Technical Problems with FOOL(Don't delete! It's legit!)

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Don't delete this, Rosh, it's legitimately addressing technical problems.

Number one: Travel

Good solution? Make days go faster. Even 15 min. nights and days might be good, and if they unrealistically bump up world map travel time a bit more, it would work.

Number two: KillFest

Duh, everyone shud be idel thatd work eh eh eh eh?

No, seriously.

Have murder seriously affect karma, decrease one's luck, and make random encounters more dangerous. Have cops shoot known murderers on sight. Have cop-killing make one known as a murderer throughout the state, (if it's a U.S. map) by the end of the day, and blossom out to all adjacent states if it happens again within another day, the whole craze dying down after two real-time weeks. Make subduing\running from cops after murdering people in their lines of sight also make one known as a murderer but not give the "Cop Killer" karma trait. Finally, make each square on the world map grid have approximately 1000 pixels and only have two players encounter each other when they simlutaneously cross the same pixel. Victims of chance encounters with PK's will be rather far away from them on the encounter map, and will be able to run. However, PK's may purchase exorbitant "motion sensors" which give them a grid square's range of sight, with the ability to intercept others and attack them.

As for two players who want to have a redneck duel (only done in alleys of cities and in backwater towns), if they both go into combat mode and select the "challenge" button, then one clicks on the other, who gets the message in their text box and may click the now-lit-up challenge button on their screen to accept and go hostile with the other player. If their stray shots accidentally hit other players, those players have the choice to enter into the brawl or run for cover (note: stray shots will never kill\disable bystanders). If they hit sheriffs, the guy who was missed, the shot intended for him hitting the cop, gets a new ally in combat. This, however, only flags the offender as a bad person IF he ends up shooting the cop. Just subduing the cop might make the guy an enemy of the town, but it won't give him a bad world reputation. NOTE: After killing five people in duels, one will receive the "dueler" karmic perk which lowers their karma but increases their reaction with backwater NPC's for every further "duel" victory.

Note: some towns have no police forces.

DEATH: The bad part of life.

Why kill if not for items? When a PK gets lucky and ices a player, he is entitled to xp equaling the player's level multiplied by 100 and all of the player's possessions EXCEPT the armor, anything in the two "weapon" slots, half of all unloaded ammunition, and anything in the four "safety" slots, a new feature. Players can stash in these slots any items weighing below 40lbs. A special perk might increase the number of four safeties to five and the weight limit to 50, or maybe even another 20 for each level.

The victim loses all that is taken, except the experience. If posessions remain untaken on the corpse, the player may keep them.

Weight carry limits are also decreased to stop huge loots.
 
Nope:

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Not even close to anything near the discussions.
In fact, death wasn't a main technical concern. Combat was, and so was the size of the world. I even see that you haven't read some of the discussion about "FOOL: Cities" either, addressing serious issues about a 'world map'.

Better luck next time.
In fact, you only have one more chance - I suggest you use it wisely.

And it's been noted that you're doing just about every other thing someone's done - disregard technical things and go off about features and realy, really minor bullshit like perks and crap like that.

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RE: Nope:

Ok thanks a lot you just gave me some ideas for Fallout P & P. Anyway i though Fool topics weren't allowed here. That is why i'm noy posting any comments about your FOOL ideas, because it is not allowed. I'm surprised that you haven't been banned by now. I mean i'm not saying that we shouldn't be able to post about FOOL. But we can't, we're not allowed. If you dissagree go take the matter to Miroslav. oh yeah you did, what did he say

>watching all those fool posts became a
>annoying
>most of them are all the same

well that's Miroslav's opinon and mine. So start obeying the rules. you have a good Fan Fic that you can continue, it would be ashame by it having to end prematurly with your ban.

Sorry but i'm fed up of FOOL.

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RE: Nope:

I don't give a damn about the god-forsaken fic, if the mods stop using me as an example and start getting rid of FOOL as a whole rather than the current time's most active supporters (and only deleting posts when they're put into the category of "verbal masturbation" and address little or no technical issues, rather than giving 80% tech stuff and another 20% of FOOL-play content, disregarding the solving of one or two problems just because the post might not have solved every single one), while coming up with reasons that will put "quiet" supporters down and maybe even let them (without attempted ostracizion for voicing complaints or solutions for anti-FOOL "newly discovered technical problems") explain why they think that FOOL is a reasonable concept, and then point out the wrongs in those ideas (BUT WITHOUT THE INSULT TO CHARACTER PART! That's what aggravates the little fools, pun intended).

I'll give up, just forgive me as a poster--but do NOT forgive FOOL. I honestly think it's an impossibility for Fo:T's successor to be FOOL, and think that it's a severe improbability that we'll get FOOL instead of Fo4; what it is that I'm asking for is for you to suppress FOOL without using your abilities as mods to scare people into submission (as a side note, has anyone ever been banned for taking FOOL support a little too far?). Instead of using them, I think that talking people out of it might work.

