Special Unarmed maneuvers

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I would like to credit APTYP for this idea, which I think should be heard again.
His idea was that there could be special close-combat moves such as:

#1: "Human Shield"
You grab the target and your AC is substantially improved. The stronger you are, the more AP it takes them to wrestle free. This may mean having BOTH weapon slots empty.
Out of combat, you would automaticaly cover their mouth to stop them making a noise. Then you could slit their throat, or put a gun to their back to hold them hostage etc.

#2: "Disarm"
You attempt to knock the weapon from your opponent's hands. Of course, you may miss, and some weapons would be harder to disarm, eg. sledgehammer, grenade.

#3: "Throw"
You grab the raider and flip him over your shoulder, having the same effect as knocking them to the ground. Of course, this would require a good strength stat (at least 7), to pull off, and would require both item slots empty.

Thoughts? Additions? Ideas?

-Smaug

"I am become death. The destroyer of worlds."
 
i'd like to see that when u punch a rat your char actually attacks it instead of attacking the air above it :)
 
>i'd like to see that when
>u punch a rat your
>char actually attacks it instead
>of attacking the air above
>it :)

Those were actually limitations of the sprite-based engine Fallout used. It would require about

(6 directions for the character to face) X (~15-20 different "costumes") X (at least 3 different frames of animation) = 270 new frames of animation to render.

Kind of much for a rat.. :)

Now if they neglected that for a 3D engine...

-Xotor-

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i think those are all great ideas, however i think there is one little problem.... there are so many items in the game to entice you away from hand to hand. personally, why would i want to use nothing when i can use a plasma cannon or rocket launcher?

and about the throw idea, i think it shouldn't be about strength more than it should be agility. cos in that karate and judo stuff, they teach you it really isn't about strength more so technique. that and when i think of the more brute strenght charaters in the game you don't really think of them as having much technique, just big mothers with hammers and what not...
 
Well, in reality you may be right, but in the game it's refreshing and challenging to play as an unarmed warrior.

And you are right, with proper technique you can throw someone quite easily without being especially strong, but of all things I doubt martial arts would be a common practice in a post-nuclear environment.
Still, you might find a place where you could learn the throw techinique if you weren't strong enough.

-Smaug

"I am become death. The destroyer of worlds."
 
Hey why not add in ranged attacks?

I don't mean things like "dragon punch" & "sonic boom", but things like flying kick and throwing stars...
 
Too "martial-artish".



http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/ForumID5/786.shtml#11

zero-x's bitter words after his encounter with roshambo:

"I agree with you but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you didnt really criticize me and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my ideas when i didnt say shit to em and yes he is the kind of guy i would take a scalpel tear his head open the take an hammer use the end to samsh through the medulla and use the nail pull as a pry to pull back the top of the skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow it through his fucking spine as he still breath and then rip out his heart and show him how black it is before he dies but as you said thats illegal well cya"
 
The only thing I came up with is "Crushing strike", that has a very high chance of breaking a limb.

> there are so many items in the game to entice you away from
> hand to hand.

...unless you are out of ammo, or the gun is jammed or just plain broken, or you want a sure hit with high critical chance. Of course, it is also a matter of personal preference. Just remember, that you are not limited to guns.



http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/ForumID5/786.shtml#11

zero-x's bitter words after his encounter with roshambo:

"I agree with you but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you didnt really criticize me and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my ideas when i didnt say shit to em and yes he is the kind of guy i would take a scalpel tear his head open the take an hammer use the end to samsh through the medulla and use the nail pull as a pry to pull back the top of the skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow it through his fucking spine as he still breath and then rip out his heart and show him how black it is before he dies but as you said thats illegal well cya"
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-01 AT 01:12PM (GMT)[p]A freeing maneuver - you try to break out from surrounding creatures by pushing each one of them a couple of hexes away if they are not strong enough to hold you (contest of strengths).

This is not a knocking or attacking move, mind you - the creature does not fall and does not lose action points or health points. A Throw move would do all that, and it requires no strength contest - you can throw even a Hercules with proper training and necessary physical requirements.



http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/ForumID5/786.shtml#11

zero-x's bitter words after his encounter with roshambo:

"I agree with you but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you didnt really criticize me and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my ideas when i didnt say shit to em and yes he is the kind of guy i would take a scalpel tear his head open the take an hammer use the end to samsh through the medulla and use the nail pull as a pry to pull back the top of the skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow it through his fucking spine as he still breath and then rip out his heart and show him how black it is before he dies but as you said thats illegal well cya"
 
So does you enemies have this "break-off ability" when you "human shield" them?

As you said about crushing blow I thought of something, some moves to do after you perform a successful human shield:

Joints twisting: 100% cripple for a desired limb. Will have a small chance to perform fatal spine/neck breaking.

Finger breaking/twisting: Victim suffers great pain and will lose some APs on the following turn, lowers victim PE. (This one is actually true...)

Also a "ranged" attack (Maybe 2 hex) :

Body slam: 100% knockdown effect on victim, unfortunately user may suffer cripple limb if the impact angle is wrong.
 
>So does you enemies have this "break-off ability" when you "human shield" them?<

Hmm... well if they did, it might end up just not being worth it if the enemy is just going to get out on the next turn.

>Joints twisting: 100% cripple for a desired limb. Will have a small chance to perform fatal spine/neck breaking.<

Not 100% chance, it could never be a sure thing, and this would have to learned somewhere. Your average Joe Wanderer wouldn't be able to break someone's neck.

>Finger breaking/twisting: Victim suffers great pain and will lose some APs on the following turn, lowers victim PE. (This one is actually true...)<

Nah, that's a bit too.. precise for me. I mean, if I was in a fight to the death with a savage desert marauder, I probably wouldn't be concerned with breaking his fingers :) Just stick to the crushing blow if you ask me.

<Body slam: 100% knockdown effect on victim, unfortunately user may suffer cripple limb if the impact angle is wrong.>

Maybe.. but you don't want too many of these moves.

-Smaug

"I am become death. The destroyer of worlds."
 
Yeah, let's not get too "martial art-ish" here. A good move here, a good move there... Neck Snap sounds like a great move, though it's just a powerful version of Crushing Strike I described above.

What bothers me is the interface and the whole representation of Human Shield. How would that look like?..



http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/ForumID5/786.shtml#11

zero-x's bitter words after his encounter with roshambo:

"I agree with you but there comes a fuckin point i dont know who roquirbo thinks he is but I at least you didnt really criticize me and i appreciate that i hate people who fuck with my ideas when i didnt say shit to em and yes he is the kind of guy i would take a scalpel tear his head open the take an hammer use the end to samsh through the medulla and use the nail pull as a pry to pull back the top of the skull revealing a brain (small but brain nontheless)and take desert eagle magnum and blow it through his fucking spine as he still breath and then rip out his heart and show him how black it is before he dies but as you said thats illegal well cya"
 
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