Am I misremembering the BoS from 1+2?

[lujo]

Naossano, I totaly agree with what you said entirely. I know you weren't speaking about FO1 and 2 but those sentences apply to them too, incredibly so.

I guess I was just venting steam because I'm playing too much Fallout 2 these days gathering data for some modding I plan to do (not to the extent that I've writtent there). Sorry if I was repeating myself.

I guess it's that most modders concern themselves with numbers, while I see the problems in that game being more of the story/game progression variety. Might be because most modders are probably coders in real life and I'm a writer... Am curious about that, but this is the wrong part of the forums...

EDIT: But yeah, as long as Fallout stays out of epic stories and keeps more to personal stories there's no place for BoS in there except as either supervillans (which would then make them the enclave) or a really weird bunch of minor guys. The original devs seemed to understand this. Since most of Fallout 1 is consists of a rather personal story, most of Fallout 2 is hilarious bullshit and silly stuff thrown in with the epic parts totally tacked on to give it a semblance of coherrence, and the purely combat oriented output never really being too popular, I'd say pushing fallout into pure epic teritory is rather... missing the point. Which is why Fallout 3 ultimately sucks for me (Still has a more coherent vision than 2, except the vision is... meh). Vegas, on the other hand - if someone redid that (with all the DLC's) in Shadowrun engine (simply as an update to the UI and combat options/cover/manuvers), you'd have a proper Fallout sequel. You'd in fact have Fallout 2, except serious. Could also probably do without the BoS or the Enclave, all fallout sequels were overdosed with self referencing.

 

[Atomic Postman]

Hi everyone, just joined. I was just replaying New Vegas recently, and I was reminded of a question that's been on my mind.

Granted, it's been a LONG time since I played 1, but I don't remember the Brotherhood of Steel being as douchey as they're portrayed in 3 and NV. If I remember right, their mission was to preserve technology, not hoard it like the subjects of an AETV show. They were suspicious of outsiders, but not to the point where they thought it was their holy duty to keep machines out of the hands of lesser people. They traded weapons for food, responded to the super mutant threat, and Vree's autopsy showed they were an organization with the capability to produce knowledge as well as holding it. They didn't object to your character carrying an energy weapon.

So where does this idea that the Brotherhood is a band of greedy, xenophobic tech raiders come from? Was there some hint to this in the first two games that I missed?

They are slightly more secluded and harsh in New Vegas, but they have always been assholes who don't want to share and have little interest in helping the local people (The only reason they wanted to stop the Enclave was to stop them from rivaling their Brotherhood.).

If you remember, when you try to join them in Fo1 you are sent to a pit of Radiation where you can die very quickly if unprepared, which if you had no prior knowledge of the Glow, you would be.

The guards are visibly surprised to see you back, so it's implied they just send "recruits" to go die from Radiation sickness.

 

[RetroAmerica]

I think the interesting irony is, is that the Brotherhood of Steel has evolved more into the "Steel Plague" (one of the possible endings mentioned in Fallout 1), which is far more militaristic and aggressive, than the traditional BOS.

However it should be noted that the BOS was never a friendly or savior organization(one of those changes which Bethesda's FO3 makes). The BOS is by all means a rather xenophobic and closed organization, which though wished to move the California Wasteland forward, was by no means going to simply become a church/charity and lift up the downtrodden of the wastes.

Also, the war between the BOS(depending on if you use the FO3(Van Buren) timeline) and the NCR no doubt changed the organization even more, and if I remember correctly there was some mention that some members of the US Government joined the BOS following the destruction of the Oil Rig.