The thread of truth?

Odin

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After we got shut down by IPLY on the former Fbos forums, I was eagered to at last say my opinions to Chuck and his table of clueless, especially after the responses I got on the new Fbos forums. So let's get down to it shall we:<blockquote>Rules of making a Fallout console title according to IPLY/Chuck:
  • Making a console title means you have to change a setting/story in an existing universe.
  • If you're making an action title, you also need to change the setting.
  • Sex sells, so use it big time...
  • Oh and don't bother studying the Fallout universe, it's all lies I tell you!
</blockquote>No but seriously I just had to do that, the actual thread almost went like this. I don't bother posting it all, so here is the truth<blockquote>Is there an answer that will apease your "Why the hell change it..."?
Probably not, because when you get right down to it, we changed it because we wanted to.</blockquote>Hell, read the whole thing here.
 
I don't agree with the perspective used to interpret the views expressed by the FO:BOS staff at all.

I think it was taken out of context because tempers are flairing a bit. While I still don't agree with the responses, I think they were far more logical if you have been listening to the devs inthis thread and others.

Why do you think they changed the game because "they wanted to?". To piss us off? No, because they thought it would help the game. Come on now people.

Again, I don't agree with what the game is/does ,but lets not start burning witches where none are to be found.
 
kumquatq3 said:
Why do you think they changed the game because "they wanted to?". To piss us off? No, because they thought it would help the game. Come on now people.
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I believe The Limey said that they changed the story to "make it their own thing", not to help the game.

I don't understand why they couldn't just spell it out from the beginning. Odin was asking why they didn't follow the original story, and they just responded by blowing him off repeatedly until finally they gave an answer. Granted this probably didn't make Odin or anyone else any less angry, but a straight answer is always better than evading the question - especially when you know that the person is just going to keep asking you.
 
Well, whether or not the devs screwed up the setting conciously or through ignorance is of little consequence. If they wanted to do their own thing, they should not have dragged the Fallout name through this mud. Action games can be made that are very atmospheric and do not rely on women in thongs or speed metal rock music to sell copies. Im sure if this title would have been a thinking man's action game (on par with System Shock, Thief or Deus Ex) that was true to the setting, Interplay would have heard alot less crap from the fanbase. Instead they opted to break with the setting and sell copies, not through putting out a superior product, but by putting out a product that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Admitting openly to this does not garner, from me at least, any degree of understanding or respect for the developers. It is just another slap in our collective faces - an open admittal to not giving a damn about the integrity of the setting or the wishes of its fans.
 
Exactly!

Let's recap, I have NO problem with them doing their own thing. BUT I would expect, as long as it bears (RRRrrrrr) the Fallout name, to stay within the setting. Setting also means marketing..

Now all the answers I kept getting was the ones stated above as an explanation to the change, that still doesn't refute the fact that they still could have stayed within the setting!

So basicly they screwed up! It's common sense to stay within a setting.

How hard is that to grasp kumquatq3?

Look at it this way, they wanted to do a good selling console title. Within a post apocalyptic setting, great! They have the Fallout setting, "we'll just do our own thing and label it Fallout.. so that it sells more..."

Now do you see that they actually sold out the Fallout name?
 
I've made similar, though less eloqent and properly spelled, statements on the Iplay fourms.

I've been threatend with a Ban, and had my posts deleted.




heres what I wrote.

FYI, Jester is Chucks nickname on the Iplay fourms.




Jester said:
but again, since we will not be canon, would it make a difference?
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If you dont want to stick to a storyline (which the makers of FO1 and FO2 have done, Ex: the Fallout Bibble) Then why bother to make it a fallout game at all ? Why not just make it a post appotolypic game (I love that general setting which is part of why I like fallout).

Also, whynot do something that had zero way of contridicting a preset storyline like having some other powerful group on the east coast and having it be the group the playerChara belongs to. Not only would that allow you to be origonal and still keep it fallout, but it could set up a story for fallout 4, the BoS and the east coast group fighting or something.
(Plus a random encounter satarizing eastcoast/westcoast rappers)
 
Simple reason for why they are calling it Fallout: NR = Name recognition....So that it sells...

It's a shame, but they've clearly shown that the've sold out the Fallout name with this title..

Fact: They've said they went their own way, both in setting and story.
Fact: They used the Fallout name, for NR to sell.

Who needs more proof ? Sure the story might not be soo far fetched, but the simple fact that they've used Hard Rock, sex etc..etc.. shows that they went away from the setting.
 
Quote From Above....

Quote From Above.....
...Probably not, because when you get right down to it, we changed it because we wanted to. ...
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The statement conveys that their path of dev'ment was a clear and calculated choice. Possibly the path of least resistance in their secret sequestered ivory tower of artistic integrity.

I can guess, assume, that they bypassed story line and imagery that conformed to the previous FO's because it was too big a task for the intended product. I presume they have the intellectual and motor skills to do the job. A calculated judgement of resources and deadlines. Experienced dev's and proven Engine to be modified and all that.

I presume they had a limited amount of time and money to construct a game into being, stand it on it's feet, and shuffle it out the door. The image in my mind is the song and dance scene in Mel Brooks' version of Frankenstein.

The choice to do it "their way" had to be made early on and had to be approved early on. They started in secret and quite a lot of bother was generated when their covert dev'ment was leaked. There was no consensus in this bubble of isolation to "bother' with what was deemed irrelevant: our opinions range from "artistic" arrogance to ruthless streamlining. Got a job to do, right or wrong.

I still think that BOS would have had enough linkage to FO that BOS would have "streamlined" the title and maintained the FO reference
in the first line in any box script or media PR or game review.

BOS......

It would have been clear that the Dev's would be doing it "their way".
I still like seeing the FO references of style and imagery, grainy cello film movies and FO-Pip Boy animations, slipped into cracks between "The Action" of the trailers attributed to the elusive dark angels, the market'eers.

Mel Brooks' movie titled "Young Frankenstein" conveyed SOME twist on that classic. BOS might have done the same, ...AND they chose to do it their way.

Time will tell if there is a game in the box that the BG:DA console crowd will enjoy.


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The changes to the BOS don't bother me as much as the fact that the mutants went from being more helpful and friendly than the humans to the "unfortunate, zombie like descendants" who apparently now crave human flesh and attack people on sight.

*sigh*

Stretching the BOS is almost acceptable because it's just that... a stretch. The problem is that they 180ed all the major players in the FO universe. Ghouls eat you and Vaults are open to outsiders.

All I can say is :? :roll: :(
 
They're using the Fallout name to sell AND they're using chicks in thongs to sell.

Wow. Fallout got sold out TWICE.
 
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