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Unarmed is very disadvantaged in Fallout 1 and 2. It might be an idea to have a perk or earned perk that allows the combination of special punches/ kicks and unarmed weapons. Maybe they should have unarmed weapons for kicks. At least, do something to compensate for the disadvantage.
I know there are a lot of better weapons in the game, but for some people their "style" is to kick butt, so naturally they want to have some chance of winning against a big ugly with a big ugly gun.

Also, I think Interplay is too conservative in the making of patches. Fallout 2 was not completely finished (stuff like the Duntons, the Shiv, etc) and there should have been a patch to fix that.It seems they want to sacrifice gameplay for download time, but anybody who wants to play will spend the time download patches to play it "better". (ie the Quake2 patch was 18 MEGS but people still downloaded it) So if Interplay wants to make patches, they should do it properly.
 
I never felt there was a disadvantage to unarmed. It takes less AP to attack with. You have a high chance of knocking someone out (because of the extra attacks). And a bonus move perk can get you closer without having to sacrafice AP.

I wouldn't mind a patch...but I honestly don't think it'll ever happen...

Skie
 
I always thought that unarmed sucked as the max damage was limited by strength, and a good sniper could easily finish off an unarmed fighter at a distance with ease, or a big gun guy would just mini gun burst the unarmed guy to death.
 
A sniper is restricted by perception more than someone unarmed is by strength. A 'burst' is about the only problem. But, if you're close enough to be taken out by a burst, you're close enough to knock the burster down (or out). You can always punch them in the arms so they can't use weapons on you as well.

Skie
 
I suppose so, but to get really good as a unarmerd fighter needs a lot of patience and the right perks. If the secondary unarmed attacks didn't so many AP's to perform (piercing strike takes 8) then it would be a more attractive alternative to guns.
 
I never used the secondary attacks...there really isn't any need. By the time you get them you can have things like the powerfist.

Skie
 
ya know ithink our guy here may be on to something here. sure alot of us like to kill the npcs with guns but some of us at times have just wanted to beat the crap out of them. and i think we should be able to do so with out worrying about the threat of burst weapons while carrying out unarmed tactics. my suggestion is that there be sets of unarmed character armor. they would look different and the damage threshold or whatever would be higher so as to have less damage inflicted by burst shots but more when hit by some other type of attack. that would make it a little more interesting
 
Maybe we could have a "power boot" or something to increase kick attack damage, I mean there is a power fist so why not power boots? I totally agree on the armour issuse as well. There should be somethat are good against guns, but poor vs HtoH and vice versa.
 
Power boot: hehe, this opens up the idea of other foot type weapons.

Yeah, that would be great. It makes sense that armor good against bullets wouldn't work very good against most melee weapons (and vise-versa). I'm not sure if anything would stop plasma better...(any ideas?) As far as lasers, something highly reflective or with a gravity field. Not sure if lasers/plasma should have anything. I do think it would be a good idea for there to be bonuses/penalties to each armor.

Skie
 
Maybe spiked boots could be includeed, imagine how much damage it could do to someon, especially if they're prone n the floor. Or maybe a boot with a blade on the end. To stop plasma maybe adv tesla armour would help? Or maybe something with a very hig resistance to heat.
 
Cleat...cleet...it's all the same to me. You know, shoes with spikes for better traction.

Skie
 
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Oh now I get it. Anyway I would also like to see the inclusion of Nunchukas (is that the right spelling) and maybe blade attachments as an upgrade for it. Maybe there could also be a "shocking" power fist, where if you score a critical hit you do more damage cause you power fist has taser nodes on it and it shoots out and electrocutes the enemy.
 
Nice. But didn't powerfists somehow belong to melee (don't get me wrong, it should count as unarmed). Or how about an other way to use your unarmed skill. Being able to hit or kick someone doing as little damage possible, yet inflicting enormous amounts of pain on them, TORTURE. Your ideas did sound quite painful. }>

You know, like in NCR, kick or beat the info out of the captured squatter. It would be great to just knock someone out (another way to use unarmed) drag them into a building and start 'interrogating' him. Or even get him to help you. It would be good for any RPG, as well as fun for sadistic bastards such as myself.
 