Still, I can see that this would pave way for the "FOlO is GOOD coz then ud getto PK And weere GOOD AT falUT so WEd be like GOod players and be gOdO pkays mmmmmmmmkay?" posts (pardon long title) yet again, so I suppose that if someone takes it too far it would be VERY reasonable to warn them from the bullshit posts with mod powers. You have to admit that it's the BS posts that are what made you dislike FOOL at the beginning, and I completely agree with that.

Well, what was originally meant as a little post has turned into one of my raves, so I'll sum it up with the main points:

A: I demand another "chance." Not two more, just one. I took pro-FOOL devotion farther than I should have and I'm lucky not to have inspired the low-IQ pro-FOOL fools into their BS posts again. I sincerely apologize for arguing the case blindly at times.

B: I say this now (but I might not later), and I say it loudly: I am begging you to consider my proposal of talking down FOOL. If you grant me "A" then I'll turn back into my anti-FOOL self (because I think that two chance deductions were a little bit much, the deletion of that masturbation I posted earlier shouldn't have accompanied it), but if you can talk me out of it, I'll probably give up on "B" too.

C: FOOL is an impossibility in the near future. Sorry, GEEZMOU (say, what happened to him anyway?). I'm trying to give up and still attempt to preserve "freedom of speech without the removal of graffiti fines" because while I tried to find ways around FOOL's technical problems, I did not think of it as a near-future possibility, as I've already stated... more than you guys deserve, sorry. The last thing I wanted (or want... although I doubt that this post will lose me a "chance") is to suffer martyrdom for FOOL.

This would have been my third "short 'n' snappy closing sentence" but it wasn't.

-8-Ball
 
RE: Nope:

>I don't give a damn about
>the god-forsaken fic, if the
>mods stop using me as
>an example and start getting
>rid of FOOL as a
>whole

We were. Until you showed up. That's why the threads were locked and on their way down.

>rather than the current
>time's most active supporters (and
>only deleting posts when they're
>put into the category of
>"verbal masturbation" and address little
>or no technical issues, rather
>than giving 80% tech stuff
>and another 20% of FOOL-play
>content, disregarding the solving of
>one or two problems just
>because the post might not
>have solved every single one),

Bullshit. It went against the forum description and I had made several mentions that this board was going to be kept off-limits to FOOL as well. As it was not heeded, then it had to be handled.

>while coming up with reasons
>that will put "quiet" supporters
>down and maybe even let
>them (without attempted ostracizion for
>voicing complaints or solutions for
>anti-FOOL "newly discovered technical problems")
>explain why they think that
>FOOL is a reasonable concept,
>and then point out the
>wrongs in those ideas (BUT
>WITHOUT THE INSULT TO CHARACTER
>PART! That's what aggravates the
>little fools, pun intended).

It was recommended that you read the long list of archived material which brought up several key points and problems of FOOL. It's been repeated here ad nauseum, and if they want to see FOOL posts, they can check the archives.

>I'll give up, just forgive me
>as a poster--but do NOT
>forgive FOOL. I honestly think
>it's an impossibility for Fo:T's
>successor to be FOOL, and
>think that it's a severe
>improbability that we'll get FOOL
>instead of Fo4; what it
>is that I'm asking for
>is for you to suppress
>FOOL without using your abilities
>as mods to scare people
>into submission (as a side
>note, has anyone ever been
>banned for taking FOOL support
>a little too far?). Instead
>of using them, I think
>that talking people out of
>it might work.

Uh...do you even read the board? Xotor and I might be a bit more thorough, be we are FAR from all that has argued against FOOL. Perhaps the name "Barry Day", aka Old-School Role-Player, doesn't ring a bell? I thought not.

>Still, I can see that this
>would pave way for the
>"FOlO is GOOD coz then
>ud getto PK And weere
>GOOD AT falUT so WEd
>be like GOod players and
>be gOdO pkays mmmmmmmmkay?" posts
>(pardon long title) yet again,
>so I suppose that if
>someone takes it too far
>it would be VERY reasonable
>to warn them from the
>bullshit posts with mod powers.

Question is: *Which* bullshit posts?

Those that keep going on about features and such and never discuss or bother to address the technical problems whatsoever?

>You have to admit that
>it's the BS posts that
>are what made you dislike
>FOOL at the beginning, and
>I completely agree with that.

Somewhat. But even higher is the frequency of posts that will come on and talk about features, get handed a list of technical problems, then whine and snivel how people don't like Fallout.

