About hackers and crackers and such...

RE: You are wrong

Finally, I hope this ends this silly conversation! If not, then I'm going to ignore you all! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

>
>Holy ----! Not only
>are you operating under misconceptions,
>but you use bad examples
>that aren't even correct.
>Mitnick broke into several systems
>taking design plans and whatnot
>of different companies, which they
>later released for free, but
>then claimed to the Feds
>that it was worth millions
>of dollars. Among MANY
>other more severe things.
>Look at the whole picture
>sometime before looking at your
>own paranoid version of it.
>
>
>You talk about stupid people, I'll
>accept you as ignorant, but
>look in the mirror and
>ask yourself if you don't
>want to be counted as
>stupid. Because you are
>quickly starting to look that
>way.
>
>>A hacker builds, a cracker destroy.
>>Simply as that.
>
>And yet you show your ignorance.
>
>There are different meaning to a
>word, not just the ones
>that you choose to believe
>in out of sheer stupidity.
>
>
>A hacker, by DEFINITION, is a
>computer buff. First definition.
>
>
>Second definition, is a code assembler.
>
>
>Both kinds of hackers with good
>or ill intent have to
>make their own code and
>know a hell of a
>lot about operating systems.
>
>It's like gun owners.
>Some are respectable homeowners, and others
>criminals. Yet who does
>the media blame the guns
>on? The criminals.
>Thus laying the blame on
>whomever owns the guns.
>Yet you would try and
>argue that the real meaning
>of gun owners is the
>ones who are the respectable
>homeowners, and that criminals don't
>exist.
>
>That's the best parallel I can
>come up with. And
>if you fail to see
>the logic behind that, then
>I am truely sorry for
>you.


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RE: You are wrong

>Holy SHIT! Not only are you operating under
>misconceptions, but you use bad examples that
>aren't even correct. Mitnick broke into several
>systems taking design plans and whatnot of
>different companies, which they later released
>for free, but then claimed to the Feds that it
>was worth millions of dollars. Among MANY other
>more severe things. Look at the whole picture
>sometime before looking at your own paranoid
>version of it.

My paranoid version talks about one of "MANY other severe things". I'm trying to tell you what a hacker thinks.

>You talk about stupid people, I'll accept you as
>ignorant, but look in the mirror and ask
>yourself if you don't want to be counted as
>stupid. Because you are quickly starting to look
>that way.

If you say...

>>A hacker builds, a cracker destroy.
>>Simply as that.
>>
>And yet you show your ignorance.
>There are different meaning to a word, not just
>the ones that you choose to believe in out of
>sheer stupidity.
>
>A hacker, by DEFINITION, is a computer buff.
>First definition
>
>
>Second definition, is a code assembler.
>
>Both kinds of hackers with good or ill intent
>have to make their own code and know a hell of a
>lot about operating systems.
>
>It's like gun owners.
>Some are respectable homeowners, and others
>criminals. Yet who does the media blame the guns
>on? The criminals. Thus laying the blame on
>whomever owns the guns. Yet you would try and
>argue that the real meaning of gun owners is the
>ones who are the respectable homeowners, and
>that criminals don't exist.

I never disagreed with that.
 
My final words...

Well...
Okay, your point is correct and mine is not.

I don't know how could I be so paranoid and stupid, I don't have the right knowledge to discuss things such as these.

I just want to remember you something, the first post I write, it said something like this:

>Well.. this has nothing real to do with all the
>topic but, I would like to clearify something:
>A hacker is be a person who enjoys researching
>every detail of an OS or a program, looking to
>find new ways of improve his performance, in
>opposition to the "common user" that prefers to
>learn only the minimal indispensable
>
>A hacker is a person who enojys a lot
>programming (some times even with obsession), or
>that enjoys more programming than theorizing
>about programming.
>

We can apply this to the GNU hacker definition.

>
>
>He's an expert of any discipline, not only
>computers.
>
>
Old/obsolete/primitive hackers, called people like Mozart hackers.
That's why I say that (a long time ago) a hacker was anyone who could do something good to the humanity/society.

>
>He's a person who enjoys the mental challenge
>that represent the surpass of the limits that
>have been imposed.
>
>
Isn't security/privacy a limit imposed?

>In english, they called hackers to the person
>who made furniture with an axe.
>
>
>There is another definition that belongs to the
>named "Crackers"
>
>A cracker is a person who illegaly enters to an
>informatized system to steal or destroy
>information, or simply to make chos
>

He enters with an intention, and that intention is bad. That was how old hackers used to call the bad guys of their kind.

>The crackers are the guys who deciphers the copy-
>protection schemes of commercial programs to use
>or sell illegal copies.
>

This's the most recent meaning of the word
cracker.


"Big bosses", big bosses are companies like Microsoft, Intel, or all the most important organizations around the world who manage money.

You say that Microsoft or Intel or AMD don't force you to buy his things...
Are you really sure of this?

A teacher told me that years ago there was an experiment made with people. In a movie they included propaganda about a product (we can say coca-cola and pepsi to understand this better, so, let's say that Coca-Cola was the propaganda included in the movie).
The propaganda was inflicted indirectly, I don't know how to correctly explain this, but it was like if a camera was filming a moto and behind it was a little sign with the word "Coca-Cola" in it.
So, when the movie finished two carts where situated at the exit of the cinema, one with Coca-Colas and the other with Pepsis.
Well, 90% of the people bought Coca-Cola instead of Pepsi.