Powerfist used your 'Unarmed' skill. It's basically the idea that you're not thrusting with a knife, or bashing people with a sledge hammer. You're still punching, you just have more power behind it. Same reason spiked knuckles, brass knuckles, and boxing gloves are 'Unarmed' as well.

Skie
 
ERE; UNA-RMED

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jul-02-00 AT 09:51PM (GMT)[p]OPPS SORRY FOR THE DUBLE POST I'M SORRY BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD ELIMINATE PK'ING IN FALLOUT ITS NOT NICE BYE
 
ERE; UNA-RMED

I THINK THEYU SHOLD MAKE THE SPORE SEAD BETER BECAUSE I LIKED IT AND I NEVEER COULD WIN IN AN FIGHT WITH THE ENCLAVE WITH A SPORE SEED BECAUSE THE GAME IS GEARED TOWARDS GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES(THEY SHOULD HAVE A PASTCH SO YOU CAN OPEN DORS WITHOUT USING DINAMYTE! I HATED THAT BUT AT LEAST I CHEATED TO GET LOTS OF DYNAMITE BUT I HEERD SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO PLAY GAMES WITHOUT CHEETS AND WITHOUT EVERYTHING BALANCED TO A POINT OF EXTREMITY, BUT THEY ARE GAY FAGETS) I ALSO LIKED THE PIP RUFLE BUTT INTERPALY DESCIMITNATED AGAINST THAT, TOO! I AGREE WITH THE UNARMED NEEDING PROVEMENTS BECAUSE EVERYTHING SHOUD BE BA LANCED FROM MINIGUN TO ROCKET TO FIST TO ASPECIALLY THE S_P_O_R S_E_A_D! THEY SHOULD ALSO HAVE WEPONS "OF THE LEECH" THAT STEEL EMAMIES LIFES AND GIFE EM TO YUO!

HEY ZOTER HOW DO I JOIN PEPLE AGENST SUPITIDY MY TUTER SAYS IM VERY SMART HOW DO I JOIN.

- Hell Patrol -
Hell_Patrol@juno.com
 
RE: ERE; UNA-RMED

First off there are better thrown weapons such as the various grenades although they are weedy. They could have better damage and it'd be cool if you could throw them at a certain spot so it'd damage a critter out of your LOS, but I digress. I just wanted to say please stop shouting and spell properly man.
 
RE: ERE; UNA-RMED (You couldn't even get the topic line righ

>I THINK THEYU SHOLD MAKE THE
>SPORE SEAD BETER BECAUSE I
>LIKED IT AND I NEVEER
>COULD WIN IN AN FIGHT
>WITH THE ENCLAVE WITH A
>SPORE SEED BECAUSE THE GAME
>IS GEARED TOWARDS GUNS AND
>EXPLOSIVES(THEY SHOULD HAVE A PASTCH
>SO YOU CAN OPEN DORS
>WITHOUT USING DINAMYTE! I HATED
>THAT BUT AT LEAST I
>CHEATED TO GET LOTS OF
>DYNAMITE BUT I HEERD SOME
>PEOPLE LIKE TO PLAY GAMES
>WITHOUT CHEETS AND WITHOUT EVERYTHING
>BALANCED TO A POINT OF
>EXTREMITY, BUT THEY ARE GAY
>FAGETS) I ALSO LIKED THE
>PIP RUFLE BUTT INTERPALY DESCIMITNATED
>AGAINST THAT, TOO! I AGREE
>WITH THE UNARMED NEEDING PROVEMENTS
>BECAUSE EVERYTHING SHOUD BE BA
>LANCED FROM MINIGUN TO ROCKET
>TO FIST TO ASPECIALLY THE
>S_P_O_R S_E_A_D! THEY SHOULD
>ALSO HAVE WEPONS "OF THE
>LEECH" THAT STEEL EMAMIES LIFES
>AND GIFE EM TO YUO!
>
>
>HEY ZOTER HOW DO I JOIN
>PEPLE AGENST SUPITIDY MY TUTER
>SAYS IM VERY SMART HOW
>DO I JOIN.
>
> - Hell Patrol -
>Hell_Patrol@juno.com

