Terminator 3(SPOILERS)

[KQX]

Well, I just came back from the theater from seeing this “movie”, and I am more disappointed than I expected I would be. Very sad. Most likely it is due to the fact that I saw Terminator 2 twice a few hours before seeing T3. Here’s is my comparison of the two: When I finish watching Terminator 2 I feel as if I just finished a long, brilliant book; but when I watched Terminator 3 I felt like I just left the bathroom after relieving myself. And now here are the things that made me wanna puke:

John Conor was 10 when he was targeted in T2, NOT 13 as they said in T3. After becoming self aware, Skynet launches missiles at Russia first, and it’s the Russians who then attack the U.S. but it seems that skynet attacks America first in T3 (this could be argued against since in the beginning of T3 john Conor states that the future is not set, so what is the future in T2 may not be the same as in T3…but it still annoyed me that it doesn’t match up with the previous story).

Next I couldn’t believe how the first 30 mins of the movie is basically an advertisement for different products: a nice Budweiser bottle failing in the river, The new Lexus as the main vehicle in the movie, Victoria Secret billboard in full frame… wow… at least it wasn’t bad as Cast Away with Tom Hanks which is mainly a 2 hr advertisement for FedEx.

T2 amazed us all with its unforgettable action scenes, but it was also a very creative movie with a remarkable story that is explained in detail. Theirs is almost an hour in the movie where there is no action but a very nice message on modern society and human nature. T3 on the other hand spends almost no time to attempt to lead the movie in a different direction from the action scenes. Sure there are scenes where they explain a little bit on the story and the surprise ending thing, but it is soooo weak compared to T2, no doubt about it. Just like there’s no doubt that the evil terminator in T3 is very hot, and looks good in that red leather, and that scene where she licks that woman’s blood to determine her identity…..nice. But come on….its deviating from the image of the Previous Terminator movie in a horrible way. Plus, what the hell is she?? Just looks like a variation from the T-1000 (the liquid metal guy from T2). Jesus how about a little creativity and coming up with something different. Oh but no she has a flamethrower coming out of her hand. Wooptie-fucking-do, a 5 year old can come up with something more exciting. How amazed were you when you saw the T-1000 from T2. That was something never before seen, an idea so original. And not only was the idea good, it was all explained. How it works, what shapes can it form (can only copy objects of equal size, must have contact before copying, cannot form complex machines, only solid metal shapes, and I’m sure many more little things).. And then there’s The evil Terminator from T3. This is the only explanation of her that Arnold puts forth: (not a quote but close to it) “She is much faster, smarter and kills better then me”. Nice… lot of thought put into that. And her name…The Terminatrix…bulletproof….like we don’t already have enough things with the “Trix” suffix.

So I’m watching this, and I noticed that every 5 mins of the movie, the whole audience laughs. What? Sure comic relief is a good thing in a movie of a non-comedy genre but there is a limit. Not T3, no limits. Inane one-liners throughout the thing. Sad.

Now there is one part of the movie I actually enjoyed: The similarities with Fallout, the last 15 mins of the movie. Skynet’s main station being in a military base in the Sierra mountains (I bet they played fallout2 and got the idea….the exact same idea), the old school technology, the fallout shelter, the missiles launching to and from different part os the world… This was probably the only thing I liked seeing in the whole movie.


So that’s my little review. I am certain that I didn’t convey my opinion in the best way possible, due to the fact that my linguistic and writing skills are still developing, but I’d love to hear the opinions on the subject from the brilliant visitor of the NMA boards.

Oh I just remembered. Doctor Silverman…AAAAA… how superfluous was his appearance in the movie…Oh my god…There is no emoticon for what I am feeling.

 

[Mohrg]

I liked T3, no matter what anyone says, I thought it was a very good movie.

Mohrg

 

[Paradroid]

I thought T3 was great. I wasn't dissapointed because I don't think the prior movies were masterpieces. I think both T3 and T2 are good-quality action popcorn flicks with flimsy, pseudo-sci fi plots. I do agree that the characters were better in T2, and the story was more developed. Because the "wow" factor of T2 could not be replicated, I would have delved more into to methods and motives of skynet (T-lore, ya could say). T3's ending was just awesome. And are you sure Connor was 10? That would put him in about 4th grade. Wasn't he supposed to be a junior high brat? And product placement, every hollywood movie has it. With budgets so damn high, just gotta "forgettaboutit." T3 wasn't as bad as Spidey and fuckin Dr. Pepper, or the Austin Poopers movies.

