Assasin's weapon

Dove said:
I agree with you on the "wild west" approach on weapons carry Requiem, but I disagree about the armor comment. As far as I remember all the advanced stuff, besides the brotherhood stuff, was made pre-war.
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That's what I meant, that if their technology was sufficient to make the armour, then they were probably advanced enough to make the gun using similar materials and techniques in the pre-war society. Since probably only the scientists of the vaults and brotherhood would of heard of metal detectors and using them to scan for weapons, it seems very unlikely that anyone else would even come up with the idea of a weapon that can pass undetected. I mean would anyone invent a fire extinguisher if they've never encounted fire?

Dove said:
Besides, even if the gun was made of ceramics and couldn't be detected by metal detectors, the ammunition would be made of lead and copper still. I really don't think people would go to all the trouble of making a firearm, as well as ammunition made of undetectable materials, just so they can get through a metal detector anyway.
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Most of the spy fiction that has this type of gun proposes that the bullets are made from synthetic materials as well. But still I don't think it belongs, even in the NCR I presumed that you wore your weapons openly in a holster (the inactive hand slot?) and the police would only object if you unholstered them.

Since it was an attempt at a tactical combat game FOT really needed some methods of silent killing, or at least a gun you could fire while sneaked but in an RPG such as the Fallout world I don't see the need. Some decent scripting that would allow you to kill someone (unobserved) in one part of a map without turning everyone else across the map hostile would be much better than some fancy weapon. Even if people heard a gun shot, unless someone see's you exit a building and then finds the dead body inside, doesn't mean that they would instantly realise that murder has been committed and you're the culprit. If you really want a silent kill then there's already the throwing knives.
 
There's a difference between armor and a gun barrel. Armor simply has to stop something and resist an impact; it's being compressed. A gun barrel on the other hand has to contain a large amount of outward, radial, pressure. This is why makeshift weapons like pipeguns like to burst a lot. Made out of cheap piping that was never meant to withstand huge amounts of radiated pressure. Even if you could make a ceramic barrel that would withstand the pressure, you're going to have problems with ablation and energy delivered to target. As someone above said, you would need to use synthetic projectiles which are for the most part light and thus need to be fairly large (or going very fast) to transfer a large amount of energy to the target when they impact. Synthetic materials could also lead to loss of penetration because the projectile decides to break up on the surface. Even normal clothing could possibly stop them then.


All of this is fairly pointless to think about either way, it doesn't apply to Fallout unless you want one faction of the BoS trying to assasinate the other. Even then, if you knew the other faction was thinking about killing you, would you take your armor off around other people? Do they seem to anyway? No. Just stab them or something and get it over with. There are already ceramic knives that are fairly easy to make. - Colt
 
I'll quote Wikipedia here:

The word ceramic is derived from Greek, and in its strictest sense refers to clay in all its forms. However, modern usage of the term broadens the meaning to include all inorganic non-metallic materials.
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Ceramics doesn't have to be clay. In Fallout it was most likely an advanced polymer (like the one they used for the Combat Armor).

I don't think it'd be sensible to have ceramic weapons (in Fallout) tho.

To quote a FAQ on Glock weapons:

There is no such thing as a porcelain or ceramic Glock. All Glocks are made from polymer and steel and always have been. This rumor got started (or maybe fueled) by a line from Bruce Willis in the movie 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder':

"That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me! You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines, and it cost more than you make here in a month."

This is, of course, complete hogwash. Don't believe everything you see in the movies.
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I suppose the misunderstanding was caused by some guy calling a polymer "ceramic" and then people kept on telling others about a "porcelain" gun (which, I assume, would blow up in your face if you pulled the trigger).

IIRC modern weapons tend to replace more and more metal pieces with advanced polymers tho, so maybe a "plastic" gun isn't that far off (except for Fallout).
 
I didn't find this item when playing the game, but this polymer rifle exists in FO2 ... XL70E3 Rifle ... This was an experimental weapon at the time of the war. Manufactured, primarily, from high-strength polymers, the weapon is almost indestructible. It's light, fast firing, accurate, and can be broken down without the use of any tools.
 
Yeah, and it's also based on a real-life gun IIRC.

I think it was even some kind of HK prototype or whatever. I'm not sure tho.
 
Good point, in the Fallout Universe the rather than going to all the trouble of making the weapon, they are much more likly to hire a band of raiders of form a gang and then overrun the metal detetor.

Rape, Pillage and Burn!
 
Bah. This is what you get when you let a reply box sit too logn without hitting submit. I might as well also add that the L85, the descendant of the XL70E3, is a very poor example of a modern combat rifle.

dude_obj said:
I didn't find this item when playing the game, but this polymer rifle exists in FO2 ... XL70E3 Rifle ... This was an experimental weapon at the time of the war. Manufactured, primarily, from high-strength polymers, the weapon is almost indestructible. It's light, fast firing, accurate, and can be broken down without the use of any tools.
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In fact, it is named precisely after the real world weapon. The Enfield XL70E3.

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However, the real weapon had a stamped steel receiver and not a polymer one. Modern weapons like the G36 use a polymer receiver with inserts. All of the important components are still made out of metal. Barrel, bolt, boltcarrier, piston, piston housing, triiggergroup, springs, pins. There is a huge difference between making the receiver out of polymers so that it is more durable and lighter and making the entire firearm out of it. - Colt
 
XL70E3

Where is this gun? I have played through the game dozens of times and have never found it.

Per Jorner, in his walkthrough, states that it is on a black-haired woman in the Tanker. No such luck.

I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks,
Sard
 
I would also like to see, sicknesses implemented such as maybe getting and STD. Sure it sounds bad but its the real world and sleeping around is a past-time in Fallout so why not? Also maybe instead of poison in darts, possibly a disease or bacteria that kills the character over varied degrees of time. Could be interesting but I'm not sure how it could be implemented.
 
What would be the point? Who would do that? The only case I can think of would be something like the USSR wanting the death to appear natural which won't need to be the case in Fallout. Just poison the bastard and get it over with. - Colt
 
Re: XL70E3

Sard said:
Where is this gun? I have played through the game dozens of times and have never found it.

Per Jorner, in his walkthrough, states that it is on a black-haired woman in the Tanker. No such luck.

I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks,
Sard
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You find it on a random encounter with a 'merchent and gaurds' between san fran and ncr (i got it ushally by the old military base)

They will be all wearing combat armour except the merchent, and the merchent will sell it to you... the gun itself is nothing speacial though
 
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