It's more than completely doable, all that limits people is imagination and willingness to be faithful to either source. There must be a level of compromise, but that is easy.
Even this is possible and even acceptable. Paradoxes and internal contradictions are forgiveable with the use of a framing device.
If Van Buren's lead writer says that the NCR canonically disappears at the end of it, then I'm going with that. Anyways, trying to merge two different timelines, from two different development teams, BIS and Bethesda, into a single one is always going to be an exercise in heavy compromises.
Doesn't seem like he said that. Even in the screenshot you posted, he notes that he didn't want to destroy the NCR 100%.
Dev here. The biggest reason we didn’t wanna merge it with New Vegas is that ultimately, for a lot of players, the notion that most groups in the mod will canonically fall to legion expansion creates a rather dour tone for the whole experience, and it’s much more fun if you don’t know exactly where the story is gonna go, as much as we can do that considering the design docs are public. It’s meant to be its own experience akin to something like Enderal, rather than something that feeds into the base game like New California
Agree to disagree. Something that big should be explored as a full story in and of itself rather than a simple choice the player makes at the end of an experience that can’t be explored fully by its very nature. I personally don’t jive with the idea of destroying the NCR’s core, and the TV show also didn’t do that, seeing as there’s an embargo on mentioning Northern California and San Francisco placed on the show’s writers, I have to imagine that Bethesda is planning on setting a project there and having the NCR show up, possible as a twist.
Ehh I think enclave fatigue is overstated. People are tired of shallow depictions of them rather than just depictions of them in general. I mean look at all the mods that revolve around them. There’s an appetite for enclave stories, they just have to be more in depth than fallout 3.
Not to “um actually” you here but the whole reason the master doesn’t just kill the vault dweller is because he needed a way into your vault, he couldn’t just crack em open like lobster (the time limit is for them running out of water, not for the mutants breaking in) Same with the NCR. The show also explicitly shows that the NCR did indeed find vault 33 and vault 4 and had diplomatic ties with the latter. It took them a long long time to find vault 13, and that was when they were at their most expansionary. What Hanlon said and what the show shows is also not mutually exclusive. Lucy was like 4-7 when she was in shady sands, so this was like ~11 or so years before she left the vault in 2296(?) so Hanlon wouldn’t have been young when the NCR was siphoning vault water, so his comment about the sources being dry isn’t contradicted.
Maybe I’m wrong but that’s not how I remember it. First of all, he offers you a chance to join the Unity, and if you refuse then he does try to kill you. Nothing mentioned about needing the Vault Dweller to get into the Vault. Second, there is indeed a second time limit after the water chip that counts down how long it takes for the mutants to find Vault 13. This was eventually patched out of the game, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Master is searching for Vault 13, not searching for a way to open it. And if you join the Unity, the cutscene shows the Vault’s door blasted open/ripped off, so I don’t see why he would need the Vault Dweller for that. But there are other things wrong with that cutscene anyway, like how the mutants seem to massacre everyone instead of taking them alive for dipping, so perhaps the cutscene should be taken with a grain of salt.
Yeah I believe they didn’t think that hard about it when they started work, then realized later that all of the things they put in didn’t make sense together, and decided to patch it out to remove a hole in the plot, which is why I didn’t mention it since it likely isn’t canon due to the aforementioned patching. It also just makes more sense that there were numerous vaults in one of the biggest metropolitan areas on earth instead of one that wasn’t actually meant to work and was just a demonstration vault. Vaults were meant to withstand direct hits from nukes, and the master doesn’t have anything close to that capability, and I think the devs realized that and decided to patch it out as a result. Also, vault 33 is in Santa Monica, while Vault 4 is somewhere around Hollywood in northern LA, so it’s not super weird that the master didn’t get to them in the timeframe of fallout one considering it takes him a while to even get to Adytum which is in the same metropolitan area, and he might’ve actually known where that was since it was a contacted settlement
i think the ncr should fall because of is failures and greed, but if you wan so badly to nuke it make it consequence to their action, parallel to pre war america, would you stand against them or just have faith in them, some conflict like the one in the eternal champion book
i don't like the enclave they are a down grade to the unity as antagonist, and the original idea tim cain had for them is more interesting than the fallout 2 version, but it is boring when a faction have unlimited number of fetuses to grow up off screen and re use them every game because they are "iconic" even when you are killing most of their population
um no? the master only care if you want to join him if not he will just kill you he doesn't even try to torture you
no they didn't and that's why they were build under ground
Yeah I believe they didn’t think that hard about it when they started work, then realized later that all of the things they put in didn’t make sense together, and decided to patch it out to remove a hole in the plot, which is why I didn’t mention it since it likely isn’t canon due to the aforementioned patching. It also just makes more sense that there were numerous vaults in one of the biggest metropolitan areas on earth instead of one that wasn’t actually meant to work and was just a demonstration vault. Vaults were meant to withstand direct hits from nukes, and the master doesn’t have anything close to that capability, and I think the devs realized that and decided to patch it out as a result. Also, vault 33 is in Santa Monica, while Vault 4 is somewhere around Hollywood in northern LA, so it’s not super weird that the master didn’t get to them in the timeframe of fallout one considering it takes him a while to even get to Adytum which is in the same metropolitan area, and he actually knew were that was since he
Vault 12 was designed to break immediately and vault 15 was destroyed in fighting after it opened I believe. Vault 87 face tanked a nuke. I addressed the other stuff in my other reply but we’re quite far off topic now.
Doesn't Hexer's insistence about a nuclear apocalypse being inevitable at the end of the game also put a dour mood on everything?
That’s only one of many endings
You don't have to scroll far up to see that Hexer is insisting to me that Van Buren must end with nuclear apocalypse and he cites it as a key reason for why a Van Buren-New Vegas timeline is completely irreconcilable. Which is it? If it's only one of many endings then you must concede that the lead dev's original argument is not only misinformed but irrelevant.