That is one of lots of examples.

This is the information that comes to my head, I don't hear flowers or happiness, what can I do???

If AMD and Intel holds 1.2Ghz chips and the mankind can't use them, they are retaining techonology.
So, a new company starts getting bigger and bigger, they discovers a new techonology in 800Mhz chips that can make them ultra powerfull.
Then, obviously, AMD or Intel launches his super 50.000.000Ghz chips at half of price. And breaks that last company.

Is that freedom?


About CDA, in 1996 hackers leaded a coalition against it. That's all.


>I doubt if you even program.

Yes, I program in VB, HTML, JavaScript, VBScript, ASP, SQL and currently learning C and C as well as Delphi and CGI. I'm learning how to use Linux systems, I already know Win95/98, Windows NT 4/2k systems, Dreamweaver, FP2k, Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, Corel Draw, Visual J , InterDev, 3D Studio MAX, Autocad, Flash, Ado, ODBC. When I was 6 I hacked a Commodore 64 very known game (Mexico '86) were I was able to see all the source code.
Of course, I only told you what I know more than 75% of it, not just basics of.
Ah, I learned everything by myself. Including english (I'm not very good, you saw that). I have an IQ of 130 and a EQ of 120.
I'm 17, I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Possibly I'm an stupid ignorant, but, I have lots of friends, a girlfriend, a nice family and I'm happy. So, I think that is most important.

Adios!

Sooorry, for being such an stupid human being, but, if you never wanted to talk to a guy like me, just don't reply my stupid repetitive posts.
 
RE: You are wrong

>>Holy SHIT! Not only are you operating under
>>misconceptions, but you use bad examples that
>>aren't even correct. Mitnick broke into several
>>systems taking design plans and whatnot of
>>different companies, which they later released
>>for free, but then claimed to the Feds that it
>>was worth millions of dollars. Among MANY other
>>more severe things. Look at the whole picture
>>sometime before looking at your own paranoid
>>version of it.
>
>My paranoid version talks about one
>of "MANY other severe things".
>I'm trying to tell you
>what a hacker thinks.

No it doesn't. Curiousity is just one thing. Going into top level shit and fiddling is another.
First you were saying that a hacker is someone who just builds code, and not someone who breaks into boxes.

You are so full of contradictions I'm suprised you even know your name.


>>You talk about stupid people, I'll accept you as
>>ignorant, but look in the mirror and ask
>>yourself if you don't want to be counted as
>>stupid. Because you are quickly starting to look
>>that way.
>
>If you say...

You contradict youself so much, it's getting hard to understand what point you have ever been trying to make.

>>>A hacker builds, a cracker destroy.
>>>Simply as that.
>>>
>>And yet you show your ignorance.
>>There are different meaning to a word, not just
>>the ones that you choose to believe in out of
>>sheer stupidity.
>>
>>A hacker, by DEFINITION, is a computer buff.
>>First definition
>>
>>
>>Second definition, is a code assembler.
>>
>>Both kinds of hackers with good or ill intent
>>have to make their own code and know a hell of a
>>lot about operating systems.
>>
>>It's like gun owners.
>>Some are respectable homeowners, and others
>>criminals. Yet who does the media blame the guns
>>on? The criminals. Thus laying the blame on
>>whomever owns the guns. Yet you would try and
>>argue that the real meaning of gun owners is the
>>ones who are the respectable homeowners, and
>>that criminals don't exist.
>
>I never disagreed with that.

No, but you have been contradicting yourself all through these threads.

It's been getting to be a pain in the ass figuring exactly which personality of yours has taken over the keyboard.
 
RE: You are wrong

>No it doesn't. Curiousity is just one thing.
>Going into top level shit and fiddling is
>another.
>First you were saying that a hacker is someone
>who just builds code, and not someone who breaks
>into boxes.

A hacker can "break into a box" as a circumstance, but, what I said is that they doesn't mean harm. Of course, if Xotor is right, that's an obsolete meaning of the word hacker.

Why you don't read the post that started all this discussion?
Or, better, read my last post, at the bottom, answering to Xotor.

I'm not contradicting myself in anyway, roshambo.

About Mitnick,
I was only telling you one of other things that Mitnick did as an example of how the old hackers worked out, as, for example, breaking into a system and don't do nothing than greatly enojoy his success.

But, well, the meaning of the word changed and now a hacker is a worthless pain in the ass and they must completly dissapear.
 
Xotor....

By now you should be familiar with dealing with idiots.

Without fail, they will drag you down to their level and beat you from a lifetime's worth of experience.

Frankly, it's becoming a waste of typing to someone who keeps changing what the hell they are saying ever other post. And then can't even decide what they were saying from the start. If they can't see the difference they are doing between them, and failing to grasp that they are not staying in a congruent line of thought....that's their problem, but don't waste your time.

Just save your time for yourself, pray to whatever you hold holy that they never breed, and also hope that you can read about them someday.

In the Darwin Awards.
 
He sees the light.. no wait..

>Old/obsolete/primitive hackers, called people like Mozart
>hackers.
>That's why I say that (a
>long time ago) a hacker
>was anyone who could do
>something good to the humanity/society.

