Research - Deathclaw

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Research Report - Deathclaws

In FO2, when you visit Vault 13, you can speak with Joseph who is working as a healer for the talking deathclaw community. He is an herbalist, not a doctor or a biologist. When asked about Deathclaws, he mentions his theory that DC's come from a species called Jackson's Chameleons:
"Well, let's see... Deathclaws appear to be mutated Jackson's Chameleons, the horned variety. There are a lot of similarities still present, but an even greater number of differences. The mutation factor is quite high."
While most people seem to accept that as fact, my research challenges that assumption. While Joseph was right about the many differences, there are few similarities. Joseph's opinion should be seen as an educated guess by a wasteland dweller who probably saw an image somewhere and thought the horns were significant. IMHO, his guess is wrong.

Yes, the JC does have horns, but usually only the males have them anyway. There are a host of other problems:
1. They are not desert dwellers. Native habitat is in cooler, humid regions of East Africa, especially high altitudes.
2. They are tree-dwellers prefering to stay off the ground.
3. They are SLOW-moving quadripeds.
4. They rarely eat anything other than insects.
5. Unusual tongue: 1.5 times body length with a sticky tip used to snare prey.
6. Unusual eyes: independently moving conical eye pods.
7. Unusual feet: toes are fused together to form pincer like feet for gripping branches.
8. JC's don't lay eggs! They give birth to live young.

If all that weren't enough, the JC is a shy and fragile creature. Captive ones tend to get sick and die from "stress".

The whole issue is made more convincing by a solid alternative: the collared lizard. The common collared lizard (Crotaphytus collaris) is native to the American southwest. They have *none* of the aforementioned problems. The thing is practically an infant DC, a semi-bipedal, fast, aggressive lizard with a taste for meat. Some of these have very long claws. Of course, with mutations, one can argue that anything is possible. It's just a matter of what is most *probable*. See for yourself and decide which looks more like a DC ancestor.

In addition to discounting the JC origin, I'd like to raise another issue. Some readers may know of a FO2 strategy guide that I'm told says the following: "Deathclaws were originally created to replace humans during close-combat search-and-destroy missions. They were derived from mixed animal stock and then refined by the Master, using genetic manipulation."
While there are those who may consider this canon, I consider it crap. (Matt Norton should be hauled before a Fallout Inquisition and made to recant :-))

The concept of atomic radiation UNINTENTIONALLY creating dangerous creatures (or the blasts awaking pre-historic ones) is such a common mid-century theme for films, comics, etc. (and concept behind the game "I Was an Atomic Mutant"). Besides, we already have plenty of skullduggery by the government and creature engineering by the Master. Part of the theme of Fallout is the disaster we have wrought through atomic warfare. The emergence of a new top-of-the-foodchain creature from the irradiated wasteland fits very well with that. I believe that DC's evolved from irradiated creatures native to the US. However, even if you are prone to think that the original DC's were engineered, why would anyone start with a JC, and how likely is it they would end up with a DC if they did?


Note 1: There is no evidence that DC's have any chameleon-like abilities which would tie them to JC's (though that would be cool). Like other large predators, deathclaws seem to stalk their prey carefully using natural cover and then strike using incredible speed to close the distance to the target.

Note 2: In FO2, we learn that some deathclaws were captured by the Enclave and genetically engineered for greater intelligence. However, this is only the story of "intelligent" deathclaw origin.

Note 3: In the 1970's, JC's became popular in the international pet trade. At one point, they were released in Hawaii and established a wild population there.


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Some fun quotes I found:

Arizona Herpetological Association:
"Collared lizards are aggressive feeders, attacking and devouring other lizards species like a mini T-Rex. In fact, some seem to prefer small lizards to insects. Pugnacious in many ways..."

Reptile Information Database at www.herphabitats.com:
"Collards are voracious feeders and anything that they can fit in their mouths is food."
"Some collards may also occasionally eat plant matter and vertebrate prey such as other lizards and small rodents."
"They are agile athletes and furtive hunters..."
"Females are less brightly coloured than males and are usually a green to brown or fawn colour, except in mating season when they develop vivid orange or red bands and spots across their necks, backs and sides."


It seems JC's are territorial, but just get into shoving matches with encroaching males. I also noted that larger chameleons can take down a small bird, but this is rare. Most reports have JC's just sticking with insects.
 
Maybe the deathclaws are a mix of both the collar lizard and Jackson's chameleon?

Anyway, good points. I don't like most of what FO2 did with deathclaws either, from the talking ones to them being an experiment and even the Master tinkering with them.
 
Sorry, just one more thing and then I'm done (I swear).

"Day the World Ended" is a 1955 film (B-grade) about a handful of atomic war survivors. They are menaced by a radiation-created monster that looks a little familiar. Well, except for the third eye (:=o

Day the World Ended
 
I'm talking about the 2nd ed. Tarrasque. D&D 3rd ed. was published 3 years after Fallout :) .
 
Sorrow said:
I'm talking about the 2nd ed. Tarrasque. D&D 3rd ed. was published 3 years after Fallout :) .
Ah, right.
But I was refering to the historical one. (The Tarasque was a sort of dragon with six short legs like a bear's, an ox-like body covered with a turtle shell, and a scaly tail that ended in a scorpion's sting. It had a lion's head.)

The only D&D tarrasque I could find is a wee little bit larger than a deathclaw. (about 5 times bigger)

Btw, why are the deathclaw's claws considdered a mêlée weapon in the pnp? (and what would they fall under with the revised skills, which eliminated mêlée)
 
The one from AD&D 2nd Monstrous Manual looks very similar to deathclaw. Also, it's confirmed by Fallout Bible...
 
Wooz said:
onisuzume said:
why are the deathclaw's claws considdered a mêlée weapon in the pnp?

What did you expect? Unarmed?
Well, yeah. Or at least in the revised skills for the fallout pnp. Maybe as brawling.. but I wouldn't know of any other skill that it could fall under. (sword, axe, knife...) Not to mention the text that the "Talon of Fear" perk has.

Also, would an intelligent deathclaw be able to drive a car/tank? (IN 5+) They can get the "Leadfoot" and "stunt devil" perks after all...

As for the JC vs. CL debate; the CL sounds more logical.
 
The deathclaws are far too fertile to have been created by the master(there are baby deathclaws all over FO2), unless he didn't use the FEV virus to create them, which would be unusual because he would have required some serious knowledge of genetics other than "Hey, go jump into that vat over there." Then again, he is Richard Grey.
 
I doubt the Master created deathclaws at all. They were completely unknown to mutants.
All Master's creations worked for him - supermutants, centaurs, floaters...

On the other hand deathclaws are just ferocious, murderous monsters that don't serve any cause.
IMO they are simply mutated by radiation.
 
According to FO2 lore they were genetically engineered before the War by the US Army.
 
As previously mentioned in this thread, it's said in the official FO2 strategy guide, written by Matt Norton, the FO2 lead designer, which makes it about as canon as FO2 itself or at least as the FO2 manual. It was also repeated in-game in Tactics.
 
Yes, but the FOT ones must be a very different creature. Who was it that coined the term "deathgoats" for them?

Perhaps the hairy FOT deathgoats came from a top-secret research facility, where would-be super-soldiers stared at goats...but the goats have had their revenge.
http://www.jonronson.com/goats_04.html

With the help of a Brit journalist we can now snicker and laugh. Quite a fun read actually.
 
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