For weeks I've been trying to understand, maybe because my point of view at 'Beth is set to good. I enjoyed Fallout 3 to the maximum length. It is Fallout 3 that called me and gave me a warm welcome to the Fallout universe (found the game on a store, in a corner and had some dust on the box, the PA cought my eye and it was an instant buy). After Fallout 3 I wanted more and more and then the DLCs were rolling out. I had so much fun. After that New Vegas came and I was stunned to see the positive changes in the game. It is New Vegas that drove me to buy Fallout, Fallout 2 & Fallout - Tactics because the lore is all there in the games. Anyway, I did notice people pretty much hating 'Beth for some reason. Care to tell me your reason why you dislike 'Beth and like 'Sidian more and way you want to see Fallout 4 to be devd by 'Sidian. Thanks!
'Beth vs. 'Sidian
- Thread starter Dienan
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woo1108 said:
This isn't about Fallout 3 fanboysm or anything. Why would you even call me a Fallout 3 fanboy when I haven't posted anything that says so? I was merely trying to learn the what people think of Beth and what's that they have done wrong to the series. I can't just go out in the street and ask everyone the question I've asked here. If you see anything implaying an attempt to troll, it's best to report the thread. Here in my country we have a saying, "If it doesn't do any good, then don't..". So why don't you start by posting your point of view on Beth and Obisidian, mate?
Because fo3 is the only Fallout which made by beth.
and lots of fanboy trolling with this topic.
and why we have to discuss about this here?
this should be discussed at "Future Fallout discuss" index.
anyway
Beth
-don't willing to make good rpg
-poor story
-has good graphic designer
-has poor level designer
-has sucking lore maker.
-poor at balancing.
-don't do anything new.
obsidian
-trying something new
-good story writer.
-respect lore
-better balancing than beth
-better quest design than beth.
-made better game than beth
and lots of fanboy trolling with this topic.
and why we have to discuss about this here?
this should be discussed at "Future Fallout discuss" index.
anyway
Beth
-don't willing to make good rpg
-poor story
-has good graphic designer
-has poor level designer
-has sucking lore maker.
-poor at balancing.
-don't do anything new.
obsidian
-trying something new
-good story writer.
-respect lore
-better balancing than beth
-better quest design than beth.
-made better game than beth
Actually Obsidian was made by pre-Black isle member and they made FO2 and cancelled Fo3, Van buran.Dienan said:
Not only about Fallout, but as RPG maker,
I was disapointed with beth since oblivion.
they didn't show any potential to make good rpg but
they showing that they will made degenerated game after all.
they don't have any intention to make good rpg.
That's the reason I hate beth.
but actually they have good technology to do that.
they just don't make.
on the other hand, Obsidian showed potential to
make good RPG from Alpha protocol, New Vegas and NWN2(but original is sucks.). all of them has flaws but their good points showed good potential and good intention.
Languorous_Maiar
A Smooth-Skin
You're blind? Beth is bad cause they fucked up entire lore, which was mentioned numerous times.
I wonder when you gonna stop trolling.
Languorous_Maiar
A Smooth-Skin
It's problem when game is called "Fallout" especially "Fallout 3" not "Fallout: East Coast".
or Fallout reboot. 
thinking about FF.
they don't have lore among series but they use number
so not a big problem.
But it's waste of good lore.
and for lore, beth ruined not only lore of Fallout, but also for TES.
lore of TES is became worse after oblivion.
actually it was good only at Morrowind.
thinking about FF.
they don't have lore among series but they use number
so not a big problem.
But it's waste of good lore.
and for lore, beth ruined not only lore of Fallout, but also for TES.
lore of TES is became worse after oblivion.
actually it was good only at Morrowind.
Kalasanty11
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Nobody (I think) argues about F3 being 3D.Dienan said:
It's not only about protagonist coming from a vault. F3 rehashes many other elements of previous games settings. And when it's not rehashed it usually doesn't make sense (like Little Lamplight or Megaton).
But IMHO, Beth is hated the most for making great TBRPG into shitty shooter. Just because it has some RPG elements, like exp, loot and skills, doesn't make it true RPG.
I get the whole thing now. Although I was expecting you guys would share your view with me on the changes they made to the game & the universe. I went on many forums and did a lot of reading. Found that many young genaration (me included) didn't know Fallout 1 & didn't know that it was there all along. Fallout 3 was the road to the Fallout universe for most of us. If I hadn't find Fallout 3, I wouldn't be playing Fallout Tactics in a Saturday when it's my only full free day from work. Obsidian actually was trying to justifiy and was trying to reduce the damage done by Beth to the series through the under developed Fallout 3. Got the whole picture there..
Surf Solar
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
This disussion has been held so many times on this forum..
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Shhh Surf Solar. We also really need another "What's your favorite X?" Topics, those never get old.
Wumbology
Actually a sentient CRT
Languorous_Maiar said:
I wonder when you're going to realize not every inquisitive person is a troll.
Languorous_Maiar
A Smooth-Skin
For inquisitive persons there is "search" function.
Sorry for not using the search function 'properly'. I did search but my keyword was too simple to return with a good match. Anyway, when you think about it from another perspective what if Van Buren was Fallout 3 and what if Bethisda never bought the IP and made their own Fallout 3? I would've liked the first 2 minutes (I played it for 2 minutes) but what's the point? Fallout 3 interduced a whole new 3D world and brought exploration to a whole new level. Away from awful sprites, came real weapon models, character models. I don't think I would've liked a isomatric new vegas if the tradition continued.
Emperor
Simplesmente Rajuma
If Fallout stayed with Black Isle and kept it's gameplay, isometric view and quality from it's predecessors ( especially Fallout 1) I would be so happy and if Tim Cain worked on it I would be in heaven. Unfortunately only in a parallel world this exist but I still have a bit of hope on Obsidian making another Fallout, especially with Tim on their team. You may not like the old tradition but it has it's charm
Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
Dienan said:
All of the virtues you name in this post are the usual on a generic 3D dungeon exploring RPG. There's no need for a Fallout to fulfill such a niche, so I'd rather prefer a good Fallout than just another exploration RPG.
it would be another great Fallout.Dienan said:
Fo3 did nothing new. There was STALKER and oblivion already existed.
and both two games are far better than fo3.
it's not a good exploration game. for real exploration, I rather play thief series(for dungeon) or Morrowind or other games.
in fact, at Morrowind, you can fly! can you fly at fo3?
instead of awesome 2D kill effect they add awful tomato juice effect.
do you really like character models of fo3?
you just like beth's another masterbation program not a game.
for Isometric, I don't think isometric is best.
There's lots of alternate way of graphic.
such as Top view, rotatable 3D, FPS etc.
fo3 is sucks not because it's not a isometric game.
The core contents of Fallout(actually, genealogy of Wasteland) is
overcome puzzles, difficulties, and other things with "your own judgment" and given "skills and attribute" .
but for fo3, there's nothing about these two while NV has these contents. That's the difference.