Hell I don't especially like the fact that the term "hacker" has been depricated but I accept it as fact for which it is. Words evolve and change with society.

>He enters with an intention, and
>that intention is bad. That
>was how old hackers used
>to call the bad guys
>of their kind.

A trespasser with any intention is still a trespasser.

>>The crackers are the guys who deciphers the copy-
>>protection schemes of commercial programs to use
>>or sell illegal copies.
>>
>
>This's the most recent meaning of
>the word
>cracker.

Actually it's been around a long time. Since 100% of what crackers do is considered in some form illegal, old hackers attached the "bad hacker" connotation to "cracker."

>"Big bosses", big bosses are companies
>like Microsoft, Intel, or all
>the most important organizations around
>the world who manage money.

Organizations that manage money? Then you're listing nearly every corporation on the planet. Remember, we are the CONSUMER and we have CHOICES as to what we buy. Yeah, Wintel is everywhere, however we still have choices. Now, in the age of the internet, we have nearly unlimited choices.

>You say that Microsoft or Intel
>or AMD don't force you
>to buy his things...
>Are you really sure of this?
>
>A teacher told me that years
>ago there was an experiment
>made with people. In a
>movie they included propaganda about
>a product (we can say
>coca-cola and pepsi to understand
>this better, so, let's say
>that Coca-Cola was the propaganda
>included in the movie).
>The propaganda was inflicted indirectly, I
>don't know how to correctly
>explain this, but it was
>like if a camera was
>filming a moto and behind
>it was a little sign
>with the word "Coca-Cola" in
>it.
>So, when the movie finished two
>carts where situated at the
>exit of the cinema, one
>with Coca-Colas and the other
>with Pepsis.
>Well, 90% of the people bought
>Coca-Cola instead of Pepsi.

Yeah and I saw a video on how Levi's jeans created a commericial which, though it only showed the jeans once, was meant to make the audience associate the color "blue" with Levi's jeans.

And yeah, some people claim that you can be manipulated by seeing subliminal messages in the background of shows too.

But as much as this may be true or not, you are the final decider of what you buy.

That's what I hate about a lot of Americans, the fact that they can't take the blame for themselves. "It's society's fault that I raped this woman." No, it is YOUR FAULT if you raped the woman.

When people wake up and realize that they are in control of their own lives the world will be a better place.

>That is one of lots of
>examples.
>
>This is the information that comes
>to my head, I don't
>hear flowers or happiness, what
>can I do???

Remember that everything you sense is just signals to the brain. It is up to you to act or not act on it.

>If AMD and Intel holds 1.2Ghz
>chips and the mankind can't
>use them, they are retaining
>techonology.
>So, a new company starts getting
>bigger and bigger, they discovers
>a new techonology in 800Mhz
>chips that can make them
>ultra powerfull.
>Then, obviously, AMD or Intel launches
>his super 50.000.000Ghz chips at
>half of price. And breaks
>that last company.
>
>Is that freedom?

Actually it doesn't relate to freedom in any way. Who CARES if they withold that technology, is it their OBLIGATION to release it to the public. AMD and Intel are PRIVATE COMPANIES, they aren't REQUIRED to provide humanity with their technology. You're confusing things here. You're not describing freedom. Since when was there an undeniable freedom to make companies share their technology? That's the whole point of capitalism.

>About CDA, in 1996 hackers leaded
>a coalition against it. That's
>all.

Real cute, they're taking credit for overthrowing the CDA. Do you really think that they were really a force in overturning the CDA? Hardly. It was overthrown practically on constitutional ground alone.

>
>>I doubt if you even program.
>
>Yes, I program in VB, HTML,
>JavaScript, VBScript, ASP, SQL and
>currently learning C and C
> as well as
>Delphi and CGI. I'm learning
>how to use Linux systems,
>I already know Win95/98, Windows
>NT 4/2k systems, Dreamweaver, FP2k,
>Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, Corel
>Draw, Visual J ,
>InterDev, 3D Studio MAX, Autocad,
>Flash, Ado, ODBC.

Oh c'mon, the most of those are drawing programs (didn't I say "programming?") the notable ones you're learning and the ones you do know are either basic or web-programming languages.

> When I
>was 6 I hacked a
>Commodore 64 very known game
>(Mexico '86) were I was
>able to see all the
>source code.
>Of course, I only told you
>what I know more than
>75% of it, not just
>basics of.

A Commodore 64 game. Wow. Now let me think, wait that's basic too or assembly, and that isn't really hacking, that's merely looking at code. I'd go so far as to just call it "fooling around."

>Ah, I learned everything by myself.
>Including english (I'm not very
>good, you saw that).

Better than most.

> I
>have an IQ of 130
>and a EQ of 120.

IQ/EQ tests don't show anything. As much as people like to strut around their "genius"-level IQ score they received on a illegit IQ test (as if there were any legit IQ tests anyway), they don't show squat.

What shows intelligence the ability to write/speak profoundly and to defend it also.

>I'm 17, I live in Buenos
>Aires, Argentina.
>Possibly I'm an stupid ignorant, but,
>I have lots of friends,
>a girlfriend, a nice family
>and I'm happy. So, I
>think that is most important.

