Arcanum is Fallout 3 I have proof!

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For those of you out there who don’t believe that "Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura" is the rightful heir to the Fallout series. Check this out; it is a journal from an editor of gamesmania.com about his journey through an advanced demo of "Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura." This IS Fallout 3 people. In all respects, it is the true sequel! I believe!

 
So

in Arcanum you live in post-nuclear world? No? Well then it's not a sequel. A 'heir', yes, but not a sequel.




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Granted the post apocalyptic shit was cool but I care more about the gameplay and the freedom of action, frankly I've pulled better storylines out my ass than what was in Fallout1/2. It was like a "B-movie" turned RPG, i.e. "Mad Max." Arcanum's storyline will be superior and it's gameplay, freedom of action and freedom of character development will be like aged wine. Like I said check out the link.
 
RE: Listen

Fallout without post-ap is like power armor witout helmet.
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"Soldier of Fortune is Doom 3 I have proof!"

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-01 AT 02:34AM (GMT)[p]"For those of you out there who don’t believe that "Soldier of Fortune" is the rightful heir to the Doom series. Check this out; it is a journal from an editor of gamesmania.com about his journey through an advanced demo of "Soldier of Fortune." This IS Doom 3 people. In all respects, it is the true sequel! I believe!"

Title reflects the storyline and/or the world. Gameplay doesn't reflect it. You are saying it's a sequel in all respects, but you forgot the main one - the world where action takes place. Without it, there can be no SEQUEL. You know what SEQUEL means, do you?

P.S - Fallout 1 is SUPPOSED to be like a "B-movie". It makes it 'gritty'.




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gritty my ass

Look up the word "Sequel."
One of the entries should read similar to a "Result or consequence."

Listen to this scenario if you will, let's say that a majority of a team of programmers who given the chance to create a continuation of a series would have, but were given an ultimatum along the lines of "Work on this 'Fallout: Bullshit Of a Sequel' game or get out," choose to leave, all join the same group, "Troika" with a different company(coincidense, huh) and create a game exactly like the Fallout 3 they would have made but with a different plot and storyline(I know it's a run-on sentence.) Could you possibly fathom in that little skull of yours that this was a "Result or consequence" of Fallout?

If Fallout 3 is released as an online FPS, would you consider it a sequel true to the series? Well it's looking like it may turn out that way. So get strapped and ready!

What do you mean "gritty?" If you mean something which creates a feeling of forlornment or unease, I would have to say that you are wrong. The [font size=3]environment made it "gritty." I have never ever seen a single "B-Movie" that was inately "gritty." It all has to do with the place, time and characters that your protaganist has to interact with. If you would read the DAMNED link you would come to understand that Arcanum is "gritty"(the whole creating a feeling of forlornment and unease thing again, kiddies) as well.

P.S. I hope you find time to read the damn journal, it really is quite informative.

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RE: gritty my ass

1.<sigh>Here's definition I found at www.webster.com It indeed has "consequence, result" in it, but look at def.#2, which you obviously ignored.

Main Entry: se·quel
Pronunciation: 'sE-kw&l also -"kwel
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French sequelle, from Latin
sequela, from sequi to follow -- more at SUE
Date: 15th century
1 : CONSEQUENCE, RESULT
2 a : subsequent development b : the next installment (as of a speech or story); especially : a literary or cinematic work continuing the course of a story begun in a preceding one.

Does THAT persuade you?

Of course, there's a peculiar problem whether to call Fallout a sequel to Wasteland. Yes, there is Tycho, ranger from Nevada, yes, a lot of references to Wasteland, but IMO it BARELY qualifies as even 'unofficial' sequel. There was no Citadel station in Fallout, and America's biggest enemy was China, not USSR.

2.If F3 will take off where F2 ended - yes, it will be a sequel, unless it will have nothing to do in terms of story with F2. If it will take off where F1 ended or if it will end where F1 began - it will be a prequel.

3.I didn't say Arcanum was bad, good, gritty or whatever, only that it's not a sequel to Fallout.

