seriously, mate, your english isn't exactly the best, and it's still not entirely clear what you're getting at with this thread. So how about you try to properly write down what you want from this thread so people actually engage in it?
 
Look up Project Habakkuk.
It was a WW2 project to build a aircraft carrier made out of Pykrete, which is a mixture of ice and wood pulp. A prototype or model or something was made in Canada and it worked pretty well and it was almost undamageable because it would repair itself somehow or would require minimum effort to repair while at the sea (can't remember very well) but it would have taken too long to make a fleet out of it so it never happened.

The Goliath tracked mine was a german explosive vehicle remote controlled through a wire using a Joystick, it was used to go under tanks or to destroy bridges and buildings:
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Seriously, mate, your english isn't exactly the best, and it's still not entirely clear what you're getting at with this thread. So how about you try to properly write down what you want from this thread so people actually engage in it?
possibly real and effective weapons and strategies that were unexplored in real world. things like ironclad airships, submarine cruiser or carrier, nuclear powered aircraft, tactical nuke launchers and guns, push-pull engine for aircraft. any you can come up with. even if it was only on paper, i want to hear about it.
tell me, what could be point of my post. when you yourself got to point of bringing that nuclear car and i said "yes thats it" for everyone to see. i admit, first two sentences imply that i dont know any actuall projects. however, next two imply that i want any other projects aside from the ones mentioned. as for those which i mentioned, they are examples. as for my english, yes, its not great, but i got my point across. atleast in paradox forums.
 
Look up Project Habakkuk.
It was a WW2 project to build a aircraft carrier made out of Pykrete, which is a mixture of ice and wood pulp. A prototype or model or something was made in Canada and it worked pretty well and it was almost undamageable because it would repair itself somehow or would require minimum effort to repair while at the sea (can't remember very well) but it would have taken too long to make a fleet out of it so it never happened.

The Goliath tracked mine was a german explosive vehicle remote controlled through a wire using a Joystick, it was used to go under tanks or to destroy bridges and buildings:
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the mythbusters actually looked in that pykrete ship and it actually worked. if it was in cold enough weather it could work.
goloath is too pretty interesting thing. controlled by wire combat drone. but real life effectiveness was questionable since wire could be cut by bullets. but it was foundation of wire controlled drones.
 
possibly real and effective weapons and strategies that were unexplored in real world. things like ironclad airships, submarine cruiser or carrier, nuclear powered aircraft, tactical nuke launchers and guns, push-pull engine for aircraft. any you can come up with. even if it was only on paper, i want to hear about it.
tell me, what could be point of my post. when you yourself got to point of bringing that nuclear car and i said "yes thats it" for everyone to see. i admit, first two sentences imply that i dont know any actuall projects. however, next two imply that i want any other projects aside from the ones mentioned. as for those which i mentioned, they are examples. as for my english, yes, its not great, but i got my point across. atleast in paradox forums.
I only understood it from your later posts, after misunderstanding it to the point where I moved the thread to a different subforum and back. Apparently you are researching stuff for a Fallout-themed Hearts of Iron 3 mod. You want weird given-up engineering and military projects that would fit into the world of Fallout. The problem is that your initial post, no matter how bold and large you write it, doesn't really get that across at all. It sounds like you want a discussion, but you said you don't want to discuss why they failed because it's about the world of Fallout (something you never mentioned in the first post). So how about you try to be a little less irritated with our ignorance of your inner workings and properly write down what you want. YOU want something from US, and sometimes people don't have too much patience with a noob asking for information in broken english and then acting belligerent when he's misunderstood.
Show a little respect for the people you ask to do your research for you, hmkay?

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As for the Goliath tracked mine, they also came with radio control, not just wire control.
 
I only understood it from your later posts, after misunderstanding it to the point where I moved the thread to a different subforum and back. Apparently you are researching stuff for a Fallout-themed Hearts of Iron 3 mod. You want weird given-up engineering and military projects that would fit into the world of Fallout. The problem is that your initial post, no matter how bold and large you write it, doesn't really get that across at all. It sounds like you want a discussion, but you said you don't want to discuss why they failed because it's about the world of Fallout (something you never mentioned in the first post). So how about you try to be a little less irritated with our ignorance of your inner workings and properly write down what you want. YOU want something from US, and sometimes people don't have too much patience with a noob asking for information in broken english and then acting belligerent when he's misunderstood.
Show a little respect for the people you ask to do your research for you, hmkay?

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As for the Goliath tracked mine, they also came with radio control, not just wire control.
sure, mate. sorry for breathing.
 
Well, looks like you really took my friendly advice to heart. Good luck in your future endeavours, then.
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But since I'm a really nice guy (and a sucker for weird engineering), I'd also like to mention the Flying Jeep Project that spawned the VZ-6 to VZ-8 "flying car" prototypes.
The VZ series of experimental aircraft is quite interesting in general, starting with the hilarious VZ-1.
Oh, and the HZ-1 Aerocycle. What could possibly go wrong with that design?
 
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