I'm so happy for you but unfortunately that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

>Sooorry, for being such an stupid
>human being, but, if you
>never wanted to talk to
>a guy like me, just
>don't reply my stupid repetitive
>posts.

Oh the sarcasm! *Gasp!* It's horrible.

"There are no wrong ideas or opinions, only supported ideas and opinions."

-Xotor-

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It's just the hope that...

It's just the hope that if some ignorant soul stumbles into this little abode they aren't misguided by those who don't know more than they do but claim they do.

Stop the idiocy!

-Xotor-

>By now you should be familiar
>with dealing with idiots.
>
>Without fail, they will drag you
>down to their level and
>beat you from a lifetime's
>worth of experience.
>
>Frankly, it's becoming a waste of
>typing to someone who keeps
>changing what the hell they
>are saying ever other post.
> And then can't even
>decide what they were saying
>from the start. If
>they can't see the difference
>they are doing between them,
>and failing to grasp that
>they are not staying in
>a congruent line of thought....that's
>their problem, but don't waste
>your time.
>
>Just save your time for yourself,
>pray to whatever you hold
>holy that they never breed,
>and also hope that you
>can read about them someday.
>
>
>In the Darwin Awards.


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RE: He sees the light.. no wait..

>>He enters with an intention, and
>>that intention is bad. That
>>was how old hackers used
>>to call the bad guys
>>of their kind.
>
>A trespasser with any intention is still a
>trespasser.
>

Of course, but if a good hacker can trespass the security systems of an american central atomic and just leave a message saying, "Hey guys! I could be a moron who could blow all the things up! Cya!". The trespass surely was worth. And, if you have luck, you could be contracted by the company as a security engineer!

>Organizations that manage money? Then you're
>listing nearly every corporation on the planet.
>Remember, we are the CONSUMER and we have
>CHOICES as to what we buy. Yeah, Wintel is
>everywhere, however we still have choices. Now,
>in the age of the internet, we have nearly
>unlimited choices.

Really important organization that manage money ;-). The choices aren't unlimited, when I say "I'm gonna buy a new computer processor" what we first think (and the final choice surely is) is about Intel, AMD or Cyrix. Three are the choices, do you think that anybody is gonna start looking for another company? Naah...
Of course life is not only computers. But a very used marketing strategy is to own companies that could be competiting. Like, the owner of Coca-Cola and Pepsi is one guy. That isn't fair competition, it's even competition! So, the progress is maintained only by important companies, and you aren't gonna know if something could be better.
But okay, that's not what happens everywhere, it's just a common marketing strategy.

About Intel and his 1.2Ghz, the lack of freedom can be seen on the competition and the number of choices the consumer has. Do you think that if you have the best researchers you're gonna be able to defeat Microsoft or Intel? No.. One of the many reasons could be because they hide more powerfull technology that you will ever dream off!

Of course, there're examples that would make you cry, like Netscape Communicator, Lotus 1-2-3, OS/2, PowerBasic, etc.
They used to be a lot more better than what Microsoft did, but... Strangely the performance started to decrease and decrease...
You can't tell me that Communicator is equal than Explorer...
And now, with the creation of ASP (and other techonologies), Windows NT servers are getting used more and more, and the Apache is dying slowly.

>Oh c'mon, the most of those are drawing programs
>(didn't I say "programming?") the notable ones
>you're learning and the ones you do know are
>either basic or web-programming languages.
>
Well, 14 of the are programming languages, and the others are just programs. Well, I just wanted to show you that I have some knowledge in the area! Don't get angry!
SQL, InterDev and J , ADO, and ODBC aren't basic.

>A Commodore 64 game. Wow. Now let me think, wait
>that's basic too or assembly, and that isn't
>really hacking, that's merely looking at code.
>I'd go so far as to just call it "fooling
>around."
>
The language has nothing to do... I discovered that the game was shipped in-memory on all the Commodore 64 C computers and being sold at the same time (don't ask me why).
What is a "hacking" is what someone has to do to see the source code of a program.
And remember I was 6, man!

>IQ/EQ tests don't show anything. As much as
>people like to strut around their "genius"-level
>IQ score they received on a illegit IQ test (as
>if there were any legit IQ tests anyway), they
>don't show squat.
>
>What shows intelligence the ability to
>write/speak profoundly and to defend it also.
>
I agree with you, but, in intelligence, don't forget the ability to think and resolve technical or emotional problems.
Inteligence is knowing and agreeing your errors and have the ability to change them for better of you and the society.


>Oh the sarcasm! *Gasp!* It's horrible.
>
The main idea is that if you see that a guy is being stupid, don't waste your time answering to him.

Bya
 
RE: My final words...

>Well...
>Okay, your point is correct and
>mine is not.
>
>I don't know how could I
>be so paranoid and stupid,
>I don't have the right
>knowledge to discuss things such
>as these.

Beware of opening thy mouth, lest someone aid you in inserting your foot. The foot you are already gnawing on.

>>A cracker is a person who illegaly enters to an
>>informatized system to steal or destroy
>>information, or simply to make chos
>>
>
>He enters with an intention, and
>that intention is bad. That
>was how old hackers used
>to call the bad guys
>of their kind.
>

Hold on. Here's where your contradiction lies. You say at first that /crackers/ are the ones that break into security, and hackers are the ones that assemble code, the old ones. Then you say that hackers are the ones that hack into servers, and real hackers are like Kevin Mitnick? You said that those who break into servers are crackers, and yet you proclaim Mitnick to be a hacker? Alzheimer's must be a real bitch, huh? Either that, or could you please tell me which personality of yours I am talking to now. You've contradicted yourself in the same thread about 7 times, and then a few more times in the same POST!