Man...I tried to avoid flaming you, but you are begging for it. Where should I start? Unless, of course, you posted that as some sort of joke, which succeeded in making me laugh (try to pronounce that idiotic spelling). What do spore seeds have to do with unarmed combat? Why use a spore seed to fight the Enclave, aside from some seconds worth of giggles? I am not even going to try and delve through your mind to find those answers, convincing you is not worth it.
I find you have some sorth of intellect going on for that post as in your statement "THE GAME IS GEARED TOWARDS GUNS AND
EXPLOSIVES". I agree with that, and I also think it needs more balance.
The attitude in your screaming (yes, you screamed because you used all caps...see that little button next to the "A"? Try not pushing it.) shows that you fall into a player category which I like to call (this is not my idea but I can't speak for all of you guys, right?) "eleven year olds". Eleven year olds have the characteristic of all of the children that play computer and console games these days: they cheat. Cheating isn't wrong per se, it is the situation in which people cheat what makes it wrong. If a Fallout veteran uses cheats to squeeze every little drop of Fallout fun, cheating isn't that bad, but we have the opposite of the situation: munchkins that don't even finish the game without using cheats because either it is to hard for them (I raise an eyebrow at that) or they are too lazy to go through the game without using cheats. What happens in the latter situation (I am not sure if it is spelled later or latter when you are speaking of the last subject mentioned) is that the munchkins lose their interest in the game they are playing and drop it and get another game (if it is a singleplayer game...they just finish it and brag their friends about it [friends that probably do the same]) and the cycle repeats (unless it is a game like Diablo 2 [that is, without considering the merits and demerits that the Diablo series might have] where you can play both single and multiplayer modes, in which case they turn into PKs). Then you blissfully called me and others in this boards probably (I DO felt that you were referring to me because I happen to be one of those "GAY FAGETS" that like to play their games with balance and without cheats), homosexual, uptight bigots because we don't use cheats. I am going to be frank with you. I cheated in Fallout 2...AFTER I finished it more than 5 times, covering most of the playing styles. Why did I cheat? Because I had no other way to quench my thirst for Fallout. Why do YOU want to cheat? Because you probably are too lazy to finish the game yourself without cheating (that much I can infer from your idiotic post).
I didn't understand the last part of that post (I am not a grammar or spelling bitch but I at least require you to have the level of English that newspapers have [not that newspapers are wells of thoughtful phrases and well-put opinions]), something about PIP RUFLE INTERPALY and all that came aftewards (after thinking about it for half an hour, I came to the conclusion by using mathematical models [note the sarcasm] that you were trying to express the words: Pipe, Rifle and Interplay...) so I am not going to delve into it save from the last part of it that says something along the lines of: "weapons of the leech"...of the leech you say. So is this Diablo 1 or 2? The more it shows that you have NO clue about why some weapons in Diablo have the suffixes and affixes they have. You probably think that the only difference between magical, unique, rare, set and normal items are the colors of the letters. Fallout has no magical weapons or armors or enchantments that give you the some % of the damage you inflict to the enemies, but clearly you are quite out of context. Why combine Fallout with magic? I mean, in games like Shadowrun, magic and technology coexisted but IN FALLOUT?
One last bit of irony as he finishes the post with "HEY ZOTER HOW DO I JOIN PEPLE AGENST SUPITIDY MY TUTER SAYS IM VERY SMART HOW DO I JOIN"...if he joins PAS (he, from all the people in the world...he?) then I have quite a line of inanimate objects and pets that want to join PAS (not that you have to join or something...just do some html tweaking)...Xotor, for all thats holy. Please don't tell him how to join PAS as he would negate what he shows us he is.
 
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