NCR Trooper uniform

Lone Cat

Lone Cat

It Wandered In From the Wastes
1. Who designed it? and what is the inspiration of the early 1900s designs?
2. What is a material that makes the uniform, and the helmet?
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^ The helmet itself looks like a pith helmet. a colonial variants. the actual pith helmet could be made from either bamboo, hard clothes, or hard leather. in FO world, it is commonly recognized that a race of double-headed cow, the Brahmins, are the lifeblood of every tribes throughout the postwar wastelands. notably in the Core region, the Mojave desert, and even Capitol wastes.
while Bramin hide makes leather products, it is possible that NCR might issue a pith helmet to every troopers since there's no supply shortages on leather. as opposed to materials required to make pre-war combat armor, which are mainly composed of hi-grade polymers similar to real life aramids. but if iron can still be mined (as seen in FO2) is it possible that NCR issued steel 'broadie' helmet to troopers? if not. why?
3. Does the armor and the helmet provide wearer a protection from shrapnels as expected by WW1-era helmet?
 
Lone Cat said:
but if iron can still be mined (as seen in FO2) is it possible that NCR issued steel 'broadie' helmet to troopers? if not. why?
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There should really be an abundance of steel logically what with all the old cars, girders etc etc they could just salvage from cities flattened in the Great War.

As for the uniform material cotton is grown in California so that could be it (it's a thirsty crop though which might help explain the NCR's water shortage). Otherwise wool I'd think.
 
They always looked to me like they were made of uncomfortable, coarse plant fibres, possibly jute- or hemp-based. These are, as Hotpoint mentions, thirsty crops though. It's possible that some mutant variant of fibre-producing plant has sprung up that's more amenable to wasteland condition, much like the food crops you see all over the place in the first two games, but that's purely speculative.
 
Hotpoint said:
Lone Cat said:
but if iron can still be mined (as seen in FO2) is it possible that NCR issued steel 'broadie' helmet to troopers? if not. why?
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There should really be an abundance of steel logically what with all the old cars, girders etc etc they could just salvage from cities flattened in the Great War.

As for the uniform material cotton is grown in California so that could be it (it's a thirsty crop though which might help explain the NCR's water shortage). Otherwise wool I'd think.
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by the time of 2281. much of the NCR has become civilized. i bet all of scrapmetals left from the 2077 crisis have all been expoited.

while one says that NCR troops wear a uniform made of a very coarse, uncomf'table plant fibers. then it is not only means of economy but also to provide addition protection initially provided by cuirass (dunno, one source says it made of hardened brahmin leather, other says it is shrapnel-proof metal. ) now. what about helmet. can anyone tells me the materials that makes it?
 
Lone Cat said:
by the time of 2281. much of the NCR has become civilized. i bet all of scrapmetals left from the 2077 crisis have all been exploited.
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Extremely unlikely. The NCR has maybe ten percent at most of the population of California before the war, they just couldn't use up the quantity of metal that could be salvaged from the wreckage of the old cities.

Look at it this way, Los Angeles City Hall alone contains eight thousand tons of steel in its construction and the NCR probably isn't building skyscrapers.
 
yep i think even by 2084. any populated NCR city still has a 18th century building styles and by then i doubt anyone in the NCR cares about the need of scyscrapers.
how many percentage of landmass within NCR territory remain unexploited to date?
 
I got some goggles like that from Ebay, and the army surps shop in my town sells piths. I plan to get some puttees (which from my net searching cost a bit to get the right thing) and then the main trouble will be the armour.. why am I doing this the answer friends is I have no life ;)
 
OK an updated NCR Armor entry on Fallout Wikia said that the cuirass is made of metal. the shoulderpad (actaully it is a gorget :P) made of leather. The helmet however, remains unanswered.

it has the same DT as Legionairy basic helmet (made of Football helm, also basic legionaire wears leather-hardened footballer curirass but weaker than NCR), construction hat (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Construction_hat . actually another helmet that looks like actual Broadie and I think it was made of steel.) and biker's helm if it is indeed made of metal, why WW1 broad brim adrian brodie is used? and can hardened brahmin hide attain the DT of 2? Metals aren't quite a problem. I think an actual broadie has a DT of 3

sorry i've been away on this affairs for a big while meow.
 
Well it's inspired by the Colonial Desert / Africa uniforms (to my eye look's mostly British), they would mostly have a outer dust layer of a lightly impregnated canvas / woven fibers.
With under layers of Cotton, Shirt, Vest. Not sure about the underware.

The webbing would be leather and canvas, with steel or brass fittings, the boot's would be leather with hob nails in the sole.

As for what the "Armour" would be, well I seriously doubt that sort of uniform has any, in the real world body Armour is relativity new for rank and file, during WW2 I know some early bomber crews where given a flack jacket that was a heavy vest made from a leather inner, with a a layer of metal slugs sewn in a grid arrangement with a canvas outer layer, but it wasn't popular or successful as the name implys it was designed to stop AA (flack) fire but in a situation where your going up agenst bladed weapons I can see it being more use.

I have a book detailing the equipment issued to British troops from 1890 to 1920 that has the full details of the uniforms and the construction I'll dig it out and post more detailed findings.
 
The link to Something Awful has a post by JE Sawyer (Ropekid). He states its a mix of British and Aussie WWII uniforms.

Morphine was so good why did mark sandman have to die. Goddamn you italy
 
There is at least one soldier with a combat helmet in Camp McCarran, though. :>
 
Wintermind said:
The link to Something Awful has a post by JE Sawyer (Ropekid). He states its a mix of British and Aussie WWII uniforms.

Morphine was so good why did mark sandman have to die. Goddamn you italy
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http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/italian-militaria/real-italian-pith-helmet-16243/

Look! I've found where does the NCR 'Trooper Helmet' designs actaully comes from. it is of 'Italian' designs (brims were broader ad the rear than in the front side). having DT2 doesn't explain the materials that made that helmet.
1. 'Construction hat' worn by Quarry Miners also has a DT of 2, yet it appears to be made of steel. I don't think it will be made of Plastic as Motorcycle helmet was made of. I don't think that NCR has any tech to convert plants/woods to plastics, also by the end of F2. Oil Rig is destroyed so any attempts to make plastic is impossible without converting other organic substances
2. Legionaire recruit helmet has a DT of 2 too! but it is clearly covered in brahmin leather. (and does so his armor)
 
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