Wht was wrong with fallout 2?

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Everyone complains about the way civilization was being rebuilt, but I LIKED that. I mean, it gave the game an interesting feel, as you went from a simple stone age tribes man to a gun weilding soldier of vault city to a laser gun carrying trooper for the Brotherhood. Don't you think it was nice how the game got more advanced as you neared old population centers? Personally, fallout 2 had a lot of things to do, like slave runs, prize fights, etc. that it would be hard to justify in the original fallout, because too many people were surviving. I'd like to see a sequel where maybe the Shi have formed an empire, and its up to you to unite the tribes with NCR and Vault City to fight them off. With help from the brotherhood, of course.
 
Also, forget "make items scarce, get rid of money". It may be kind of realistic, but fallout isn't realistic. There's the brotherhood, who makes things, vaults, and enclave. They all make high tech stuff, plus you'd think if they built vaults, they'd build long lasting weapons.
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-01 AT 05:21PM (GMT)[p]Well, Fallout is not realistic, no doubt about that, but think about it - what you are saying is that it would be realistic if the former US government and Brotherhood built lasting weapons. It's not about the realism, it's about the atmosphere. Sure, eroded and almost disappeared craters from the nukes are realistic, but if you look at it from my side of view, you will see that virtual absence of craters removes a part of post-NUCLEAR feel. The weapons - and I will say that again - in FO1 were mostly fictional, with only 2 real pistols, and FO2 had a LOT. This "realism" is totaly out of place.

As for NCR etc. - Fallout 2 has LOTS of politics. Is post-nuclear, anarchistic-feudalistic society supposed to have political games? Fallout is about rebirth of civilisation, not about the develpment of it. In short, in the beginning it's all bad and gloomy, and there is some hope in the end. In FO2, the only danger to the civilisation is cheesy Enclave.

Case in point - in 1950s, the majority of fiction portrayed the government as the savior of civilisation, not its destructor. This is because US gov. went into 2 wars and emerged a victor, plus having the monopoly on the world's deadliest weapon. Hardly anyone thought that the government will be the bad guys (well, they were, but it's not in the fiction).

Now, back to Enclave, NCR and SanFran - excuse me, but they were not made after any look-alike in post-nuclear fiction. What I mean is, they are based after familiar ideas, but the way they are portrayed violates all rules of the post-nuclear fiction. The architecture, the technology they have, the way they talk, hey, even the music looks out of place. In p-n fiction, Chinese and Japanese were either enemies, or barbarians. Same goes for talking deathclaws - they are p-n's monsters, horrible and deadly mutations, not some cuddly iguanas.

As for New Reno... Well, Italian mafia was big before the WW2, and after it all the talk was about "atomic power". Mafia had nothing to do with the post-nuclear fiction.

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I'm just saying keep the theme of fallout 2 going, rebirth of civilization, etc. etc. Maybe fast foward 20 years. Chosen one got married, and you're about to take over Arroyo. Then Chosen one gets shot by agent of next scout person. now you, his son, come in and stop them from taking over world.
 
Fuck the rebirth

I want the old fallout feeling with destroyed towns scattered roads and more. It was to little of this in F2, only a few citys had that.
Keep the ruins all the way trough. That is one of the reasons that F1 is better than F2.

I don't like rebirth of civilization with klean citys like The NCR or the New Reno(New reno was to klean) or whatever, keep it more like klamath and the Den.
The sise of the citys I do not care so much about, But keep the blody fallout feeling.
That is all (and no monthy pyton)
 
RE: Fuck the rebirth

How about a mix? say places like new reno and the den, but towards, oh, former cali, civilization is rebuilding. So you'll see tribes, ruins out west, but near cali, you might see vault city bigger, san fran, broterhood hq.
 
This is not rebirth. Rebirth is when in the beginning it's all hopeless anarchy-feudalism, and at the end of the game is some hope for the civilisation to spring up again (because of your noble accomplishments, ha ha ha). FO2 was about the _development_ of civilisation. There were "countries" (NCR, VCity, SanFran etc.), there were politicians (OMG!) in nice civil dress, the business sector was blooming (porno industry, mining, casinos...) - this is not about the surviving anymore, this is about putting on some fat. Is it Fallout? Yes. Why? Because it has "Fallout" in its name. Is it true to the classic? No. Why? Because the world and priorities have changed.

So what is my and other people's problem? FO2 not living up to classic. All it did was fixing some annoying shortcomings of the interface.

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DON'T STAB!!!

And don't hang me for this either...

Fallout 3, FORGET FALLOUT AND FALLOUT 2, either start from scratch (V13 would be no more than a special encounter, at worst.best), or have it take place BEFORE FALLOUT!

And NO, don't have a war break out between the New Arroyo/Vault City Alliance and the NCR and/or the Mid-California Coalition (New Reno, San Fran, NAVARRO) in order to get a Fallout feel again. JUST START OVER.

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Tell me, purple and green don't combine very well, do they?
 
RE: DON'T STAB!!!

Actually, I agree with you. I mean, enough with California and the Vaults and the Vault Dweller's legacy! Don't you have brains to do something ORIGINAL without loosing the atmosphere of the Fallout, BiS? If you are smart, you can always work around the game without getting repetitive and without changing too much.

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RE: DON'T STAB!!!

How about putting it on the east coast? the radiation would just be stopping there, so we'd see lots of chaos, but maybe a few vault city type places too. I wanna see the ruins of new york, damnit!
 
RE: STAB!!!

Good Lord, not Vault City! Well, at least make it different, not that lame-ass parody on 'pure-blood human cities of the future'...

I have doubts about East Coast, but it could work.

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