Things like this just make me mad!!

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Starseeker

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Go check it out.

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/122101/p4_01.html

Doesn't Senator Dobermann reminds you of someone in FO2? For examble, Lynette? Too bad I can't just take out my minigun and waste him like I do with her in the game. The ignorance and audacity of that man is really pathetic. We should pass a bill that charges parents for do something stupid, instead of trying to censor and in theory "protect" our future generation. And, please, can some of these bigots learn something from their kids? A 13 years old can tell the soldiers she/he just killed on their playstation isn't real, it's just a game. If we are not careful, RPGs' like FO will be banned and censored just like the rest. Where is Benjamin Franklin when you need him? Are constitution there just for decoration? Anyway, this guy is just another pathetic politician trying to win votes by supposly "defending", or "doing" the right thing. It's nothing new under the sun. Still, I wish I have my Bozar...:D

Starseeker, signing off.

"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
 
Things like this just make me go 'Ho-hum, here we go again..

Oh well, so another politician is up in arms about something? With any luck, his complaints will result in an increase in sales of violent computer games (it always does, Politician complains about game = game sells well)

Although, I never paid much attention to ratings anyway. Hell, I can remember playing Wolf 3d when I was 13. Running around shooting people, it was great. And look at me now, I'm not affected..... Hmmmm... I think it's time I buried those two rotting corpses I have in my basement, they're beginning to stink... Sheesh!! Who would've thought 10 year old rotting school teachers would smell so much??

But seriously, don't worry about it, if he actually TRIED anything, he'd be stopped..... Even if it meant calling in someone with a real minigun... :)

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RE: Things like this just make me go 'Ho-hum, here we go aga

When I bought FOT I got carded for the first time, and it suprised me. I know I look young for my age, still. Ratings are a good idea, of course, but several other things are important too. For example, parrents of younger children should take an interest in what their children are playing/doing. Hell, I was playing Doom when I was ten. But I knew it was mindless, not real, and nothing to emulate. Still, the old government lines about desensitizing will pop up. If they think violence in video games is bad, how do they justify broadcasting footage from the 11th attacks on every news show and news channel non-stop since the incident? How's that for violence on television. Democrat, Republican, independant, the government needs to get its collective head out of its collective ass. And the "president" needs to get his finger out of his nose, and his nose away from a certain white powder.

"I am a sick man. I am an angry man. I am an unattractive man. I think there's something wrong with my liver." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
 
RE: well

I got the first evaluation of my kid a few days ago, since he just started first grade. He`s teacher says he`s interested in everything, learns fast, helps litle kids that don`t understand things so easily, he`s very polite and calm, curious about everything, likes to participate, he`s patient, very focused, when playing outside he deals with everyone and everything the same way as when he`s inside, has leadership qualities, and he`s background could allow him to feel integrated even if he was in second or third grade.

My kid plays games since he`s 3 years old, knows to function inside windows95-98 since he`s 4, watches me playing games since,well, forever. If he thinks the game is too violent he leaves, although he knows they`re just pixels, wich he often tried to explain to his mother since she doesn`t allow him to watch a fallout game :-) (i support this not because of the game itself but because he doesn`t understand much of what is going on there, and it`s too soon for me to explain many of the moral choices presented in the game). In the end he learned very early that there`s a CLEAR separation between games and reality, and that we should do everything as a family, so he won`t be lost alone with the computer or the consoles he has, like many families do (particularly many parents that find it easier to blame game companies instead of looking at themselves and what THEY have failed in the education process).

I don`t mind the games beeing rated, but beeing forbiden like in Australia is a civilitional set-back, and one that also has a lot with the lack of organisation in the gaming industry. In twenty years games surpassed cinema in revenues in the western world, when movies have more than one hundred years. Still the industry can`t pass they`re messages, wich tells a lot on the capacity of the marketing crew and the executives.