>"Big bosses", big bosses are companies
>like Microsoft, Intel, or all
>the most important organizations around
>the world who manage money.
>
>
>You say that Microsoft or Intel
>or AMD don't force you
>to buy his things...
>Are you really sure of this?
>
>
>A teacher told me that years
>ago there was an experiment
>made with people. In a
>movie they included propaganda about
>a product (we can say
>coca-cola and pepsi to understand
>this better, so, let's say
>that Coca-Cola was the propaganda
>included in the movie).
>The propaganda was inflicted indirectly, I
>don't know how to correctly
>explain this, but it was
>like if a camera was
>filming a moto and behind
>it was a little sign
>with the word "Coca-Cola" in
>it.
>So, when the movie finished two
>carts where situated at the
>exit of the cinema, one
>with Coca-Colas and the other
>with Pepsis.
>Well, 90% of the people bought
>Coca-Cola instead of Pepsi.
>
>That is one of lots of
>examples.
>
>This is the information that comes
>to my head, I don't
>hear flowers or happiness, what
>can I do???
>
>If AMD and Intel holds 1.2Ghz
>chips and the mankind can't
>use them, they are retaining
>techonology.
>So, a new company starts getting
>bigger and bigger, they discovers
>a new techonology in 800Mhz
>chips that can make them
>ultra powerfull.
>Then, obviously, AMD or Intel launches
>his super 50.000.000Ghz chips at
>half of price. And breaks
>that last company.
>
>Is that freedom?
>

Your apparent naiveitee is almost criminal. AMD and Intel are holding the stuff back for TESTING purposes right now. In fact, 1GHz processors have already been released. Oh, hold on.... I have worked on computers that have been able to do 1 Terraflop of computations a SECOND. And yet that isn't available to the common consumer. Why not? That's how businesses work. AMD and Intel choose on their own for private home computers....WHOA!!
That's another thing. Playing your little putz-ass games doesn't mean that they are "retaining technology". They are making it cheaper for the everyday consumer in gradual amounts. I could go out and buy a 5.99GHz processor system with about 1.5-2GB of RAM, and a specialist video card. Wouldn't it be pretty fucking sad to pay $25,000 just to play Unreal or Quake III, wouldn't it? Not to mention the system would nearly take up thrice the space of your average full-tower system. Plus, AMD and Intel are gradually making the chips cheaply in comparasin, and gradually more stable. Gradually, but in the best way.

Lesson today, kiddies, learn something about what you speak of before you try to look smart and fail horribly.

>
>About CDA, in 1996 hackers leaded
>a coalition against it. That's
>all.

Big fucking deal. So did the ALCU, but you won't see me shed a tear on THEIR behalf. So did most of America fight against it, save for the Christian Coalition who like to be the fanatics they are.

Moot point.

>>I doubt if you even program.
>
>Yes, I program in

>VB,

Wow...I'm speechless.... (sarcasm alert for those who couldn't guess)

>HTML,

*snort*
Big fucking deal. So can a trained monkey.

>JavaScript,

I can program in that too....wow, look mom...no hands!

>VBScript,

*yawn*

>ASP, SQL

*yawn and yawn*
Anyone who bothers spending time to learn stuff on the oxymoron of computer security almost begs to have theirself hacked apart. Windows Security is the biggest joke in the server hacker world. Unix/Apache is hard as hell, and you RARELY see any of those on Attrition.

>and
>currently learning C and C
> as well as
>Delphi and CGI.

*snore*

I'm learning
>how to use Linux systems,

*golf clap*

>I already know Win95/98, Windows
>NT 4/2k systems,

*deep snore*

>Dreamweaver,

Use notepad. Build some skills. Dreamweaver is for those who can't program, and really don't bother on learning how.

>FP2k,

You have GOT to be shittin' me....

>Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, Corel
>Draw,

Graphics production. Who the hell cares? Is that programming? No.

>Visual J ,
>InterDev, 3D Studio MAX, Autocad,
>Flash, Ado, ODBC. When I

*rip-van-winkle-type snoring*
How about telling me you know how to use an FTP client too?

>was 6 I hacked a
>Commodore 64 very known game
>(Mexico '86) were I was
>able to see all the
>source code.

Ooh, and I hacked some other games too. Kind of funny when they are in assembly or Line-BASIC. The LIST function must have been a real brain-tickler to figure out....

>Of course, I only told you
>what I know more than
>75% of it, not just
>basics of.

Awww, how cute.

Ok, want me to tell you what I have experience programming in? Actual real programming?