 

[[PCE]el_Prez]

Just something i noticed... you keep comparing T3 to T2. Terminater one was the best one by far. T2 was pretty good but if your comparing them, compare them to the original. The first one was a lot more 'brilliant' than the 2nd. Also Conner couldn't possible be 10 years old. You know how young that is? A 10 year old driving a dirt bike all around town and hacking into banks sound feasible to you?

Another thing, get over the advertisements. Thats just how movies are these days.

but it was also a very creative movie with a remarkable story that is explained in detail. Theirs is almost an hour in the movie where there is no action but a very nice message on modern society and human nature

I dont know which T2 you watched, but there was about 20 minutes from the time they escaped the mental hospital to where Sarah Conner had a little target practice with Miles Dison's head. And if you want to talk 'story development' then watch the orginal again where Michael Biehn spends the entire movie explaining the future to sarah conner. You'll also see how sarah conner transforms from scared, paniky, resturaunt waitress to a natural ass kicker.

Anyways i think they did a pretty damn good job making T3. Yeah, the TX (gay name ill give you that) may seem a little fake with all her advanced shit but at least we dont have to see robert patrick's skinny white ass running around with crowbar arms.


P.S. “She is much faster, smarter and kills better then me”, thats not what arnold said. If your going to quote someone you have to get the words exactly right.

 

[Gwydion]

And are you sure Connor was 10?

He couldn't have been more than 10. The original Terminator was sent back to 1984, so Connor would have been 13 in 1997... the very year the bombs were supposed to have been dropped. When T2 took place and they blew up Cyberdyne, SkyNet was still about 3 years from completion. It works out, even though his character doesn't work well as a 10 year old.

 

[Mohrg]

Re: Terminator 3

Prez, this is what KQX said,

"(not a quote but close to it) “She is much faster, smarter and kills better then me""

If ya notice what is said in the parenthesis, he knew he wasn't quoting the exact phrase.

And yes, I really need to figure out how to work this crazy and insanely hard thing they call the "quote" option.

Mohrg

 

[Paradroid]

sorry, i could only compare it to t2 because I haven't seen T1, heh.

 

[[PCE]el_Prez]

"(not a quote but close to it) “She is much faster, smarter and kills better then me""

If ya notice what is said in the parenthesis, he knew he wasn't quoting the exact phrase.

exactly, how can you quote someone and not say the exact phrase. kind of an oxymoron dont you agree?

paranoid, go see the original Terminator. I know it will change your mind about this statement:

I don't think the prior movies were masterpieces

 

[Malky]

Everything that KQX said is right on the money. I think I may have just been disappointed because my expectations were too high.
I, too, watched the first two Terminator movies just before going to see T3, therefore I noticed all of the plot holes.

...And yes, a one-liner every 20 minutes or so is expected. A one liner every thirty seconds, however, is unwelcome.

-Malk

 

[MrMarcus]

I thought it was just okay. Granted, there were plotholes when comparing between Terminator 2 and 3 because in T2 they fucked up the timestream, so everything in the original timestream that was kept intact by the events of Terminator 1 was thrown out. So the writers had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to make Judgment Day happen.

I liked the idea of Skynet being software, not hardware. Reminded me of "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Heinlein. The fallout shelter was the perfect ending - the Terminator tricking Connor and Brewster into thinking Skynet's brain was there and fulfilling its mission using basic psychology.

 

[Paradroid]

ok, we need some sort of spoiler warning for folks that haven't seen it....lol

 

[KQX]

ok...

Ok. I’m sure that John Connor was 10 yrs old in Terminator2. I wish I could show you a screenshot, but I can’t so I’ll just tell you how I know.

In the first scene we see the T-1000 he kills the cop and takes his police car. The first thing he does after he gets in the car is he types in “John Connor” in the computer. This is what he gets:

Juvenile Automated Index

Name Query:

Last Name: Connor
First Name: John
Sex: Male
Race: Caucasian
Age: 10
DOB: 2/28/85

I’d like it if someone else could verify this so I’m not the only one.

True, I didn’t mention T1 in my little review. That’s because it wasn’t as fresh in my memory as T2. I do remember it was a great movie also but I don’t think I would say that it’s better than T2. I should probably see that again. Its been years.

And I apologize for my fake quote but I did mention that it wasn’t a quote. I did use quotations but I didn’t think it would be a big deal.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

John Conor was 10 when he was targeted in T2, NOT 13 as they said in T3. After becoming self aware, Skynet launches missiles at Russia first, and it?s the Russians who then attack the U.S. but it seems that skynet attacks America first in T3 (this could be argued against since in the beginning of T3 john Conor states that the future is not set, so what is the future in T2 may not be the same as in T3?but it still annoyed me that it doesn?t match up with the previous story).

