A Philosophical Request

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SegaBoy is beeing searching for you in ages, why don`t you send him a mail or something, he thought you were dead...
 
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I dought anyone is reading this so i'll just talk to myself. Beef is a gay topic to talk about, but i like to eat it. Anyway back to the more intellegent post.

The meaning of existance is to exist. it is not a religous matter. religion actually clouds the mind from the truth. it is because of this that i have given up on all religions. I am not alone. Two others to follow (some what). One believes that all religions (excluding cults) are the same. Most preach the same philosophy. The other thinks that all religions are cult, there is no god or gods, and people use religion as a cheap answer to questions they don't want to actually answer. He has no answer for life before life in this univers or after death. The probability of actually finding the truth is so remote that he should just not bother. Instead occuppy the time inbetween with seeingly pointless task to avoid insaity. We all can agree on the same philosophy. If you are evil bad things will happen to you; if you are good good things will happen to you.

I have come to terms as to why I am here. It is simple and condeed by the popular christion faith. Sex. We are here to keep the race alive. What should be your first priority is your self. Make sure you will survive. Number two make sure others will suvive. Thus insuring survival of the species. Homosexuallyit is totally wrong in every aspect. It denies BILLIONS of years of evolution.

(If you want you can skip this paragraph). In a way i hate creationalist for they are copletely wrong in thier beliefes. I also like them for that. It is fun proving the wrong. The look on their face is priceless when they relise that everything their parents have taught the from day one was bull shit. The world was not made in seven day, we are not decened from adam and eve, there was no great flood, so on and so forth. There is solid scientific documented evidence proving evolution to be true. They did get one thing right. there was no pangea. This is not widely accepted by the scientific comunity, but none the less, the evidence can not and will not be ignored. For this to be true the different plates would have to move at very different speed and there is only so much room to move. The plates would have hade to over and under each other without haring the habbitat. For example: after carbon dating several fosils, it was found that south america would have to be connected to africa while north america had seperated from europe. Than in a few thousand years it would reconnect to north america when it took a couple illion years for the north to make the trip asuing it was constntly moving and did not sudenly stop to wait where it is now for the south to connect. Don't even let me get started about alaska. that is where the solid evidece lays. it is just coincedence that alaska is forcing into canada witch it was suupposedly already a part of. It was never part of russia. The island chains are just volcanic islands being created by the fault. the life forms crossed over when the bering strait forze over. who care that the fosils of plant that appere in russia and alaska and can't survive that climate in the first place are older than that time period.

There is a theory that if anyone ever figures out what exactly the univers is for, than it will be destroyed and replaced by something even more bizzare and uncoprehensible. There is a nother theory that this has already happend. who knows were the univers cae from? We know the earth is made form the left over elements when the sun was formed. Life was not started by a god. Scientist in califoria place several chemical under near absolute zero teperatures and ultra violit rays. An environment similar to space. the result was a yellow ooze. When the ooze was veiwed under the microscope, the ooze reacted to the water on the slide froing a cell embrain. This accedent got several people a nobel prize nomination. the life adated to better suit its ever changing environent until it becae us. to say we have soles is to say that even the siplest bacteria have soles. There is no exitance before life and no life after death. when you die there is no more existance for you. there is nothing. but you wont care, you won't be. there is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no pergitory, and above all there is no god. That is my finall stand.

I could drag on but i am getting tired of reading y own writings. A suggestion for the next conversation. It is like wich came first the chicken or the egg. The Egg duh. The egg was laid by something like a chicken but not quite. the chicken came out of the egg. Its all evolution.

My question: Which came first the thought or the word. Without the thought, how can you understand the word. Without the word how can you interprate the thought. Something to ponder.
 
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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-02 AT 08:09AM (GMT)[p]I started to read this thread, but it got kind of long so if i missed someone's point im sorry but i thought i would chime.

It seems to me that existance would be a lot simpler if you have a belief system. I dont want to sound like a jesus freak, but say for example, you believed in God. You could pick up the bible and read about how on the first day god created the heavens and the earth. There you go right there. No questions, no long explainations. It also answers other questions. why are we here? to serve god. Where do we go when we die? heaven or hell. Now is this right? How can anyone be sure? It's pretty damn hard to be a christian when you cant see or hear god. And the only thing you have prove to yourself that god is real is a book. But, if you did believe, than existance would be an easy topic to grasp.
 
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I believe that not having a belief system brings everything into perspective for you and you can see everything without a bias. I do not know why we are here I wish to know somday but the answer eludes me maybe we are here to ask why?
 
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No offense, but if you pay attention, you'll notice that this thread is a year old. Most of the guys on this thread no longer hang around that much any more. Sorry to disappoint you.

If you like this kind of discussion, you can try either the Unwashed boards, or the DAC boards.

Starseeker, signing off.

"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
 
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I'm still around, and I can actually write without frequent errors and what I write actually (half-way) makes sense now. If you're still around and interested in continuing the discussion, I'd be happy to do so, though my views on everything have probably changed since this was initially posted.

"If we cannot live proudly, we die so!"
-Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
 
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Ok Fang, lets blow the dust off this ball and get it rolling again.
Right, A belief system is no good, I mean take for instance the God belief, ok it's a temporry solution to the answers of life and to the anwers of existance its self, but what if one was to look more closly into Ooo lets say the existance of God him self, i mean were in the blue hell did he come from, yeh God created us right, well then who created god, he cant of just appeared out of now were and created the earth and the universe.
That is the major flaw in religions to day...there is no proof of any of it, there is only a handfull of story's that are ancient.

