Between the Devil and The Dumbass
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slicer17 said:
It this kind of hype and dissembling that helps no one and makes you look like one of the fools on Crossfire.
Yet for the record I agree with your stance on privatized social security. I'll be damned if I will be paying for our parent's incompetence by an ever larger chunk of my paycheck going to their retirement-they had decades to figure it out with nothing to show for it but a bankrupt system (in the long run)-fuck 'em.
I also finally remembered who Jim Traffikant is: the fool from Ohio who got booted from the Senate for corruption. if you really want him as your next president, we are in sad shape indeed.
God bloody damnit! Learn the meaning of words before you use them. Communism is not totalitarianism, nor is it any form of constantly monitoring everyone and everything. I am sick and fucking tired of people who don't know what they are talking about abusing a bunch of terms.slicer17 said:
Sander said:
Preach the word brother! Preach the good word of intellect!
You're just jealous America is the only place with REAL Libertarians. All the rest don't really know they stand for something completely different.
That's what happens when their schools, media and parents feed them bullshit propaganda (i.e. the only kind of propaganda that exists in USA.) Suddenly words like 'communism', 'socialism', 'leftist' and 'marxist' have become synonims for everything evil. If they were smart enough to take into the account the fact that half European governments are basically left-wing, they would come to a horrifying conclusion that entire Europe is some kind of a totalitarian hell where citizens starve to death or are randomly shot in the streets by evil wraiths disguised as militia officers.Sander said:
Buy a clue, people.
Tsk. Nobody said a damn word about my great picture.
Go to hell.
Go to hell.
It's a nice picture honey. Veeery nice!
You made that all by yourself?
*pets woozie*
You made that all by yourself?
*pets woozie*
Mr. Nudge a while ago said:
*Looks at picture*
*masturbates furiously*
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Dictatorship of the Proletariant, Sander. Damn, Marx was so anti-democratic that he was ambivilent about the Paris Commune as it procrastinated doing things for Democratic processes!Sander said:
Ratty said:
This is laregly true, but the belief that Europe is full of totalitarian anti-democratic socialists is largely true from the American perspective, as the history of the US in the 20th Century is us helping the British save the wolrd from the horrors of the continent.
Not true. Why the bloody hell does everybody twist Marx's teachings? 'Dictatorship of the proletariat' is just a phrase Marx coined, and it really means 'Workers' democracy.' Rather than a system where all power is is hands of a handful of wealthy capitalists, Marx proposed a system where all power is equally divided among workers, who make up a vast majority of population - when power is in hands of about 95% people, the state can hardly be considered totalitarian. However, everyone who ever comes in contact with Marx's teachings is eager to cling to the 'dictatorship' bit - communists did it because it gave them an excuse to constitute totalitarian countries, where state isn't ruled by the workers, but rather by a handful of Party leaders who tendentiously call themselves 'the people's government' and rule 'in the name of the workers'; and their opponents love to use it as some kind of an absolute proof that socialism is by definition an undemocratic system that can only function as a brutal police state. Such intentional misinterpretations eventually led to utter failure of socialism as both a political and an economic system and, consequentially, suffering of millions of people. Marx himself disagreed with them, as indicated by his famous sentence: "All I know is I'm not a Marxist."ConstipatedCraprunner said:
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Wooz said:
I'm pleased you used pictures from a site I linked to.
Also, I really like what you did with George's jaw. Kerry's not as convincing though. =(
Any decent government would summarily execute people for puns that bad, Wooz.
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Ratty said:
no
Marxism is by it's very nature an undemocratic ideal, as it is merley about switiching roles in society, and not giving true equality (in the far, far future it is, but then again, but that's in tens of thousands of years).. True, the notion of the Proletariant Dictatorship was abused in the USSR (I'd argue that was inevitable, only stupid labourers are Marxists, and stupid labourers are too stupid to understand anything outside proporganda), but the notion was that the Workers would assume superiority over the Capitalists, and the Capitalists would become the underclass, the worthless, the vote less. Or be killed. Just as bad.
Don't trust me, trust Marx's reaction to the democratic process in the Paris Commune, or democracy at all.
Ratty said:
Did you just use the word tendentiously in a sentence?
Freak. 8)
Murdoch,
it is fine to try and call me on a subject. Thats fine, but to call me uneducated crosses the line. Especially when you are so, so horribley wrong.
You are the one that has been indoctrinated and lied too. And you have bought into it. As CCR has already shown. Now heres my turn to sling mud.
Murdoch
"But this is what democracy is about. So-called democracy is the nonsensical abstract delusion which has been brought to Afghanistan and Iraq with so much bloodshed, allegedly for their betterment. But democracy is just a very sophisticated form of dictatorship masquerading as benign. It is the dictatorship of whichever party has been able to fool the people the best. In other words, it is the one which has the most effective PR (which could also mean the one with the most money!). [Another sidebar thought here: Just as William Perkins said in 1611 that when comparing White Magic and Black Magic, "White Magick is the worser of the two" because of its pretence to be pure and thus deceive even more, so one could say that, in a sense, when comparing "democracy" with dictatorship, "democracy" in other words, of course Marx is about democracy -- democracy doesn't support the rights of individuals, it fuels and festers the mob, to the ultimate betterment of those who control the mob (i.e., communism!!) that my friend, is why we are supposed to have a REPUBLIC, not a democracy 'Marx wasn't so bad, he was really just pushing democracy!', ummm.... yeah
by CCR-
All i have to say is, STuuupidz!!!! CCR ownz Juuu!