In conclusion:
Let's not call each other skulls' names, all right? Your problem is that you have the wrong definition of 'sequel', my problem is that you are not listening to my arguements on why you have the wrong definition. I like what I hear about Arcanum, and I have a big hope in it, but I DON'T consider it a Fallout sequel. Moreover, do you know what Boyarsky said when I asked him for artwork from Fallout? 'Sorry, it belongs to Interplay'. Why? "All rights reserved". Troika don't have the RIGHT to make a sequel, just like Interplay don't have the right to make a sequel to Wasteland.




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Okay... I've read some stuff about this Arcanum game. I was just curious.... Elves??? Identify Spells??? I mean Jesus! You're trying to say that a game, set in a different time, with different characters and different weapons (enchanted swords???) is a SEQUEL to Fallout? Even going so far as to say it's Fallout 3??? I mean come on! How is it even similar? You emerge from your vault after 80 years underground and the world is populated by elves with Elven Hunter's Bows??? WTF?? How did that happen? Some kind of weird chemical experiment? I mean, that's kind of like making a sequel to the Indiana Jones Movies. But with no Indiana Jones, no holy religious relics and set in space. Now, either I've got the wrong link and I'm looking at the wrong review... Or you've been injecting WAY TOO MUCH.
 
With him and Tchernobubble, I'm starting to think there's FAR too much nose-candy being enjoyed here....


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Method Man.... how old are you.

Did you actually listen to any of the counter arguments made before you started insulting everybody????

I agree with roshambo that maybe you should ease up on the meth and the noDoze and maybe get some sleep. That MIGHT cure your overreactive personality.

Nobody here is saying that Arcanum will be any less than a great game. I have checked it out myself. Most here are probably awaiting it anxiously. But it is not a SEQUEL.

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RE: gritty my ass

Those are two different definitions:

1. a sequel can be something that happens as a result of, i.e.

Quake is a sequel to Doom.
Gunmen and Halflife are sequels to Quake 2.
Fallout is a sequel to Wasteland.
Chrono Trigger is a sequel to FF6.

2. subsequent development..., i.e.

FF9 is a sequel to FF8.
Quake 3 is a sequel to Quake 2.
Fallout 2 is a sequel to Fallout.
Baldur's Gate 2 is a sequel to Baldur's Gate.

NOTE: DON'T COMMENT ON THESE GAMES I DON'T CARE.

It is either, or. Learn how to use a damn dictionary!

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It is being made by a majority of the original Fallout team.
It(Arcanum) would not be if it weren't for Fallout.
Therefore it IS very much a "Result or consequence" of Fallout.

Sequel-1. Consequence or result...

And by definition it IS a sequel to Fallout.

Not THE sequel but a sequel none the less
 
Enough with trying to reason, on with the flaming

>1. a sequel can be something
>that happens as a result
>of, i.e.
>
>Quake is a sequel to Doom.
>
>Gunmen and Halflife are sequels to
>Quake 2.
>Fallout is a sequel to Wasteland.
>
>Chrono Trigger is a sequel to
>FF6.

Congratulations! You have just invented a new usage for the word 'sequel' that NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY used before you! You must be so proud...

>2. subsequent development..., i.e.
>
>FF9 is a sequel to FF8.
>
>Quake 3 is a sequel to
>Quake 2.
>Fallout 2 is a sequel to
>Fallout.
>Baldur's Gate 2 is a sequel
>to Baldur's Gate.
>
>NOTE: DON'T COMMENT ON THESE GAMES
>I DON'T CARE.
>
>It is either, or. Learn how
>to use a damn dictionary!

Oh, I'm sure you are enjoying your newfound ability to look up things in dictionaries and use rare and suspicious meanings for the words. Exactly just how many people will have to comment on your usage of 'sequel' to make you realize you are continuing making an idiot of yourself?!

And in conclusion, as Gonzo13 mentioned, you are not reading the arguments, or reading only 'selected' parts.




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With that logic you could say that Arcanum is a sequel to the itch in the pants of the fathers of the programers working on that project. Or maybe the big bang??? Or some other such nonsense.

This web site is a result of the first FO ... but nobody in their right mind would call it a sequel.


