Avian bird flu update- going global

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So, have sex with any birds?

Is avian bird flu in your neck of the woods?

Avian flu
Ominous

Feb 23rd 2006
From The Economist print edition

Bird flu spreads around the globe

FOR most of the past three years, the highly pathogenic bird flu known as H5N1 has been found mainly in Asia. Suddenly it has arrived in many countries in Europe, triggering widespread alarm. The detection of the virus in wild birds across Europe is certainly a cause for concern, particularly to Europe's poultry farmers, who are rightfully worried that the presence of the virus in wild birds will increase the risk to their flocks. However, in the midst of a European debate about the benefits of vaccinating chickens and whether or not poultry should be brought indoors, there is a danger that far more significant events elsewhere will be overlooked.

Or eat more beef less chicken. And get mad cow disease.

In particular, most attention should be focused on the fact that bird flu is now widespread in the poultry flocks of two nations in Africa—Egypt and Nigeria—and in India. And on the fact that, in Nigeria, the disease is continuing to spread despite great efforts undertaken by the government. An outbreak in Afghanistan also appears to be inevitable.

Has anyone been paying attention to this?

Oh yeah.. it's the third world... never mind.

Arguably, these matter much more than the (also inevitable) arrival of the disease in Europe. Poor countries with large rural populations are in a far weaker position to handle, and stamp out, outbreaks of bird flu in poultry, through both culling and the prevention of the movement of animals in the surrounding areas. In Africa and India, chickens and ducks are far more likely to be found roaming in people's backyards, where they can mingle with humans, other domestic animals and wildlife, thus spreading the disease. In Europe, by contrast, most poultry are kept in regulated commercial farms.

The opening up of a new African front for the bird-flu virus is a problem because eradication there will be tremendously difficult. There is a high risk that the disease will spread to other countries on the continent and it could easily become endemic—as it has in Asia. This offers the virus huge new scope to mutate and become a disease that can pass between humans. The virus is certainly mutating—genetic changes have already affected its biological behaviour, although apparently not yet its transmission between humans. Experts are unsure as to how much, and what kind, of genetic changes would be required for the virus to become a global health threat. Nor do they know how long this process might take.

So if its going to change, its more likely to change in Africa or Asia?

But to dwell on the increased risk of a pandemic of influenza is to miss a serious point about the direct risks posed by the loss of a large numbers of chickens and ducks across Africa. For some time, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation has been warning that if avian flu gets out of control in Africa, it will have a devastating impact on the livelihoods of millions of people. Poultry is a vital source of protein. For example, it provides almost 50% of the protein in the diet of Egyptians. The spread of a disease that is highly lethal to poultry, and requires culling, could have a dire nutritional impact, there as elsewhere. Africa would also have to contend with huge economic losses. People who scratch out a living in poor African nations simply cannot afford to lose their chickens. Most of the world's poor live in rural areas and depend on agriculture. In Africa, rather a lot of these poor people depend heavily on their poultry. It is easy to see why some believe that bird flu could turn out to be primarily a development—rather than just a health—issue for the whole African continent.

No game of chicken
What can be done? It is clear that the movement and trade of poultry is making a big contribution to the spread of the virus (see article). That trade needs tighter regulation, as does the movement of live birds from countries with H5N1 infections. In such places trade should be suspended until flocks have been cleaned up.

In addition, Nigeria and surrounding countries need serious public-education campaigns about the danger of contact with dead birds. When outbreaks occur, governments should immediately offer realistic compensation to farmers for birds lost to disease and culling. Without this, poor farmers will be tempted to hide bird-flu outbreaks and continue to sell poultry that should be culled. Farming practices that mix poultry species in farms or live animal markets are a danger too, and must be addressed—although that might take longer. The effort would be helped if those in the poultry industry and governments in poultry-exporting nations would stop simply pointing to the risks posed by wild birds and start paying more attention to the movement of animals, products and people from infected to un-infected regions and countries.

Except these countries lack both the money and the infra-structure to actually achieve these goals.