>Well, what was originally meant as
>a little post has turned
>into one of my raves,
>so I'll sum it up
>with the main points:
>
>A: I demand another "chance." Not
>two more, just one. I
>took pro-FOOL devotion farther than
>I should have and I'm
>lucky not to have inspired
>the low-IQ pro-FOOL fools into
>their BS posts again. I
>sincerely apologize for arguing the
>case blindly at times.

According to the books, you only have one left.

>B: I say this now (but
>I might not later), and
>I say it loudly: I
>am begging you to consider
>my proposal of talking down
>FOOL. If you grant me
>"A" then I'll turn back
>into my anti-FOOL self (because
>I think that two chance
>deductions were a little bit
>much, the deletion of that
>masturbation I posted earlier shouldn't
>have accompanied it), but if
>you can talk me out
>of it, I'll probably give
>up on "B" too.

To repeat everything that's gone on for the last two years plus? No thank you, and I think it's been about time where most people that visit this site are pretty frigging sick of that shit clogging up half the board.


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RE: Nope:

Are you intoning that my posts didn't adress technical issues? Both did, including the big one you deleted... although not as minorly. And I HAVE apologized for it.

Ah, screw that. Have it your way. I give up entirely EXCEPT for the reinstating of one chance. Give it back, and the only mention of FOOL I ever put on this board in the future will be when I'm shooting down a BS posts's technical so-called "solutions."

Please accept this. It's probably going to be my last offer.

And, would you mind answering my question about whether or not you'd ever banned anyone on FOOL offenses or not?
 
Xotor:

I've gone through enough here for my fill.

Would you mind taking over, if but to give another viewpoint? Thanks.

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RE: Nope:

>Ah, screw that. Have it your
>way. I give up entirely
>EXCEPT for the reinstating of
>one chance. Give it back,
>and the only mention of
>FOOL I ever put on
>this board in the future
>will be when I'm shooting
>down a BS posts's technical
>so-called "solutions."

You have to understand where we're coming from. It really gets annoying when schmucks come on the board and start ranting on that they want FOOL and about the "features" of FOOL, when they don't realize that FOOL will not be a larger version of Fallout 1 or Fallout 2, it will be a collection of *humans* all wanting to be the Vault Dweller. Therefore that means there is no story, no NPCs and all that goes on is people wander around and kill things. That gets really boring so people get it in their heads that it would be fun to kill other players and since you can get free stuff off their corpses, why not?

Look, I'll accept, even promote FOOL if I hear even one good method by which to make it stay true to "Fallout" in an online scene without resorting to programming the game designers into the game to make a good storyline for every player, or ideal players, or draconian measures that would simply force people to go raider hunting.

Here's the deal: I don't particularly like answering the same questions over and over again. Therefore, if you're going to talk about FOOL, you had better have the unifying solution, or you better not even say it at all. It's annoying showing how it cannot work over and over, and quite frankly, I'd like to see it work, but I know it wouldn't.

*I'd* play FOOL if it had ideal players, and players taking on the roles of pimps, and farmers, and other roles, but that simply won't happen, and nobody would buy the game simply to serve one player's game (someone suggested that for themselves).

The truth is that the moderators have short memories, except when you peeve us off. So if you just let it lie for a month or so, we'll probably forget about it. Rosh has declared no FOOL allowed before, and it usually applies for about three weeks before we forget about it, and of course someone appears spouting FOOL, we argue, we get sick of it, the FOOL promoter calls us Nazis, he gets banned, and we declare no FOOL allowed again.

Take your chance, don't waste it.

>And, would you mind answering my
>question about whether or not
>you'd ever banned anyone on
>FOOL offenses or not?

Not for mentioning FOOL, but usually they get themselves banned because they start whining about how we're Nazis for not accepting their pipe dream that FOOL will simply not be Fallout 2 with real people. Just like Mouse got banned for his flaming, not the idiocy of his posts (those were grounds enough!).

-Xotor-

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RE: Nope:

Question to Xotor and Roshambo: Just a question. Am I to be banned from the FO boards if I post FOOL posts or do I get a second chance?
PS Thanx Xotor for the PAS thingie. It's great. where did you find it or did you make it yourself?
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RE: Nope:

>Question to Xotor and Roshambo: Just
>a question. Am I to
>be banned from the FO
>boards if I post FOOL
>posts or do I get
>a second chance?
>PS Thanx Xotor for the PAS
>thingie. It's great. where did
>you find it or did
>you make it yourself?

It's mostly on a "don't piss us off" basis. I'd leave the FOOL posts alone for now. If you're not banned now, you're probably not going to be unless you bring up the topic again anytime soon.

I made PAS and the logo/image. I think I thought up the idea in May 2000 or something..

-Xotor-

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RE: Nope:

So what you're saying is just give up and forget about solutions? Come to think of it... I'm cool with that.