It is well documented that Marx was a Satanist. If you have done ANY reasearch about Marx at all, instead of spewing what your college friends have been telling you, you would know the mass deception marx tried to pull off. Marx's aim was CONSTANT REVOLUTION! A state of never ending war and death. Not to mention he was a racist, calling people "nigger jews"
The proof against marx being a satanist is strong. Read some of his books, even better, read some of his personal corospondence between Fredrick Engels and Marx. Even marx's wife refered to him as "high priest" and his son (whom commited suicide) refered to him as "my dear devil" Not to mention Marx was mentored by a gentlemen (who i cant remember his name atm) who later become a friend and funder of Hitler. (whom he later came to denounce)
You sir, are the fool on crossfire.
Before you start yelling "conspiracy Freak" do the research, you asshat.
it is fine to try and call me on a subject. Thats fine, but to call me uneducated crosses the line. Especially when you are so, so horribley wrong.
You are the one that has been indoctrinated and lied too. And you have bought into it. As CCR has already shown. Now heres my turn to sling mud.
Murdoch
"But this is what democracy is about. So-called democracy is the nonsensical abstract delusion which has been brought to Afghanistan and Iraq with so much bloodshed, allegedly for their betterment. But democracy is just a very sophisticated form of dictatorship masquerading as benign. It is the dictatorship of whichever party has been able to fool the people the best. In other words, it is the one which has the most effective PR (which could also mean the one with the most money!). [Another sidebar thought here: Just as William Perkins said in 1611 that when comparing White Magic and Black Magic, "White Magick is the worser of the two" because of its pretence to be pure and thus deceive even more, so one could say that, in a sense, when comparing "democracy" with dictatorship, "democracy" in other words, of course Marx is about democracy -- democracy doesn't support the rights of individuals, it fuels and festers the mob, to the ultimate betterment of those who control the mob (i.e., communism!!) that my friend, is why we are supposed to have a REPUBLIC, not a democracy 'Marx wasn't so bad, he was really just pushing democracy!', ummm.... yeah
by CCR-
All i have to say is, STuuupidz!!!! CCR ownz Juuu!
It is well documented that Marx was a Satanist. If you have done ANY reasearch about Marx at all, instead of spewing what your college friends have been telling you, you would know the mass deception marx tried to pull off. Marx's aim was CONSTANT REVOLUTION! A state of never ending war and death. Not to mention he was a racist, calling people "nigger jews"
The proof against marx being a satanist is strong. Read some of his books, even better, read some of his personal corospondence between Fredrick Engels and Marx. Even marx's wife refered to him as "high priest" and his son (whom commited suicide) refered to him as "my dear devil" Not to mention Marx was mentored by a gentlemen (who i cant remember his name atm) who later become a friend and funder of Hitler. (whom he later came to denounce)
You sir, are the fool on crossfire.
Before you start yelling "conspiracy Freak" do the research, you asshat.
? @ Slicer17
Dude, Sander wrote the first passage. And you are telling me to get my facts straight? And why do your quotes seem to be all frelled up? Fix them before the mods come through and clean house.
You didn't respond to a single thing I said with any more proof than I gave in my assertions; try to do so in the future. Plus, Sander and CCR always have these little lover's quarrrels, and here you come getting in between them? please.
Resarch indeed
Dude, Sander wrote the first passage. And you are telling me to get my facts straight? And why do your quotes seem to be all frelled up? Fix them before the mods come through and clean house.
You didn't respond to a single thing I said with any more proof than I gave in my assertions; try to do so in the future. Plus, Sander and CCR always have these little lover's quarrrels, and here you come getting in between them? please.
Resarch indeed
whoops -
my point still stands.
/ redirects asshat comment
Im tired of beating my fist (no not masturbating) So ill just make my point clear. No communist state has ever existed where there was no military or government forcing it upon them. Ever. Nuff said. whats that? Need an example?
(Wellfare, the precursor to a communist state)
John Smith's Virginia Village
In a place associated with many firsts, this might be regarded as America’s original welfare program. And it was vital; when relations with the Powhatans soured, as they did in the winter of 1609-10, Englishmen starved by the hundreds.
my point still stands.
/ redirects asshat comment
Im tired of beating my fist (no not masturbating) So ill just make my point clear. No communist state has ever existed where there was no military or government forcing it upon them. Ever. Nuff said. whats that? Need an example?
(Wellfare, the precursor to a communist state)
John Smith's Virginia Village
In a place associated with many firsts, this might be regarded as America’s original welfare program. And it was vital; when relations with the Powhatans soured, as they did in the winter of 1609-10, Englishmen starved by the hundreds.
slicer17 said:
You dumbshit. If you can't even be bothered to fix your misquoted post or respond with evidence to contradict my points then to hell with you. Go away, and never come back.
