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So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Besides, trained pilots are harder to replace than ships.
Battlestar Galactica
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So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
boer_kameel
Still Mildly Glowing
I noticed a fan opinion that felt quite similar to another topic I like - what brought me here.
Thanks JR for bringing this up here! Indeed, the old BSG compared to the new series brings up resembling feelings with the old fans disliking it, or at least having second questions.
A standing ovation for this man. Well put indeed!
I agree that BSG should have gotten a new subtitle. As does F3.
The obvious F3 reference aside, I'll just continue about my BSG opinion.
I must say that I love the show. What some referenced at as "slower political episodes" kept me going. I really wonder how mankind's psyche reacts to such a recogniseable situation, in modern "terror" society and current SciFi fantasy.
That may have driven the creators to re-create the earth-like setting, with a president and all - although I must agree with Davaris and others that some setting details (humvee, Colonial/AirForce One) are mistakes.
It did not bother me that much however. the consistency in the "tech era" is ok, it's like present day but with FTL drives.
A though that crossed my mind is that all "futuristic" devices, with a PCB, can be influenced by the Cylon - or a EMP pulse, with all the nuclear weapons being tossed around.
The technical aspect is something I miss, I liked that part in other SciFi series. Although I can understand that only a small percentage of our population has the technical background, and/or the interest needed to try and grasp next generation technologies.
As JR mentioned, the psychological results of such a hopeless society are vast on every individual. This must be what it was like in the vault: Uncertainty, pecking order shifts, insanity - but this time dipped in a "don't trust your neighbour" sauce, as every one can be a machine-copied version of the real thing, trying to eradicate your race...
This all falls under the "demographic ratings" part. You can't assume that something will sell succesfully, and go play with millions of cash. Too bad this system is flawed, as quality seekers have - imho - long abandoned TV as viewing alternative. Most of Earth cannot receive the SciFi channel, and are force-fed call&sms games, big brother, the simple life and other mind-numbing cr*p.
I no longer have TV distribution, until we shift to on-demand (or broader choice) it's no loss for me, I'm on a sole boycot then ^_^
Davaris:
Good point about the nukings, there are some scenes where certain plot characters should have gotten a lethal dosage of radiation.
However, Muff mentioned that they possibly wanted Caprica for themselves (what a name is that anyway, you eat a Paprika) - not possibly, why else would they have started building there.
Remember the Sharon copy and Helo trying to get off there? It was infested by Cylons. They could have nuked the resistance there out of existence easy, but chose to build there and test on humans. I believe the mixed breeding thing started there, and - come on - the Cylons let them escape.
Requiem:
Although it sounds brilliant, "giving away that man created Cylons" is the main plot of the show. It gives background to why Gaius is having his visions, why the mixed babies are so important - too many references in the early series.
It would have provided a more WOW effect when told later, but I prefer a show with a more subtle plot and some good cliffhangers over a constant WOW show with no depth.
Your "holes in the story" (where a lance of vipers can fly through) also got me going a while, but when watching the series in a row they do close a lot of gaps in the later episodes.
If they're good storywriters, they made note of the holes and will fill it in due time. Besides, every good show had some holes - one of the key elements of the series is showing that humanity is flawed
Muff:
About "not exploring the virus on the beacon" - as I just said, a good storywriter takes note of that, and uses it in the plot later on. Time will tell whether they have good writers!
The Blackbird (Delta Flyer) ship was made for recon IMHO, and isn't sturdy enough for dogfights. that would explain why they don't mass-produce it.
I believe they also received some fighters from the Pegasus, only that ship was destroyed - it's fighters were guarding the civilian ships.
Outfitting civilian ships with guns crossed my mind too. That would disallow the word "civilian" to be used however, as it suddely becomes a threat to Cylons - and thus a target.
You don't want to draw fire to a poorly armored ship filled with civilians, right
Man, what a post... Time for a ciggy now.
Brings me to the last topic: JR, I think you were referencing to the smoking doctor. As in a clearly good person smoking versus contemporary "bad guy smoking" in popular shows and movies.
