Morgan_
Duckerz
Same lol. I redringed 3 Xboxs on Oblivion.
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remake/Remaster.
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malakas
Veganarchist
Shit like this is exactly why I hate remakes and discussions revolving around them. A little hyperbolic but like most remakes always miss the point, though even those are still better than fans hypothesizing about remakes and giving the absolute shittest "fixes" to what wasn't broken. 99% of remake discussion is always "let's add the SEQUEL THINGS...TO OLD THING!!," which is truly a testament to how creatively bankrupt fans (especially "casual" fans) can be. Like it's one thing to not be the elder scrolls wizard, and another to have the creativity of a gnat. Whenever a remake or remaster DOES do that? Congratulations, you just made the game a worse version of the sequel and subsequently removed the original charm.
So it's not at all surprising how bethesda fans clamor for the chance of getting a morrowind for people without motor functions. These ARE the same people who played Skyrim and somehow didn't get mindlessly bored.
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
if they removed and dumbed down stuff in this remaster, you bet your ass Bethesda fans would have complained. Basically it's fine to dumb down games that are too complex for them, but god forbid they simplify their precious game that is already braindead and simple.
Big No
Watch as I open and close this door
Creetosis seemed to enjoy the remaster for what it was. Most criticisms come from the whole 'Body type' debacle and that the game acts as an unearned 'win' for Bethesda. But other than that, he seemed to like it alot.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
I don't need to play it to know it isn't different enough from the original. The original issues are still there en masse.
If it was any other game people would be shitting all over it but the unwashed filthy masses have a weird blindspot for early Bethesda games.
If it was any other game people would be shitting all over it but the unwashed filthy masses have a weird blindspot for early Bethesda games.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
I watched this video just before I went to bed, and it made some great points.
Microsoft is not content with Bethesda's lacklustre performance, the slow pace of development and the disappointment that was Starfield.
To remedy this, Microsoft is testing the waters with the Oblivion remake, which was made in UE5 with a sprinkle of Gamebryo. The end goal is to see if they can cut Bethesda off from its main franchises and utilise other game studios. This might explain why Bethesda is so keen on keeping the creation engine—it's a survival strategy. They're the only ones who know how to use it.
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
Good to know Creetosis is also prone to having really bad opinions. For someone that made hours long videos shitting on Fallout 3 and 4, to say he liked the Oblivion remaster when it's guilty of many, and i mean many, of the same issues as those two games is incredibly weird.
Iprovidelittlepianos
Vault Senior Citizen
Creetosis seems to care more about lore and worldbuilding than actual RPG gameplay.
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
The lore and worldbuilding in Oblivion sucks though.
Iprovidelittlepianos
Vault Senior Citizen
It’s elder scrolls though so it’s not as important.
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
Except it was before Oblivion.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
People love to use the books in the game as validation for it having "good lore".
They've never heard of "show don't tell" apparently.
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
A lot of the new lore in the books in Oblivion is garbage. So even if you showed it, it still sucks.
ResetRPG
Algebraic Geometry and Dandelion Soup
Just 100%'d Oblivion Remaster about a week and a half ago.
Solid and streamlined RPG Experience. Fixes the shit leveling system for a more streamlined and easier to understand level system.
Radiant AI is still a shitshow (endearingly).
Still much better than anything Bethesda has released in the past 18 years.
Since I shameless degen for game remasters and a console peasant, I would like to see them re-release Morrowind with a competent journal and map and less fog on Xbox, and I would shamelessly drop $70 on it and no life it for a solid couple of months.
Solid and streamlined RPG Experience. Fixes the shit leveling system for a more streamlined and easier to understand level system.
Radiant AI is still a shitshow (endearingly).
Still much better than anything Bethesda has released in the past 18 years.
Since I shameless degen for game remasters and a console peasant, I would like to see them re-release Morrowind with a competent journal and map and less fog on Xbox, and I would shamelessly drop $70 on it and no life it for a solid couple of months.
slacker
Why work when you can raid?
I believe he did mention in one of his videos that Oblivion is the last Bethesda game he at least sorta liked, so maybe he (like a lot of us) is so depressed by the decline of their subsequent games that he just appreciated a little reminder of a time when Skyrim and Fallout 4 didnt exist...
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
"Perhaps I judged you too harshly?"
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
Oblivion is patient zero for the current bad design choices of Bethesda. Don't know why people should be kinder to it just because the following games are worse.
Morrowind is the last game where Bethesda actually gave a shit about making actual RPGs, not action games with light RPG elements.
slacker
Why work when you can raid?
Yeah, for all its flaws, Oblivion is no Fallout 76.
I agree its the start of the decline in many ways, I was just trying to say that given how crap their games are now, it's easy for folks to look back at Oblivion and think "well, I guess that wasn't so bad". Hindsight is an odd thing.
Norzan
Half-way Through My Half-life
I instead just look at what the games after Oblivion as just natural progression. They saw that they could get away with making baby's first RPG with the fourth entry of a 10 year old franchise, then proceed it to do it with the following games.
Basically things don't happen in a vaccum, Skyrim is shallow because Oblivion started pushing the series towards more shallow gameplay and content. But the fact people creamed all over Skyrim means Bethesda was actively being rewarded for going with this direction. And what did it led to? To Starfield and Fallout 76.
So in a way, games like Starfield and Fallout 76 are at least partially to blame for people embracing this design mentality, the same people that are now bitching that Starfield isn't Skyrim in space.
slacker
Why work when you can raid?
I dont disagree with anything you said there. I saw Creetosis's video and although I haven't played the remaster myself, I have watched someone else play it and I have played the original Oblivion (as well as Skyrim, Morrowind and Daggerfall) so yeah definitely able to see where it was a sort of trial run for the intense dumbing down we've seen in Bethesda games since.
And this carries over into Fallout as well for me, even though I've only played 3 and NV, man can I see the difference... considering that the design team for NV seems to have included some old hands from the first two games, I can definitely see how Bethesda dumbed down so many aspects of the series in Fallout 3 chasing mass appeal, and from what I've watched of gameplay from the later games, it seems 3 was the Oblivion equivalent for the Fallout series.