Keep in mind that we're talking about a constantly changing timeline here. Delaying Judgement Day could have altered the future Skynet to send the T-800 back at a later date, because Skynet had more time. Of course, that wouldn't explain why the T-800 knew it was delayed in part 3.

Skynet most likely DOES launch the U.S. missiles at Russia, causing them to attack. It's just not specifically stated in the movie, you just see missiles flying everywhere. Of course, them flying over the polar ice cap should have tipped you off, but hey..

Next I couldn?t believe how the first 30 mins of the movie is basically an advertisement for different products: a nice Budweiser bottle failing in the river, The new Lexus as the main vehicle in the movie, Victoria Secret billboard in full frame? wow? at least it wasn?t bad as Cast Away with Tom Hanks which is mainly a 2 hr advertisement for FedEx.

Would you have prefered the bottle be a white label bottle that just said BEER on it? That's also not something you can do with a car since there is no such thing as a generic car. The T-X wanted a sleek, fast car, and they picked a Lexus. Big deal.

T2 amazed us all with its unforgettable action scenes, but it was also a very creative movie with a remarkable story that is explained in detail.

Bullshit. They never explained why Skynet made more than one terminator that looked like Arnold in T2, which defeats the whole purpose of making infiltration units. You have the, Hey, didn't I kill you yesterday, Terminator?! issue there. They at least explained why the terminator in T3 looked like the one in T2 - because Skynet built one just like the one John Connor originally sent back to distract him on an emotional level.

They never explained why John Connor would have existed if Judgement Day never happenned, which was the supposed ending of T2. If it hadn't happened, then Skynet never was developed to self awareness. As such, Skynet would have never deleveloped Terminators. If there were no Skynet and Terminators, then there would be no Kyle Riese going back in time to knock up Sarah, and John goes *poof* and Sarah becomes a middle aged waitress.

Theirs is almost an hour in the movie where there is no action but a very nice message on modern society and human nature. T3 on the other hand spends almost no time to attempt to lead the movie in a different direction from the action scenes. Sure there are scenes where they explain a little bit on the story and the surprise ending thing, but it is soooo weak compared to T2, no doubt about it.

No action in the first hour of T2? What about the whole mall thing during the Come with me if you want to live. bit, followed by the first chase scene?

Just like there?s no doubt that the evil terminator in T3 is very hot, and looks good in that red leather, and that scene where she licks that woman?s blood to determine her identity?..nice.

Okay, the blood licking thing was a little silly, I agree.

But come on?.its deviating from the image of the Previous Terminator movie in a horrible way. Plus, what the hell is she?? Just looks like a variation from the T-1000 (the liquid metal guy from T2). Jesus how about a little creativity and coming up with something different. Oh but no she has a flamethrower coming out of her hand. Wooptie-fucking-do, a 5 year old can come up with something more exciting. How amazed were you when you saw the T-1000 from T2. That was something never before seen, an idea so original. And not only was the idea good, it was all explained. How it works, what shapes can it form (can only copy objects of equal size, must have contact before copying, cannot form complex machines, only solid metal shapes, and I?m sure many more little things)..

Oh geez, how could you not get the point of the T-X? The T-X overcomes the problems of both time travel and the T-1000! Because of the nature of the T-X, it can take high tech weapons back in to the past with it, because they're built in to it. That overcomes the big problem with the time travel process right there.

The only drawback of the T-1000 was that it couldn't make complex machines to kill someone, right? That was it's weakness. It could only spear people and such. The T-X, because of the endoskeleton, could have a variety of trinkets under the liquid metal coating that it could pull out at any time and just reshape the coating back when it was done.

And come on, the T-1000 was pretty silly once you get past the whole, OMFG! IT'S EVIL SCHMOO Where was the T-1000's power source, huh? Where's the CPU? If you want to nit pick the T-X that way, you should at least be critical of the T-1000 silliness as well.

It's hardly original either, it's basically a mimmick/shapeshifter.

And then there?s The evil Terminator from T3. This is the only explanation of her that Arnold puts forth: (not a quote but close to it) ?She is much faster, smarter and kills better then me?. Nice? lot of thought put into that. And her name?The Terminatrix?bulletproof?.like we don?t already have enough things with the ?Trix? suffix.

That was coined by John Connor. It's designation is the T-X.

So I?m watching this, and I noticed that every 5 mins of the movie, the whole audience laughs. What? Sure comic relief is a good thing in a movie of a non-comedy genre but there is a limit. Not T3, no limits. Inane one-liners throughout the thing. Sad.