That a health'expert' is smoking, when mankind faces extintion, is a weird choice. Showing once again that mankind is flawed
So say we all.
Ps: I'm on a foreign keyboard, NMA's spelling function doesn't work, and I don't have Word (for spellcheck) here. I'll re-read tomorrow. Sorry for the errors.[/url]
Thanks JR for bringing this up here! Indeed, the old BSG compared to the new series brings up resembling feelings with the old fans disliking it, or at least having second questions.
Marshall L Smith Jr (marshallsmithjrATpobox.com) said:
A standing ovation for this man. Well put indeed!
I agree that BSG should have gotten a new subtitle. As does F3.
The obvious F3 reference aside, I'll just continue about my BSG opinion.
I must say that I love the show. What some referenced at as "slower political episodes" kept me going. I really wonder how mankind's psyche reacts to such a recogniseable situation, in modern "terror" society and current SciFi fantasy.
That may have driven the creators to re-create the earth-like setting, with a president and all - although I must agree with Davaris and others that some setting details (humvee, Colonial/AirForce One) are mistakes.
It did not bother me that much however. the consistency in the "tech era" is ok, it's like present day but with FTL drives.
A though that crossed my mind is that all "futuristic" devices, with a PCB, can be influenced by the Cylon - or a EMP pulse, with all the nuclear weapons being tossed around.
The technical aspect is something I miss, I liked that part in other SciFi series. Although I can understand that only a small percentage of our population has the technical background, and/or the interest needed to try and grasp next generation technologies.
As JR mentioned, the psychological results of such a hopeless society are vast on every individual. This must be what it was like in the vault: Uncertainty, pecking order shifts, insanity - but this time dipped in a "don't trust your neighbour" sauce, as every one can be a machine-copied version of the real thing, trying to eradicate your race...
This all falls under the "demographic ratings" part. You can't assume that something will sell succesfully, and go play with millions of cash. Too bad this system is flawed, as quality seekers have - imho - long abandoned TV as viewing alternative. Most of Earth cannot receive the SciFi channel, and are force-fed call&sms games, big brother, the simple life and other mind-numbing cr*p.
I no longer have TV distribution, until we shift to on-demand (or broader choice) it's no loss for me, I'm on a sole boycot then ^_^
Davaris:
Good point about the nukings, there are some scenes where certain plot characters should have gotten a lethal dosage of radiation.
However, Muff mentioned that they possibly wanted Caprica for themselves (what a name is that anyway, you eat a Paprika) - not possibly, why else would they have started building there.
Remember the Sharon copy and Helo trying to get off there? It was infested by Cylons. They could have nuked the resistance there out of existence easy, but chose to build there and test on humans. I believe the mixed breeding thing started there, and - come on - the Cylons let them escape.
Requiem:
Although it sounds brilliant, "giving away that man created Cylons" is the main plot of the show. It gives background to why Gaius is having his visions, why the mixed babies are so important - too many references in the early series.
It would have provided a more WOW effect when told later, but I prefer a show with a more subtle plot and some good cliffhangers over a constant WOW show with no depth.
Your "holes in the story" (where a lance of vipers can fly through) also got me going a while, but when watching the series in a row they do close a lot of gaps in the later episodes.
If they're good storywriters, they made note of the holes and will fill it in due time. Besides, every good show had some holes - one of the key elements of the series is showing that humanity is flawed
Muff:
About "not exploring the virus on the beacon" - as I just said, a good storywriter takes note of that, and uses it in the plot later on. Time will tell whether they have good writers!
The Blackbird (Delta Flyer) ship was made for recon IMHO, and isn't sturdy enough for dogfights. that would explain why they don't mass-produce it.
I believe they also received some fighters from the Pegasus, only that ship was destroyed - it's fighters were guarding the civilian ships.
Outfitting civilian ships with guns crossed my mind too. That would disallow the word "civilian" to be used however, as it suddely becomes a threat to Cylons - and thus a target.