Unusually for a complex problem with international ramifications, money is available to make a serious attempt at tackling it—$1.9 billion was pledged by the world's wealthier nations last month in Beijing. There is no excuse for delay, unless we want more dead people to follow lots more dead ducks.

I wonder. This is kind of like New Orleans or Iraq when you wonder- where did all that money go?
 
LOL

Let's spice this one up a bit -

SYLVIA YU:
Bird flu outlook not optimistic
CBC News Viewpoint | January 17, 2006

Despite five human deaths and about 30 outbreaks in poultry across China since the beginning of 2005, there’s little concern among locals about bird flu or the possibility that the H5N1 virus could mutate, spread between people and spark a pandemic.

"I’m not worried about it," Linda, a young Beijing woman, told me. "People are still eating at KFC restaurants and I eat two eggs every day. I don’t think it’s as bad as SARS." In fact, bird flu is worse than SARS.

And Health Ministry spokesman Mao Qunan has said he’s "not optimistic" about the bird flu outlook in China, even though more than 20 million birds have been culled and the government is working on a monitoring system in rural areas, where there are few doctors and even fewer people who can afford medical care.

Indeed, the two recent human deaths related to the H5N1 strain – A 10-year-old girl in southern Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region and a 35-year-old man in eastern Jiangxi province died in December – were not made public until much later. The reason, according to official media, was: "Byzantine bureaucratic procedures delayed the announcement."

In one attempt to reach the public, especially the migrant population, a hospital in northern Shanxi came up with bird flu playing cards, with cartoons that explain bird flu and its dangers and provide contact information for disease prevention centres around China.

It’s hard to say how effective these cards will be. Especially as backyard chicken owners are mostly poor and would hardly want to part with their main food supply.

The public is not entirely unaware of bird flu outbreaks. The price of poultry is down by about 20 per cent at the local supermarket and some restaurants that cater to foreigners don’t serve eggs or chicken. But it seems as though the only people seriously preparing for a potential pandemic are a few ex-pats like me. What motivates me is the health system here. While I had thought it was lacking in Canada, what with the long waits for surgery and how really hard it is to find a female family doctor. But compared to China, Canada’s health system is the best in the world.

One local doctor told me that in a worst-case pandemic scenario, the system here would undoubtedly collapse in days. How heartening. As a result of her inside scoop on the health-care system, in my mind’s eye I have imagined tens of thousands of sick people lying on the streets of Beijing with nowhere to go as the hospitals overflow with the dying. I’ve pictured myself, if I can get my hands on those white protective suits, walking down the streets of Beijing as an eyewitness to one of the darkest chapters in modern history.

A few days before China announced its first human case of bird flu last year, I was trying to take control of my initial fears – and the fact that I may have to document a pandemic – by rushing to the foreign hospital to get a flu jab.

I asked the head nurse whether they were prepared for a pandemic. "Not at all," she said with a laugh, saying she was already overloaded with work. She wasn’t too worried about it either. As well, my e-mails to a Canadian doctor in charge of pandemics at a hospital went unanswered. Apparently, he was at a symposium on pandemic preparation.

It was my ex-pat friend who had urged me to go and get the shot. She had some inside information about a certain organization’s work on the matter in China. Naturally, I freaked, thinking that she might know something really terrible — that bird flu was about to spread like wildfire. Turns out that she was more paranoid than anything and she had stocked up on canned goods, water, face masks and alcohol hand-solution faster than you could say "Armageddon." She was using alcohol spray to disinfect her hands, doorknobs and light fixtures. I thought it was a great idea. "Did you know that I had to pay $100 US at the hospital for a bunch of masks?" she said. "What a rip-off!"

In the past few months, my partner and I have had to come up with a bird flu plan. Would I stay in China or fly back to Vancouver? Where can we get Tamiflu or Relenza? Will his company supply us with Tamiflu?

I have decided to stay. I’d rather die with the love of my life. The Canadian border would probably close anyway. Our Canadian wedding is in April and we’ve had to ask our photographer and hotel to add a clause to our contracts: We wouldn’t have to pay the deposit if there should be a worldwide pandemic.