Fortran A/B
C
Line-BASIC
Assembly
Machine-Code
Machine-Controller Routine Code (MCRC)
Digital Chip-Logic Systems
Perl (I have even made my own user-side applications, including an FTP client, an internet browser that I am currently using that has an individual <TAG> slect function (don't like <BLINK>? Then get rid of it) - I'm currently programming it for HTML 4.0 capability and it works on ANY MACHINE that has Perl loaded. Unix, Linux, any Unix child, WIndows with ActivePerl. Not even Microsuck can do that. I also have made many other applications, including a few Rogue-type games.)
Java (Not Javascript - real Java, but I also know JavaScript.)
JavaPerl::Mod (My own 12-Module addition to the Perl programming language. Used to combine the server production ability of Perl, with the client-side effects of Java. Soon to be released at CPAN in a few months.)
SVRML Unique Scripting routines. 400 lines of code to move blocks around. Whee.
HTML (In notepad, from HTML 1.0 days.)
DHTML (I have written 300+ line processes that emulate some of the funtions of crapplets and other code products. In about 1% of the space and load times.)

I will refrain from listing all the ActiveX controls and other BS stuff I have done. But as far as real languages, I have likely forgotten more about them than you already know.

And listing all of the programs I can use would be completely pointless. I would be listing well over 200 applications that I have used over my lifetime and know almost intimitely how they work. Most I know how to reverse-engineer and modify to my liking. Right now I am running on a Windows sytems with a rather unique Kernel-handling. That was taken from a Windows emulator for Unix and Unix-child systems, and patched into Windows itself. Took me a good 3 hours modifying the modification for use on my computer. You can't just plug it in, because you have to know the code.

>Ah, I learned everything by myself.
>Including english (I'm not very
>good, you saw that). I
>have an IQ of 130
>and a EQ of 120.

Wow. Big fucking deal. I never went to school for anything I know about computer software. I could quote Val Kilmer's lines from the movie Real Genius. The teachers hated me because I was smarter and knew more than them, the students hated me because I blew the bell curve. What I went through in the Military and Government was for hardware (yes, I know how to troubleshoot hardware too). INC+ on a few tests, and estimated to be over 180 IQ. INC+ means inconclusively out of the optimal testing spectrum. In other words, they hate to say you aced the test or came close. If I wanted to, I could resume Einstein's work, but I have the same morals of the man. There are many things mankind in general does not have the wisdom nor maturity to be allowed to know.

And to top it all off, I'm 6'4" and fairly athletic because I have trained and partied with Marines. Best of both worlds, smart and strong. Gotta love it.

>I'm 17, I live in Buenos
>Aires, Argentina.
>Possibly I'm an stupid ignorant, but,
>I have lots of friends,
>a girlfriend, a nice family
>and I'm happy. So, I
>think that is most important.

Ignorance is bliss.
Good to see you are happy.

>Adios!

n'Aderach a 'Tuir

>Sooorry, for being such an stupid
>human being, but, if you
>never wanted to talk to
>a guy like me, just
>don't reply my stupid repetitive
>posts.

Then don't keep proving to be lower on the intellectual food-chain. You post on a message board, you get a response if people feel like it. It's how it works.
 
I cen't quite do-it captin!

The reactor es owffline. Bla bla bla.

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Is there no end to this stupidity?

>>>He enters with an intention, and
>>>that intention is bad. That
>>>was how old hackers used
>>>to call the bad guys
>>>of their kind.
>>
>>A trespasser with any intention is still a
>>trespasser.
>>
>
>Of course, but if a good
>hacker can trespass the security
>systems of an american central
>atomic and just leave a
>message saying, "Hey guys! I
>could be a moron who
>could blow all the things
>up! Cya!". The trespass surely
>was worth. And, if you
>have luck, you could be
>contracted by the company as
>a security engineer!

Contacted as a security engineer? Are you kidding? You'd be considered a menace to society and jailed for the potential risk of endangering millions of lives.

Do you actually expect companies to hire you on for breaking into their systems? Do you think they would want someone like that to have even more access to their data? There are far more security experts who HAVEN'T broken into their system that would suffice.

And wait, this kid/hacker could just be some lamer using someone else's program at his dad's work. Brute force does work and if this little immature brat has access to enough systems he can bust any wall down.

How do you think Yahoo was brought down? It wasn't a sophisticated hacker, it was a bunch of kids sending packets to Yahoo at the exact same time. No skill.

Do you expect Yahoo to hire them on as a "security expert"?

>>Organizations that manage money? Then you're
>>listing nearly every corporation on the planet.
>>Remember, we are the CONSUMER and we have
>>CHOICES as to what we buy. Yeah, Wintel is
>>everywhere, however we still have choices. Now,
>>in the age of the internet, we have nearly
>>unlimited choices.
>
>Really important organization that manage money
>;-). The choices aren't unlimited,
>when I say "I'm gonna
>buy a new computer processor"
>what we first think (and
>the final choice surely is)
>is about Intel, AMD or
>Cyrix. Three are the choices,
>do you think that anybody
>is gonna start looking for
>another company? Naah...
>Of course life is not only
>computers. But a very used
>marketing strategy is to own
>companies that could be competiting.
>Like, the owner of Coca-Cola
>and Pepsi is one guy.
>That isn't fair competition, it's
>even competition! So, the progress
>is maintained only by important
>companies, and you aren't gonna
>know if something could be
>better.
>But okay, that's not what happens
>everywhere, it's just a common
>marketing strategy.

Let me ask you something: Who ELSE makes computer processor chips?

Yeah, Intel/AMD/Cyrix, whoever could be considered a "big boss" IF they were shutting all other guys out of the competition, but they're not. There IS no competition.

There are about three choices because they're the only companies manufacturing the product. Ever consider that? Sheesh.