Like T2 didn't have those, either.

Now there is one part of the movie I actually enjoyed: The similarities with Fallout, the last 15 mins of the movie. Skynet?s main station being in a military base in the Sierra mountains (I bet they played fallout2 and got the idea?.the exact same idea), the old school technology, the fallout shelter, the missiles launching to and from different part os the world? This was probably the only thing I liked seeing in the whole movie.

Except there are no missiles in Fallout.

Oh I just remembered. Doctor Silverman?AAAAA? how superfluous was his appearance in the movie?Oh my god?There is no emoticon for what I am feeling.

He's a reoccuring character, of course he'd be in T3.

 

[Creamdacrem]

Well, I just came back from the theater from seeing this “movie”, and I am more disappointed than I expected I would be. Very sad. Most likely it is due to the fact that I saw Terminator 2 twice a few hours before seeing T3. Here’s is my comparison of the two: When I finish watching Terminator 2 I feel as if I just finished a long, brilliant book; but when I watched Terminator 3 I felt like I just left the bathroom after relieving myself. And now here are the things that made me wanna puke:

John Conor was 10 when he was targeted in T2, NOT 13 as they said in T3. After becoming self aware, Skynet launches missiles at Russia first, and it’s the Russians who then attack the U.S. but it seems that skynet attacks America first in T3 (this could be argued against since in the beginning of T3 john Conor states that the future is not set, so what is the future in T2 may not be the same as in T3…but it still annoyed me that it doesn’t match up with the previous story).

Next I couldn’t believe how the first 30 mins of the movie is basically an advertisement for different products: a nice Budweiser bottle failing in the river, The new Lexus as the main vehicle in the movie, Victoria Secret billboard in full frame… wow… at least it wasn’t bad as Cast Away with Tom Hanks which is mainly a 2 hr advertisement for FedEx.

T2 amazed us all with its unforgettable action scenes, but it was also a very creative movie with a remarkable story that is explained in detail. Theirs is almost an hour in the movie where there is no action but a very nice message on modern society and human nature. T3 on the other hand spends almost no time to attempt to lead the movie in a different direction from the action scenes. Sure there are scenes where they explain a little bit on the story and the surprise ending thing, but it is soooo weak compared to T2, no doubt about it. Just like there’s no doubt that the evil terminator in T3 is very hot, and looks good in that red leather, and that scene where she licks that woman’s blood to determine her identity…..nice. But come on….its deviating from the image of the Previous Terminator movie in a horrible way. Plus, what the hell is she?? Just looks like a variation from the T-1000 (the liquid metal guy from T2). Jesus how about a little creativity and coming up with something different. Oh but no she has a flamethrower coming out of her hand. Wooptie-fucking-do, a 5 year old can come up with something more exciting. How amazed were you when you saw the T-1000 from T2. That was something never before seen, an idea so original. And not only was the idea good, it was all explained. How it works, what shapes can it form (can only copy objects of equal size, must have contact before copying, cannot form complex machines, only solid metal shapes, and I’m sure many more little things).. And then there’s The evil Terminator from T3. This is the only explanation of her that Arnold puts forth: (not a quote but close to it) “She is much faster, smarter and kills better then me”. Nice… lot of thought put into that. And her name…The Terminatrix…bulletproof….like we don’t already have enough things with the “Trix” suffix.

So I’m watching this, and I noticed that every 5 mins of the movie, the whole audience laughs. What? Sure comic relief is a good thing in a movie of a non-comedy genre but there is a limit. Not T3, no limits. Inane one-liners throughout the thing. Sad.

Now there is one part of the movie I actually enjoyed: The similarities with Fallout, the last 15 mins of the movie. Skynet’s main station being in a military base in the Sierra mountains (I bet they played fallout2 and got the idea….the exact same idea), the old school technology, the fallout shelter, the missiles launching to and from different part os the world… This was probably the only thing I liked seeing in the whole movie.


So that’s my little review. I am certain that I didn’t convey my opinion in the best way possible, due to the fact that my linguistic and writing skills are still developing, but I’d love to hear the opinions on the subject from the brilliant visitor of the NMA boards.

Oh I just remembered. Doctor Silverman…AAAAA… how superfluous was his appearance in the movie…Oh my god…There is no emoticon for what I am feeling.

T3 wasn't directed by the orginal directior of T1 and T2

 

[[PCE]el_Prez]

Jesus how about a little creativity and coming up with something different. Oh but no she has a flamethrower coming out of her hand. Wooptie-fucking-do, a 5 year old can come up with something more exciting. How amazed were you when you saw the T-1000 from T2. That was something never before seen, an idea so original.