As I’ve watched or read reports of human misery in the past year, I’ve thought of what would I do if a pandemic should break out. Would I shrink back or help? In the worst of times, the very extremes come out in human nature. I’ve been revolted by news reports of people stealing children in Pakistan and been warmed by those who’ve shared all their earthly possessions with their neighbours in bleak situations. I hope I can be out there giving out food from my Armageddon stockpile. But ultimately, I hope there is no pandemic and we’ll still be discussing the next "big one" 20 years from now.

As for China, many have been watching how it’s handling the bird flu. After the SARS coverup a few years ago – still fresh in Chinese peoples’ minds, by the way – the government is careful to maintain an image of transparency and willingness to work with international bodies like the World Health Organization. But I believe more needs to be done on the public health side, so people like Linda will know that the H5N1 strain is more deadly than SARS.

She is really funny. I love it.

Her point of view is very western and yet she claims to have a more balanced view point.

This is funny because -

Well, 1. There are so many things that can kill you in China, and more are reported everyday, so what's a little chicken flu?

2. It doesn't matter what they said about SARS. According to people who lived through the outbreak in BJ, all the government had to do is evoke Marshal Law and nobody had the guts to complain too loud. If one person is sick, the entire family is locked in. If it happened in a rural village, the whole village is blocked off. Very Resident Evil and fairly effective. All that's missing is the nuke.

3. Thanks to MacD and KFC, most small family farms that produce the environment that created the outbreak is mostly wiped out. Most industrial sized poultry farmers are too rich to live with the chicken in the backyard.

4. Actually, if you ask the Chinese, the real problem underneath all this is economics. Chinese culture is a no waste culture. War, famine, and everything else has taught them to save everything. And that includes chickens that died of sickness. It's still food, the farmers will say. It's the same thing as the Amazon Rain Forest. It's hard to tell people to save the environment when they have no money.
 
I personally think we are fucked. Perhaps the bird flu won't kill us, but has anyone ever thought what happens if like 80% of birds take a dive?
Dead birds all over the place, rotting and being a perfect birthplace for some nasty things.

There is a reason why corpses are buried and burned in major crisis. Imagine collecting all the birds...impossible. Of course nature has it's own protection systems, but even that has limits.


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Member of Khans said:
SuAside said:
i ate chicken last night. 'nuf said.
Avian influenza viruses die when heated, because their proteins denature at approx. 70 °C.

'nuf said. ^^

True!

Well between Avian Flu and Mad Cow Disease I think I'll eat more mutton. ( :wink: @ Frissy)

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Fine by me, but just eat the sheep that are on my blacklist. I still support the death penalty. It doesn't really matter if you are innocent or not. You'r still guilty to me.

Bon Apetit :twisted:

Ps. Rumours about mad sheep disease are overrated. There is no such thing. Eat up...
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I just saw "the plague" on discovery channel another day and I was thinking about the panic and impact of an epidemic in society. If we have a influenza pandemic like the spanish flu we are doomed. Our society is not prepared to deal with such contagious disease. 100 million people worldwide died in just a year (1918-1919). So enjoy your fried chicken... If the bird flu mutates you are not going to get that eating chicken but from your next neighbor.
 
Well the bird flu itself isn't that bad (for you humans). I mean you almost literally need to spend time with birds a bit too much (the feathery ones...watch out Ashmo...). When if/or when it becomes a strain of "normal" influensa* (like your common flu) then all the hell will break loose. Still, that doesn't mean that just by looking at your loving neighbour will make you sick (looking too much will get you shot).

* They are affraid that a person with normal flu will get the bird flu and thus making is possible to become a pandemia that will spread like normal flu in the human population...truly fucked.

You still need to be sneezed at or spit at (and numerous other ways) to get the flu (in this case bird flu). We all know how easy it's not to get the normal flu (insert we are fucked here).

So people. Wash your hand and live in a bubble.
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