>About Intel and his 1.2Ghz, the
>lack of freedom can be
>seen on the competition and
>the number of choices the
>consumer has. Do you think
>that if you have the
>best researchers you're gonna be
>able to defeat Microsoft or
>Intel? No.. One of the
>many reasons could be because
>they hide more powerfull technology
>that you will ever dream
>off!

Of course I'd expect to make it big if I had a lot of researchers to make a good chip. My chip would be better and people would buy it!

And what exactly makes you think that companies are obligated to share their "powerful technology." That's the whole POINT of competition: to have an edge over someone else.

That's what the whole system of CAPITALISM is all about.

>Of course, there're examples that would
>make you cry, like Netscape
>Communicator, Lotus 1-2-3, OS/2, PowerBasic,
>etc.
>They used to be a lot
>more better than what Microsoft
>did, but... Strangely the performance
>started to decrease and decrease...

Yeah, because their products don't perform! Ever consider that?

I used to hate IE, but now I use it simply for the fact that it runs BETTER on my system. I don't care if Microsoft made it, I don't care if my most hated enemy made it, the fact remains: IE runs better than Communicator.

Should companies be penalized for creating superior products?

Nobody would care if Microsoft were a monopoly if it became one only on the grounds that everyone finds their products better. The masses have chosen.

Do you actually think that Microsoft engineered WIndows to reject Communicator? Get real. Hell they can't even get Windows to not crash, do you actually expect them to be able to figure out how to make Netscape run badly?

>You can't tell me that Communicator
>is equal than Explorer...

No I can't. It sucks compared to Explorer. Is that the fault of Microsoft? Nope. Microsoft just made a better browser and Netscape can't match or beat it.

Why do you hate superior products?

>And now, with the creation of
>ASP (and other techonologies), Windows
>NT servers are getting used
>more and more, and the
>Apache is dying slowly.

This just SHOWS your ignorance/stupidity. WindowsNT is the LAUGHING STOCK OF THE ENTIRE INTERNET. Only IDIOTS use WinNT. Apache still holds about a 95% share of internet servers. Apache is HARDLY dying.

The only reason WinNT would be gaining would be because a whole lot of people are setting up NEW WinNT servers.

Nobody moves from Apache to WinNT. Nobody.

>>Oh c'mon, the most of those are drawing programs
>>(didn't I say "programming?") the notable ones
>>you're learning and the ones you do know are
>>either basic or web-programming languages.
>>
>Well, 14 of the are programming
>languages, and the others are
>just programs. Well, I just
>wanted to show you that
>I have some knowledge in
>the area! Don't get angry!

HTML? VB? Javascript? Am I supposed to be impressed or even interested?

I suppose you're counting meanial knowledge of Actionscript in Flash to be a "programming language" too?

>SQL, InterDev and J ,
>ADO, and ODBC aren't basic.

Come on, they make the creation of a program as easy as a page in Dreamweaver.

>>A Commodore 64 game. Wow. Now let me think, wait
>>that's basic too or assembly, and that isn't
>>really hacking, that's merely looking at code.
>>I'd go so far as to just call it "fooling
>>around."
>>
>The language has nothing to do...
>I discovered that the game
>was shipped in-memory on all
>the Commodore 64 C computers
>and being sold at the
>same time (don't ask me
>why).

You just "figured out" that? *Yawn* Is that supposed to be noteworthy? Oh gee, I figured out that one of my games used Zip files to store the graphics, is that impressive? No.

>What is a "hacking" is what
>someone has to do to
>see the source code of
>a program.
>And remember I was 6, man!

That's not hacking, that's called pressing Ctrl-Break.

Gee, I figured out how to plot color patterns with a turtle computer plotting system at age six. Does that show anything? No it doesn't.

>>IQ/EQ tests don't show anything. As much as
>>people like to strut around their "genius"-level
>>IQ score they received on a illegit IQ test (as
>>if there were any legit IQ tests anyway), they
>>don't show squat.
>>
>>What shows intelligence the ability to
>>write/speak profoundly and to defend it also.
>>
>I agree with you, but, in
>intelligence, don't forget the ability
>to think and resolve technical
>or emotional problems.
>Inteligence is knowing and agreeing your
>errors and have the ability
>to change them for better
>of you and the society.

That's not intelligence. You don't have to benefit society to be intelligent. Cute definition, but not a correct one.

>>Oh the sarcasm! *Gasp!* It's horrible.
>>
>The main idea is that if
>you see that a guy
>is being stupid, don't waste
>your time answering to him.

Assuming you're naming yourself the "stupid." I'm not arguing for your benefit. I'm trying to retain the quality of this board so when a newcomer arrives he doesn't think this place has been infested with clueless people.

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RE: He sees the light.. no wait..

>>>He enters with an intention, and
>>>that intention is bad. That
>>>was how old hackers used
>>>to call the bad guys
>>>of their kind.
>>
>>A trespasser with any intention is still a
>>trespasser.
>>
>
>Of course, but if a good
>hacker can trespass the security
>systems of an american central
>atomic and just leave a
>message saying, "Hey guys! I
>could be a moron who
>could blow all the things
>up! Cya!". The trespass surely
>was worth. And, if you
>have luck, you could be
>contracted by the company as
>a security engineer!