There always be politicians that either are incapable of understanding the new medias, or are in the pay-roll of other industries that compete with games. But i hope that the next few generations of politicians learn from the mistakes of the current ones. And in the end i don`t mind getting back to the "underground", like in the old bbs days, to play mature content games, or games with violence and sex, like the books, tv shows and movies i like.

What killed more people "mein Kampf" or GTA?
What had more negative results,"Birth of a Nation" or Quake?
What do you prefer, beeing in a world with smiling faces kids with the red stalinist scarf or a world that thinks that individuality, with responsability but also with risk is a better place to live in?
 
Finding scapegoats for poor parenting is always a vote magnet. People hate to take responsibility for their own stupidity and neglect.

Don't blame the senator, blame this and the last generation of poor parents who don't realize that if they actually spend time to raise their children instead of leaving them on the side-lines while they persue their careers or whatnot, their children will be immune to virtually any kind of media.

Thw world hasn't gotten any more violent or base than it already was, it just has less people calling it for what it really is.

-Xotor-

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RE: Now you mention it...

After the adrenaline has died down a bit, I was able to think more clearly on the issue. All of you make some good points. While I am hoping for more generation-e minded people like us to get more involved and moving things, the xbox commercial came on. I suddenly realizied that once serious money is involved (MS), someone else will shut the bigot up before I get the chance. It all boil downs to money. The reason Movie, TV, and other entertainment industry get away with what they do is only because of money. The corporations got bigger, the market got bigger, and so did the audience. Some of these idiots realizied that if Ronald Regan can be a President, well then they better shut up. Money, power, votes, and control. The entertainment industry is growing into a one trillion dollar a year industry. That is a lot of money. The games are only 5-8 billion dollars per year. Once they have grown bigger, they should be able to get what they want. Otherwise we can stop producing their army/navy/air force training simulator for them.:)

But, if this is to be the case, it brings up another question - what will game companies do with their new find freedom? Games like FO take a lot of guts and vision to bring out, and if the trend continues as of now, our outlook isn't good. Just look at the problem for producing FO3. That is also why so many talented people leave great game companies once they get huge. One famous game designer(Sid or Peter) once said(not an exact quote) "All I end up doing is meetings, after meetings, after meetings and after that, more meetings. And ever since the company gets big, we ended up lost in the synerigy.:D We become just another factory worker, pumping out the product. The problem with that approach is that a game isn't a chair, or a light bulb. It's like a play, a book, a painting, a movie, and any other art form that needs creativity and vision. In the sense that we are the story tellers of our generation like all of our ancestors before us. The beautiful thing is that unlike those before us, we have a chance to express all these things in our heads in a totally new way, in a way that is never being seen before. A good game is like the Romeo & Juliet, that makes you laugh and makes you cry. A bad game is like Friday the 13th IV, V, etc.., and doesn't have any artistic value, but it sells some tickets to some suckers whom liked the original.(FOT anyone?;-)) I can't write a Shakespear in a factory, and that is why so many of us leaves after a while.". I think he took the words right out of my mouth.:)

Starseeker, signing off.

"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
 
irony

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-02 AT 04:52AM (GMT)[p] A 13
>years old can tell the
>soldiers she/he just killed on
>their playstation isn't real, it's
>just a game. If
>we are not careful, RPGs'
>like FO will be banned
>and censored just like the
>rest. Where is Benjamin
>Franklin when you need him?
> Are constitution there just
>for decoration? Anyway, this
>guy is just another pathetic
>politician trying to win votes
>by supposly "defending", or "doing"
>the right thing. It's
>nothing new under the sun.
> Still, I wish I
>have my Bozar...:D
>



i know your probably joking about this, but, you say video games dont make you violent and yet your way of stopping these kind of people is to shoot them with your bozar? heh.. sorry i just thought that was kinda funny...
 
RE: Sigh....., it's a joke.........

Starseeker, signing off.

"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
 
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