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i was just watching the news and they were talking about mp3 downloading. They said that even though no one is being charged (yet) for downloading music, it is technicly illegal and the possible fines are $150,000 per song or 5 years in prison. Can you imagine that? I can hardly imagine a world where i can't hear almost any song in a matter of seconds...for free ofcourse.

Here's a similar article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,63631,00.html
 
I don't want to think about how many years I would get in jail then..
What am I saying?!?! I only use mp3 for backups!! yeah, that's what I do.... }>

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screw that, lets say I like to lsiten to more than one CD at a time, and not every song on a CD... I could burn MP3's form my own CD's....


how are they gunna prove I didn't do that?

law suits are for poor bitchasses...
 
If you have an original CD and you rip the songs, it's leagel.

If you download songs you did not pay for, it's not.

It's been like this for a long time.
I can't understand how can you be surprised at this.
 
>If you have an original CD
>and you rip the songs,
>it's leagel.
>
>If you download songs you did
>not pay for, it's not.
>
>
>It's been like this for a
>long time.
>I can't understand how can you
>be surprised at this.

Well, until it is enforced at the local level it will never really come into effect. It simply isn't worth the time of these websites to go after casual rippers just like it isn't worth a software company to go after casual piraters. They'll shut down websites that distribute mp3s and maybe sharing networks, if they can, but usually not after the citizens themselves.

The SPA hasn't come to your house because of the warez you have in your CD binder, what makes you think the MPAA is going to be knocking at your door either?

-Xotor-

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I hear also that certain record companies are trying to make it illegal to record cd's (put a code in the music to make it unrecordable). They claim they are losing too much money because of mp3's, which is bull&^*%$. Before mp3's everyone used to record their friends records or tapes or make mixed tapes for friends. How else are you supposed to hear the new music that is out. Everything is controled on the radio. All you hear are the same songs over and over again. I liked mp3's because they allowed you to hear music you've never heard before and then you could decide weather or not you wanted to buy the cd. I think it's all just a money making ploy. Next thing they'll try to do is make it illegal to even share songs with friends. The whole world will have to own theyre own copy of everything (just like microsoft). No sharing allowed!! "What's that you say, You just shared your extra double large nuka cola with your friend? I'm sorry but sharing is punishable by death!" BLAM!
Thank god for ftp sites.
 
>I hear also that certain record
>companies are trying to make
>it illegal to record cd's
>(put a code in the
>music to make it unrecordable).
> They claim they are
>losing too much money because
>of mp3's, which is bull&^*%$.

Well Philips will have something to say about that before they can label it a "CD." They're not letting CD makers tarnish the Compact Disc logo with CDs that employ out-of-spec CD making systems. CDs made with anti-piracy measures must not be labelled as CDs but instead carry titles like "EnhancedDisc" or some other bullshit. If you get one of them and find it uprippable, you can, by law, return it to the store for being defective, which it is. In Europe, I forgot which country, a large store chain returned CDs to the manufacturers stating that they were defective because of that reason.

>Before mp3's everyone used to
>record their friends records or
>tapes or make mixed tapes
>for friends. How else
>are you supposed to hear
>the new music that is
>out.

Well there's the radio... but radio sucks.

>Everything is controled
>on the radio. All
>you hear are the same
>songs over and over again.
> I liked mp3's because
>they allowed you to hear
>music you've never heard before
>and then you could decide
>weather or not you wanted
>to buy the cd.

I am living proof that the Napster concept worked. I bought over twelve CDs (imported!) after previewing some music from Napster. Nothing has come close to it yet.

>I
>think it's all just a
>money making ploy. Next thing
>they'll try to do is
>make it illegal to even
>share songs with friends.

Actually it is already technically illegal, they call it "piracy"; so is public broadcast without a license.

-Xotor-

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I remember bootlegging "piracy" very well. The good ol days of going to cure concerts with a small taperecorder, well rather a big taperecorder compared to todays, stuffed under ones jacket and recording a very crappy tape and distributing friends. Nice and easy. and then with the advent of the handycam. Good times. Before that I remember buying bootlegs of unknown punk bands on 45's. And hell all they did in Korea and Japan is bootleg records.