Not really....

How about your "hero" Mitnick?
Accessing shit that has the potential to start a war. Do I REALLY want him fucking around with stuff? Not really.

>>Organizations that manage money? Then you're
>>listing nearly every corporation on the planet.
>>Remember, we are the CONSUMER and we have
>>CHOICES as to what we buy. Yeah, Wintel is
>>everywhere, however we still have choices. Now,
>>in the age of the internet, we have nearly
>>unlimited choices.
>
>Really important organization that manage money
>;-). The choices aren't unlimited,
>when I say "I'm gonna
>buy a new computer processor"
>what we first think (and
>the final choice surely is)
>is about Intel, AMD or
>Cyrix. Three are the choices,
>do you think that anybody
>is gonna start looking for
>another company? Naah...
>Of course life is not only
>computers. But a very used
>marketing strategy is to own
>companies that could be competiting.
>Like, the owner of Coca-Cola
>and Pepsi is one guy.
>That isn't fair competition, it's
>even competition! So, the progress
>is maintained only by important
>companies, and you aren't gonna
>know if something could be
>better.
>But okay, that's not what happens
>everywhere, it's just a common
>marketing strategy.

>About Intel and his 1.2Ghz, the
>lack of freedom can be
>seen on the competition and
>the number of choices the
>consumer has. Do you think
>that if you have the
>best researchers you're gonna be
>able to defeat Microsoft or
>Intel? No.. One of the
>many reasons could be because
>they hide more powerfull technology
>that you will ever dream
>off!

So they are supposed to hand their technology off so others can make profit off of it? What the fuck are you smoking? Let me guess, you live in a Communism or a total Socialism? All those companies are in Capitalism. Better advances through the power of greed. Plus see my other post for more on this subject.

>Of course, there're examples that would
>make you cry, like Netscape
>Communicator, Lotus 1-2-3, OS/2, PowerBasic,
>etc.
>They used to be a lot
>more better than what Microsoft
>did, but... Strangely the performance
>started to decrease and decrease...
>
>You can't tell me that Communicator
>is equal than Explorer...
>And now, with the creation of
>ASP (and other techonologies), Windows
>NT servers are getting used
>more and more, and the
>Apache is dying slowly.

BULLSHIT! I don't know what Candyland world you are living in, but you need to wake up before you kill yourself. NT is for STUPID MORONS WHO CANNOT PROGRAM. YOu don't need to know ANYTHING to set up a Windows NT server. And guess who is hacked more than anyone else? NT servers. Apache on a FreeBSD system would blow NT or 2k out of the water any day of the week. Guess what Yahoo, Geocities and other big internet companies use? Apache on a FreeBSD system. Wndows Security is a complete oxymoron. And only a moron would believe that it exists. ASP might be able to compete with what Perl and PHP3 can do...in a few more years.

If anyone told me that they could give me hosting on an NT server, I would laugh in their face.

To explain my point, all I would have to do is get FTP to ANY part of an NT server and I have the entire machine under my control. And I know I'm not even a good server hacker. Kind of sad, no?

>>Oh c'mon, the most of those are drawing programs
>>(didn't I say "programming?") the notable ones
>>you're learning and the ones you do know are
>>either basic or web-programming languages.
>>
>Well, 14 of the are programming
>languages, and the others are
>just programs. Well, I just
>wanted to show you that
>I have some knowledge in
>the area! Don't get angry!

Some of those barely qualify as "languages". More along "protocols and handling processes".
Try learning REAL languages.

>SQL, InterDev and J ,
>ADO, and ODBC aren't basic.

*snickersnickersnicker*

Oh, my god....that is so pathetic....

>>A Commodore 64 game. Wow. Now let me think, wait
>>that's basic too or assembly, and that isn't
>>really hacking, that's merely looking at code.
>>I'd go so far as to just call it "fooling
>>around."
>>
>The language has nothing to do...
>I discovered that the game
>was shipped in-memory on all
>the Commodore 64 C computers
>and being sold at the
>same time (don't ask me
>why).
>What is a "hacking" is what
>someone has to do to
>see the source code of
>a program.
>And remember I was 6, man!

Yes, and when I was 6 I WROTE programs. When I was older, I wrote one of the first editor programs for Wasteland. Kind of hard, since the game is a PERSISTANT game. Meaning that the game program itself changes as you play. And that was on a Commodore 64 as well. My second computer.

I wrote text games and even basic graphical ones.
You are not impressing anyone. And I don't care if I impress you or not, because your points are in the realm of irrelevency.

>>IQ/EQ tests don't show anything. As much as
>>people like to strut around their "genius"-level
>>IQ score they received on a illegit IQ test (as
>>if there were any legit IQ tests anyway), they
>>don't show squat.
>>
>>What shows intelligence the ability to
>>write/speak profoundly and to defend it also.
>>
>I agree with you, but, in
>intelligence, don't forget the ability
>to think and resolve technical
>or emotional problems.
>Inteligence is knowing and agreeing your
>errors and have the ability
>to change them for better
>of you and the society.

Please do remedy your situation.

>>Oh the sarcasm! *Gasp!* It's horrible.
>>
>The main idea is that if
>you see that a guy
>is being stupid, don't waste
>your time answering to him.

Actually, if a guy is being stupid, you waste everyone's time here.
 
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