I agree with SP in the sense that if your going to go along w/ the T1000 then you shouldnt complain about the TX being too 'fake'.

It's true, T2 was the first movie to use CGI, but its like your slamming T3 becuase the graphics werent innovative. What do you want them to come out with a differnt type of computer graphics? I think with all the CGI out today that T3 did a damn good job. The stunts were also well done (sure that first big chase scene was pretty excessive, but lets give them credit for using huge trucks instead of a bunch of 'tricked out' hondas and other rice burners).

One more thing, you complained that that a 5 year old could come up with a new terminator that had more imagination than the TX. I'd like to see you come up with something better.

 

[Mohrg]

How about the TX being a three toed sloth instead of a chick...right there would make the movie 100 times better!! I mean imagine the possibilities. For one, it would move REALLY slow and it would never be anywhere near Connor because it can't leave the jungle and last time I checked there is no freaking jungle in the desert.....

Ah well, even if the TX wasn't a three toed sloth it was still a good movie.

Mohrg

 

[KQX]

I agree with SP in the sense that if your going to go along w/ the T1000 then you shouldnt complain about the TX being too 'fake'.

I never complained about her being too fake. I agree with SP too about things like WHere's the CPU for the T-1000. Its not the fakeness that bothers me, its the lack of creativity. Its not a new and exciting idea.

It's true, T2 was the first movie to use CGI, but its like your slamming T3 becuase the graphics werent innovative. What do you want them to come out with a differnt type of computer graphics? I think with all the CGI out today that T3 did a damn good job. The stunts were also well done (sure that first big chase scene was pretty excessive, but lets give them credit for using huge trucks instead of a bunch of 'tricked out' hondas and other rice burners).

Hmm. I never said anything about graphics. THe movie (T3) is amazing if i look at it from that perspective. Again. Its the ideas, or better yet the lack of new ideas, that bothered me in T3. To me it seemed like all time was spent on thinking of the action scenes and none about a good storyline.

Oh and another thing that SP said about Dr. Silverman being a reoccurring character. Yes he is....but look at the scene in which he appears in in T3. He's there for 2 mins. and the only point to it was so we can see his surprised face when he sees Arnold again. Everyone jus laughed and i thought it was superfluous and weak.

Malkavian, you seem to be the only one that agrees with me. Put forth some more of your opinions.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

I never complained about her being too fake. I agree with SP too about things like WHere's the CPU for the T-1000. Its not the fakeness that bothers me, its the lack of creativity. Its not a new and exciting idea.

How, exactly, is he more creative? The Schmoo was around in the 1970s. There's really nothing creative about the T-1000, you've had shapeshifters in both fantasy and sci-fi for ages.

Hmm. I never said anything about graphics. THe movie (T3) is amazing if i look at it from that perspective. Again. Its the ideas, or better yet the lack of new ideas, that bothered me in T3. To me it seemed like all time was spent on thinking of the action scenes and none about a good storyline.

It seemed to me that T3 was all about fixing the mistakes made in T2. If Judgement Day never happens, then John Connor never exists. It's obvious that at some point, Skynet gets created and bad things have to happen to the world - because John Connor still exists at the end of it. James Cameron kind of screwed the pooch when he wrote the story for T2 and didn't think about that.

The Where's the CPU? think was also fixed by the T-X, which was a more slender endoskeleton with the same polymemetic alloy. Basically, the T-X can still do everything the T-1000 can do, only it makes more sense!

In fact, the only really big glaring issue from T3 was that Sarah Connor still thought that Judgement Day occured in August of 1997, but that could easily be explained by future John wanting to spare his mom dying thinking that it was still coming. He could tell Reese to tell her that Judgement Day is still on for August 1997, knowing she'd live that long.

Oh and another thing that SP said about Dr. Silverman being a reoccurring character. Yes he is....but look at the scene in which he appears in in T3. He's there for 2 mins. and the only point to it was so we can see his surprised face when he sees Arnold again. Everyone jus laughed and i thought it was superfluous and weak.

He had a small role in T1, too. He's a reoccuring character, not an important one.

 

[Gwydion]

Regarding one-liners and jokes, I realize that T2 had these, too, but T3s felt far too disruptive to me. I guess I could see it again, and maybe I'll be able to look past them, but I think it's unlikely.

 

[The Dude]

Little offtopic, have you all seen the alternate ending for T2? Found it somewhere on the net. Quite interesting.