Actually, I'd like to thank you, Xotor. I might totally disagree with you politically, but you managed to talk me out of this nicely without me having to get crucified and I think you're a fantastic mod.
 
With all this FOOL shit and all...

How come NO ONE has made a clan dedicated to figuring out a way to have a FOOL?

I'd be willing to do HTML for the clan, I'm looking to improve my skillz...
 
RE: Nope:

>So what you're saying is just
>give up and forget about
>solutions? Come to think of
>it... I'm cool with that.

Solutions for small problems don't solve the main problem:

How do you create an online RPG gaming system which provides the freedom of an online game, but doesn't ruin the RPG element and story crucial to making an RPG an RPG? E.g. How do you prevent the human nature from screwing your online RPG?

>Actually, I'd like to thank you,
>Xotor. I might totally disagree
>with you politically, but you
>managed to talk me out
>of this nicely without me
>having to get crucified and
>I think you're a fantastic
>mod.

Thanks.

-Xotor-


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RE: With all this FOOL shit and all...

>How come NO ONE has made
>a clan dedicated to figuring
>out a way to have
>a FOOL?
>
>I'd be willing to do HTML
>for the clan, I'm looking
>to improve my skillz...

Either it is impossible, people have put no real serious thought into it (the majority don't), or it isn't really a huge concern.

-Xotor-

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RE: Nope:

Yeah, if they had a big FO-style quest to complete for everyone, it would need a hell of a lot of server space and if multiple people could do it, you'd have the "Frankie Campie" parties which would camp outside Frank Horrigan's spawn point, kill him, take his items, sell them on eBay, repeat.

It's impossible! Unless you like "who can become a maxed-out PK hacker the fastest" carnival games, FOOL would not appeal to you.

Guns+Dungeons: NO MATCH

You can't have UO's dungeons and machineguns. It just doesn't seem right, you know (No, I won't get into how UO looks like EARTH)? Respawning bandits and lines to get into the "REMAINS OF NAVARRO BASE" area (which has the base commander's office filled with about 50 people inside, camping and throwing grenades at each other to become the sole campers) just doesn't seem to capture the feel of Fallout.

Yes, a post-apocalyptic hack-and-slash with guns does seem nice, shooting mutants and bandits, but if they make one it BETTER not be a Fallout game. It wouldn't go with the others! That's what these FOOLs want, UO meets Diablo meets Guns&Ammo named Fallout. Not Fallout, just something else named Fallout.

Ah, screw it. I'm too lazy to go over this rave so feel free to delete it if you think it's BS. I just wanted to throw a punch at FOOL and say "That's what you get for taking away one of my three chances, bitch." You know? Ah, I have to go to sleep...
 
RE: With all this FOOL shit and all...

How come no one has made a SEPARATE FORUM dedicated to figuring out a way to have a FOOL?

Think of it! It's the best possible solution. The perfect compromise - everyone can deliver their ideas, more or less burnished, without fear of being harassed by the admins. Roshambo and Xotor wouldn't need to ever check that forum, and it could be a free haven for new-thinking and brainstorming individuals.

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RE: With all this FOOL shit and all...

New-thinking and brainstorming individuals. You forgot GEEZMOU's.

It's like technicality laws--take them out and you have judges relying on "morality," which paves the way for a whole lotta corruption (GEEZMOU). Keep it and you get murderers off (not allowing FOOL posts) but you keep it good for the MOST PART.
 
RE: With all this FOOL shit and all...

>How come no one has made
>a SEPARATE FORUM dedicated to
>figuring out a way to
>have a FOOL?
>
>Think of it! It's the best
>possible solution. The perfect compromise
>- everyone can deliver their
>ideas, more or less burnished,
>without fear of being harassed
>by the admins. Roshambo and
>Xotor wouldn't need to ever
>check that forum, and it
>could be a free haven
>for new-thinking and brainstorming individuals.

Because it would only encourage those people who really *don't* put much effort into figuring out a way to get FOOL to work to post their "feature lists" which have nothing to do with the topic. Also, I don't know if you people realize it, but it actually does take a bit of effort to explain why something does not work/cannot work.. Quite frankly, I don't want to deal with that.

-Xotor-

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Okay now. I understand you guys, but I disagree totally.

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-01 AT 11:31AM (GMT)[p]You don't HAVE to deal with it! You just let it roam free. It'll be much like what the FO3 forum is now, generally speaking, with wild ideas and not that much thought. I'm sure it won't crash the server anyway.

If it annoys you so much, then why don't you just ignore it? Ignoring people has proven to be a much better way of extermination than just going out and bashing. (Trust me on this one ;))

And just ignoring them and letting others answer wouldn't cause so much ruckus either. Especially in the case of ********.

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