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Excellent logic.




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GET A CLUE

>Those are two different definitions:
>
>1. a sequel can be something
>that happens as a result
>of, i.e.
>
>Quake is a sequel to Doom.

Quake is not a sequel to DOOM, DOOM 2 is a sequel to DOOM, DOOM 3 that idSoftware is making is a sequel to DOOM.

Quake II is a sequel to Quake, not a sequel to DOOM.

By your logic is Duke Nukem 3D a sequel to DOOM? How about Unreal Tournament? They sure don't look like DOOM to me. No wait, they AREN'T.

>Gunmen and Halflife are sequels to
>Quake 2.

You are utterly clueless. Halflife may use the Quake II ENGINE, but that doesn't make it a sequel to Quake II.

You seem to have the notion that everything within a genre is a sequel to the first of its genre. IT ISN'T.

>Fallout is a sequel to Wasteland.

No it isn't. Wasteland is an entirely different game. It may have the same themes, but they are not sequels. If Fallout were Wasteland's sequel Interplay would be SUED for copyright infringement.

>Chrono Trigger is a sequel to
>FF6.

Chrono Trigger came out BEFORE FF6. They are ENTIRELY unrelated. They don't even use the same ENGINE. They are both SNES RPGs and that's the ONLY thing that relates them together.

Let me guess, is Sonic the Hedgehog a sequel to Super Mario Bros? Sheesh.

>FF9 is a sequel to FF8.

Yeah, because they are part of the FINAL FANTASY SERIES. By being part of a *SERIES* they are sequels, not because they are part of the same GENRE.

>Quake 3 is a sequel to
>Quake 2.
>Fallout 2 is a sequel to
>Fallout.
>Baldur's Gate 2 is a sequel
>to Baldur's Gate.

Uh huh. But your other examples aren't.

>It is either, or. Learn how
>to use a damn dictionary!

TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE. You are making up your own definitions. I wouldn't doubt that there is NOBODY on this planet besides you that believes that two games in the same genre, but entirely different subjects are sequels.

Get a clue.

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Get your head out of your ass.

>It is being made by a
>majority of the original Fallout
>team.
>It(Arcanum) would not be if it
>weren't for Fallout.
>Therefore it IS very much a
>"Result or consequence" of Fallout.
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>
>Sequel-1. Consequence or result...
>
>And by definition it IS a
>sequel to Fallout.
>
>Not THE sequel but a sequel
>none the less

A sequel is a continuation of something, e.g. a continuation in a series. That definition you're looking at is only used to CLARIFY the meaning above. Furthermore it is the THIRD definition in three.

This isn't a matter of opinions on the definition of a word, YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG. So get your head out of your ass and WAKE UP.

This isn't ignorance, this is STUPIDITY.

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RE: Get your head out of your ass.

well...going by the usual nature of sequels, don't they usually mention if it's a sequel? i mean, yeah, Perfect Dark is a 'sort of' sequel to Goldeneye N64, but Nintendo nor Rare ever announced it. I've always considered sequels to (most of the time) have the numbers 2 or 3 or 4 etc tacked on to the original title, unless announced by the maker.

I think it is highly doubtable that Interplay or Black Isle would make a sequel to fallout or fallout 2 that has a completely different title, especially since they already named fallout 2 "fallout 2". likewise with Fallout Tactics: BOS, this still has 'fallout' in the title, but i really don't consider it a sequel. I think of BOS as more of a 'subsidiary' game...a game based on the basic plot, weapons and gameplay of another popular game.

i think what ever game you consider a sequel to fallout 2 is probably just a copycat of it...trying to immitate fallout and fallout 2. the similarities, arer striking, but i believe they're just trying to rake in dough from the fallout engine without actually having anything to do with Interplay or Black Isle.

-Silencer
 
RE: Get your head out of your ass.

Do not sell Arcanum so short Silencer.
Method man may be a fool when it comes to using the finer points of the English language but fact is that Arcanum IS being made by the majority of the talent that made Fallout so great in the first place, and is likely to be an awsome game for which I am awaiting impatiently.(even if it is NOT FO3)


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