All in all a belief system is allright if you want to live in ignorance and pretend that God is the only reason for our exsistence, but God is a far as it goes for religious people but there is no way that it can end there, every thing has a creator even God.

Well this is what i think anyways, If you disagree with me then please tell me what you peeps think. I for one do think that there are other peoples opinions that are also valid, so come on and speak up:)


This is not an auvoir but a bonjour to an ever lasting dream with out wakening....
 
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Cool, it's good to have someone back here. I'm looking forward to getting back on in but I might not be able to reply today. I have a story that I'm writing and the deadline is kind of tonight.

Tommorow though, I guarantee I'll be here.

"If we cannot live proudly, we die so!"
-Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
 
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Its kool...i have home work to do anyways :)




This is not an auvoir but a bonjour to an ever lasting dream with out wakening....
 
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This was one of the very first points I raised if I remember correctly. There is no doubt about it, and this is one of the problems that I have with religion today. What is there that explains God's existence?

One thing that I continue to believe (don't recall if I brought it up here or not) is that the world exists only because it cannot not exist. This might not make sense at first, but after a while, you start to understand it.

Imagine nothing, imagine the universe gone, and then describe what you see? Many people I have asked this question to simply see an oblivion where our reality had once been. I think it takes a certain sort of creativity and imagination to admit that there cannot be nothing. Somehow, I believe that the fact that there cannot be nothing is what created our existence. Exactly how far back down the process of creation this happened is up to you. Maybe there is a god, maybe he did create our world, maybe he did create us, but he can only be as strong as we choose to make him.

Creation might as well work both ways. If we did not exist, how could God himself exist? You might as well say that we created God, and in fact we did.

Quite frankly, God was the creation of our almost ancient ancestors to explain the overwhelming concepts of philosophy. With very little to no knowledge of science, many things must have seemed overwhelming to the primitive man, and the best way he could possibly explain this was an almighty supernatural being who was responsible for it all.

The fact that God was loving, and provided a life after death proves this even more. Given human's instinct for survival, the fact that he must eventually die one way or another must seem equally as overwhelming, and so the idea of life after death was created to give people hope. After all, if there was nothing after death, what would be the point in life? And, humans could not accept the harshness of reality, and so they created something to replace the balance between law and chaos that dictates what comes of our reality. Now there was certainty, if they make good out of their lives, they will be rewarded, if they make evil, then they will be punished. The world does not work this way, but wouldn't it be good if it did?

There was a need for God, and perhaps we would not be where we are today without him (one way or another). This is clearly visible if you study many religions that are around today, they are just an excuse to explain what humans cannot explain.

How did the world form? When exactly did reality begin? Are we the first? Or the last? Maybe we are what happens when we achieved death in the true life? Maybe our souls were made from the dead of another world. Maybe the universe has repeated the cycle of creation and destruction a million times before it has reached us. But there is no way for us to know the how and why of it. Perhaps one day, we will be in a different place on reality, perhaps then we will be in a better position to understand our world. Until then, we simply cannot. We can theorize on philosophy, come to a mutual agreement on what is most probable, but we can never truly come onto a solid conclusion other than this: We must accept that things are the way they are.


"If we cannot live proudly, we die so!"
-Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
 
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A genius response to a difficult question...i liked it very much, it was full of interesting and true ideas.
The part about imagine nothing, with the universwe gone and nothing there, well i started thinking about that last night and, well it kept me up for a couple of good hours trying to think of what i would see and errr...i still dont know, if you take everything away thee would be nothing left but that cant be right, there has to be somthing there for the universe to exsist in the first place...damnit it's too god damn mind boggling to even think about. I am going to need more time to consider this one with my little mind!





This is not an auvoir but a bonjour to an ever lasting dream with out wakening....
 
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The question has a habit of doing that to people. Think it through, and good luck; you'll need it.

I look forward to your response,

"If we cannot live proudly, we die so!"
-Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
 
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ok....when i picture everything gone....there has to be somthing, allways somthing, or it is in possible for the object before that to exist...this is the only real answer that i can think of sorry if it isnt good enough.
To be honest...i still dont really know, this is my best guess and the only answer for the question. I cant explain why there would be somthing left or what that thing could be but it is inpossible for there to be nothing.



This is not an auvoir but a bonjour to an ever lasting dream with out wakening....
 
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Maybe we should think of a new subject, I think we've about sucked this one dry.

"If we cannot live proudly, we die so!"
-Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
 
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Yea. I think that would be a good idea. I would be glad to suggest a new topic but do you want to continue in this thread or start a new one. If you have any suggestions for a topic that please put them down, I have pretty wacked out views and my suggestions will proberly follow along those lines.



This is not an auvoir but a bonjour to an ever lasting dream with out wakening....
 
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No idea at all, you can suggest the topic. And it's probably best if we do get a new thread.

"If we cannot live proudly, we die so!"
-Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
 
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Ok....i think of a topic and then post it on a new thread tonight if i can...i am not sure what to take in a topic, maybe somthing to do with aliens...that all ways seems to get me going...but anyways i will think of 1 and then post it...


This is not an auvoir but a bonjour to an ever lasting dream with out wakening....
 
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