It's allways been going on and there's allways been laws against it. I think record companies are just a little more scared or greedy because of mp3's. Sure you can download craploads of songs for free which might cut the profit margin (very slightly) but If they can make it completely illegal to share the music. Then they get all the profit and start selling everything in mp3 format wich is much cheaper for them to make. (aren't there mp5's or something that have better sound quality?)
Any hoo! what was I talking about, Oh well forgot my point.

Just making it harder for kids to get free things makes for more illegal ways of kids to do things that are just going to get them in trouble when it wasn't that much trouble to begin with.
 
Heh!! they are trying to undo electronic evolution with fines and fees - They will not succeed....nuff said - damn music-consortiums must be dumber than average people trying to enforce laws on something as global and natural as downloading from the internet. Maybee they'll give up this foolish crusade in a couble of years, realizing thier efforts are in vain. Piracy has come to stay.
 
I really wish they would give up on this anti-smoking crusade! I called the american heart and lung association once to ask them to send me some raw data on how many people have died from smoking. You know what. They have never done an actual study. they just make an estimate based on how many people have died from cancer. hmmm. I wonder where all these t.v. commercials get their facts from?
 
>I hear also that certain record
>companies are trying to make
>it illegal to record cd's
>(put a code in the
>music to make it unrecordable).

The stupid cow from quebec also known as Celine Dion did that on her last cd.
It was unreadable by pc because of some code that was on it. If it would have been anybody else that people cared about, hackers would have found a way to unlock it, probably the same day as it came out, but this being Celine .... nobody gave a shit... nobody wants to hear your so called music anyway.... go back to milking cows ...


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When my nephew was watching the Stuart Little 2 preview on HBO, I checked out the end song.

Holy shit! That...freak...has somehow become some scary shit! That...is...not...human.

Damn you Canadians, inflicting your genetic rejects upon us. First Celine, then Tom Green. WHAT THE FUCK NEXT?!?! *sob*
 
>I really wish they would give
>up on this anti-smoking crusade!
>I called the american
>heart and lung association once
>to ask them to send
>me some raw data on
>how many people have died
>from smoking. You know
>what. They have never done
>an actual study.

You must've not put much effort into your quest. Here are quite a few: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data.htm

>they just
>make an estimate based on
>how many people have died
>from cancer.

Cancer caused by cigarette carcinogens that is. You're not going to get cancer without a carcinogenic source like nicotine or aspestos, and it isn't aspestos.

I'd worry more about the war on drugs. The combined total of all illegal drug-related deaths can't even compare to the number dead from cigarettes (about 440,000/year in the USA annually).

-Xotor-

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>>I hear also that certain record
>>companies are trying to make
>>it illegal to record cd's
>>(put a code in the
>>music to make it unrecordable).
>
>The stupid cow from quebec also
>known as Celine Dion did
>that on her last cd.
>
>It was unreadable by pc because
>of some code that was
>on it. If it would
>have been anybody else that
>people cared about, hackers would
>have found a way to
>unlock it, probably the same
>day as it came out,
>but this being Celine ....
>nobody gave a shit... nobody
>wants to hear your so
>called music anyway.... go back
>to milking cows ...

Yeah I read an article about those copy protecting schemes... in Turkey they had the "unbreakable" copy-protection scheme on an Eminem CD broken and copies distributed in under a month. Not only that, but most of the "l33t h4ck3r$" are just young teens with decent computers.

I rolled my eyes when I heard of the copy protection schemes on DVDs before DeCSS even came about. I knew, as with all electronic piracy countermeasures that there will always be counter-countermeasures to defeat them. If Circuit City Div-X (not the codec) had survived it would've been broken quickly as well.

They seek to control through banning, when they should control through regulation.

-Xotor-

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>
>I'd worry more about the war
>on drugs. The combined
>total of all illegal drug-related
>deaths can't even compare to
>the number dead from cigarettes
>(about 440,000/year in the USA
>annually).