You don't want to draw fire to a poorly armored ship filled with civilians, right
Man, what a post... Time for a ciggy now.
Brings me to the last topic: JR, I think you were referencing to the smoking doctor. As in a clearly good person smoking versus contemporary "bad guy smoking" in popular shows and movies.
That a health'expert' is smoking, when mankind faces extintion, is a weird choice. Showing once again that mankind is flawed
So say we all.
Ps: I'm on a foreign keyboard, NMA's spelling function doesn't work, and I don't have Word (for spellcheck) here. I'll re-read tomorrow. Sorry for the errors.[/url]
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
A volley of rotten tomatoes more like it.boer_kameel said:
The show isn't an homage it's a travesty. It's dire, filling in plot holes as the show goes on isn't great writing, it's the bare minimum I'd expect from a professional production.
If you want deep and meaningful sci-fi there's plenty of other places to look, if you don't think an action show would sell to a modern audience then you don't buy the rights to remake one. Though saying that pure action doesn't seem to hurt the box office summer blockbusters.
Even Enterprise was better than this turd. Don't give the show a chance, kill it and bury it!
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
I liked a lot of the mini series, and enjoyed the first two seasons, with ups and downs it is solid television.
The third season is horrendous though, I spent most of the time either screaming WTF!!!... or trying not to puke. What were they thinking? How can something fell in such an atrocious way?
Really, what happened?
The third season is horrendous though, I spent most of the time either screaming WTF!!!... or trying not to puke. What were they thinking? How can something fell in such an atrocious way?
Really, what happened?
Briosafreak said:
I've been waiting for the season to come out on DVD as I don't have cable where I love. I'm starting to worry but, since the sci-fi network is composed of a bunch of complete utter idiots... What other choice do I have?
I suppose I could go to their website and contract a serious spyware infection just to see a couple highlights of the season. I also suppose I could bit torrent an episode and end up like the poor saps that I have to call every day and notify them that NBC/Universal is threatening a lawsuit for them doing a completely understandable and justifiable thing.
I also suppose the Sci-Fi network could get their heads out of their asses and run that network properly.
All said and done, I find it amazing that Ron Moore is sucking at what he is pure genius at. He arguably helped forge one of the best Star Trek series out there. It just baffles the mind that he could lose traction to create an atrocious season 3.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
I have it on DVD, it has been out for a while. I went to ask Ausir what happened, he's my resident sci-fi guru, I normally just follow B5 stuff.
He talks about problems in the beginning of the season, because of a lack of direction and a bible that wasn't clear or detailed enough, but I don't know what really happened, half the season through you start thinking there's something very wrong, with a lot of filler episodes, but then the entire thing crumbles into ridiculous twists followed with Deus Ex machina cheats and atrocious writing in every corner.
I'm traumatized with the thing, I should burn it on a cathartic ritual...
Poor actors and actresses, having to keep a straight face in all of that mess.
He talks about problems in the beginning of the season, because of a lack of direction and a bible that wasn't clear or detailed enough, but I don't know what really happened, half the season through you start thinking there's something very wrong, with a lot of filler episodes, but then the entire thing crumbles into ridiculous twists followed with Deus Ex machina cheats and atrocious writing in every corner.
I'm traumatized with the thing, I should burn it on a cathartic ritual...
Poor actors and actresses, having to keep a straight face in all of that mess.
Briosafreak said:
Not over here. I don't know where Maphusio lives, but here (Belgium and maybe the Netherlands), it's not out yet. It should have been out (3rd season) around this time but it got delayed to the 28th of januari (at least according to BOL.com). The French version is out but the Dutch one isn't yet.
Therefor i can't comment on season 3 yet. I'll have to wait and see.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
I bought it on Amazon.co.uk. Pre ordered it even, which made the entire viewing even more painful 
The ending of the last season was a joke to me, I'm almost hoping it will end up being a dream sequence like Dallas as opposed to the drek it became. Maybe they can rescue it in season 4, but I'm not so sure. Find myself more looking forward to the Razor movie than the new season.