Yet costs a lot more in govt. costs, invites abusive laws, people have gotten severely screwed by even under suspicion of having drugs.

The only reason why the 'War on Drugs' is given any support is the scare tactics used in combination with half-education in schools and celebrity deaths. Plus, the porkers...I mean, politicians, love those laws because it's a great way to get money approvals and just sink the money into little black holes.

Yet the number of alcohol and cigarette-related deaths are FAR larger than that of illegal drugs, even proportionate to usage. Granted, some illegal drugs are very bad with no beneficial use. Those like weed are actually less harmful than alcohol in some ways and can give benefits to an increased appetite, which helps those with AIDS or Crohn's/colitis, etc. Even when weed was legal, the only thing in danger with that is the 7-11 shelves and maxing out your credit card.
 
>
>>
>>I'd worry more about the war
>>on drugs. The combined
>>total of all illegal drug-related
>>deaths can't even compare to
>>the number dead from cigarettes
>>(about 440,000/year in the USA
>>annually).
>
>Yet costs a lot more in
>govt. costs, invites abusive laws,
>people have gotten severely screwed
>by even under suspicion of
>having drugs.

$147 billion was spent on the war on drugs in 1999. Essentially, if we spent $2 million to create a drug rehab/distrobution center instead of paying for extra enforcement, we could create over 73,500 centers nationwide per year. Virtually every city in the country could have one.

>The only reason why the 'War
>on Drugs' is given any
>support is the scare tactics
>used in combination with half-education
>in schools and celebrity deaths.
> Plus, the porkers...I mean,
>politicians, love those laws because
>it's a great way to
>get money approvals and just
>sink the money into little
>black holes.

I also believe that the tobacco industry helps fuel the drug war as well. Marijuana would literally kill off the tobacco industry. Unlike tobacco which needs a climate like the south-east coast, it can grow virtually anywhere like a weed. It doesn't kill the soil like tobacco either so expensive fertilizers wouldn't be needed. Then we could replace all timber used for paper with the hemp fiber with extra to spare, not to mention use it for fuel. It is literally a wonder plant.

>Yet the number of alcohol and
>cigarette-related deaths are FAR larger
>than that of illegal drugs,
>even proportionate to usage.
>Granted, some illegal drugs are
>very bad with no beneficial
>use. Those like weed
>are actually less harmful than
>alcohol in some ways and
>can give benefits to an
>increased appetite, which helps those
>with AIDS or Crohn's/colitis, etc.
> Even when weed was
>legal, the only thing in
>danger with that is the
>7-11 shelves and maxing out
>your credit card.

What is really interesting is that to match the number of deaths related to cigarettes (~440,000/year), the deathcount due to *all* illicit drug use would need to rise over 2500% (25x) from 17,000/year.

I hate it when big government picks the greater of two evils.

-Xotor-

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That's the real problem. We make too many goofy laws that have no juncture with the major sociological problems. It all seems like a deturant to keep us focased on the wrong things. "look! over there, a ciggarette butt! Hah, stoll your wallet!" My biggest problem with all the problems is that I don't caaaaare!
I don't care weather people smoke, do drugs or have unprotected sex. We just need to make safe environments to let people do what they want. Controlled chaos! Want to be a stoner? Great good for you. Here's your pass to stonersville, have a nice day. I don't think I would want to hang out in crackville to ofton though. All the norms could hangout in Disnyland. But since that's not going to happen we can just sit back and watch america fall apart. The more laws we create, the less freedoms we have. The less freedoms we have the more rebelious the populas will become. The more rebelious the more laws and so on and so on and so forth. And all the kings men and all the kings horses couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again.
 
o.k. It's got some nifty numbers, but where is the hard data. Did someone actually go out and count the dead people do an autopsy on everyone and say "yes" this is all caused from second hand smoking. There's no way possible this cancer could have been caused by polution or other toxigens in the air. So 62000 people in america die from smoking related injuries a year? What the hell is everybody else dieing from? And does it really matter? The minute you take your first breath you start to die. There's no avoiding it, we're all going to die. So what if some people go faster than others. Anybody could die at any second of there whole life. It's a crap shoot. What are we trying to do? Prolong our existance.....Wow what a depresing thought. Oh well! back to playing video games.
 
>o.k. It's got some nifty numbers,
>but where is the hard
>data. Did someone actually go
>out and count the dead
>people do an autopsy on
>everyone and say "yes" this
>is all caused from second
>hand smoking.

Did I state that those figures are from secondhand smoke? Even then you cannot deny that the smoke that is breathed second hand is basically the same shit that goes directly into the smoker's lungs.

>There's no
>way possible this cancer could
>have been caused by polution
>or other toxigens in the
>air.

Yeah, but what causes *cancer* in the lungs? Also, if that pollution is so prevalent, why don't non-smokers in the same region report the same cancer?

>So 62000 people in
>america die from smoking related
>injuries a year? What the
>hell is everybody else dieing
>from?

According to the Deaths: Leading Causes for 2000. NVSR Vol. 50, No. 16. 86 pp. (PHS) 2002-1120. (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/releases/02facts/final2000.htm), the number one cause of death is cardiovascular dysfunction (heart disease) which causes over 710,000 deaths per year, then malignant neoplasms (cancer) at over 553,000 deaths, cerebrovascular diseases (stroke) at 167,000, and finally chronic lower respiratory diseases at over 122,000. Accidents, diabetes and other diseases account for the rest.

As of the year 2000, about 872 deaths per 100,000 occured in the USA. Multiply that out with the USA's population of 275 million and you get about 2,398,000 per year death rate. If smoking claims ~440,000 deaths per year, that's approximately one in five deaths in the USA per year, a substantial number. Deaths due to cigarette exposure are not listed in the mortality rates specifically because that merely lists deaths at the disease-cause level, not at the source. Deaths related to smoking include cancer, respiratory disease and heart disease.

>And does it
>really matter? The minute
>you take your first breath
>you start to die.

If you ascribe to that logic, birth could be attributed as a cause of death.

>There's
>no avoiding it, we're
>all going to die.
>So what if some people
>go faster than others.
>Anybody could die at any
>second of there whole life.
> It's a crap shoot.
> What are we trying
>to do? Prolong our
>existance.....Wow what a depresing thought.

*Rolls eyes*

-Xotor-

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>That's the real problem. We make
>too many goofy laws that
>have no juncture with the
>major sociological problems. It all
>seems like a deturant to
>keep us focased on the
>wrong things. "look! over
>there, a ciggarette butt!
>Hah, stoll your wallet!"
>My biggest problem with all
>the problems is that I
>don't caaaaare!

For a person who "doesn't care" you seem to have some strong opinions about some issues.

> I don't care weather
>people smoke, do drugs or
>have unprotected sex. We
>just need to make safe
>environments to let people do
>what they want. Controlled chaos!

*Sigh*, chaos doesn't exist. Anarchy doesn't exist either.

>Want to be a stoner?
>Great good for you. Here's
>your pass to stonersville, have
>a nice day. I
>don't think I would want
>to hang out in crackville
>to ofton though. All
>the norms could hangout in
>Disnyland. But since that's
>not going to happen we
>can just sit back and
>watch america fall apart.

Actually laws keep it together. From the scenario you're describing, the people are more separated than ever.

>The more laws we create,
>the less freedoms we have.

That depends on what "freedoms" you think are important. I don't do drugs so really I don't care either way whether they're banned or not. What I do care about is that those laws and the enforcement is costing a lot of resources, resources that could be used for other things.

>The less freedoms we have
>the more rebelious the populas
>will become. The more
>rebelious the more laws and
>so on and so on
>and so forth. And all
>the kings men and all
>the kings horses couldn't put
>humpty dumpty back together again.

You're too optimistic. I don't believe in the populous. People are too uninformed.

-Xotor-

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