Brian Menze sells his Vault Boy art on eBay

Xixao4590 said:
Bethesda is on my blacklist. Hate this company more and more.
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indeed. unfortunately there are many, many, many people out there who are ready and willing to not only settle for:

[Intelligence] So you say you fight the good fight with your voice, etc.

but to shell out their money for it. and then again and again for shoddy and embarrassing DLC. it's hard to put the blame on a big corporation like Bethesda/Zenimax who are doing all they can to squeeze a franchise they didn't invent for all the cash it's worth, when you've got a million idiots out there buying into what they're selling.
 
Well, you gotta understand, depending on the contract, if you do art for a company, it's not your art anymore. It belongs to that company. Now, I don't know the specifics of the contract that was in effect during Fallout 2 at Interplay, nor the specifics of the contract selling the Fallout rights to Bethesda, but if Bethesda bought Fallout and everything associated, then it is Bethesda's art, not Menze's, and Bethesda retains the right to do as they please with said art.

And in this case, Bethesda/ZeniMax bought Fallout. They own everything Fallout, even 11 year old production art.
 
Shows once again how intellectual property is a biased and meaningless concept.
Doesn't even protect the authors anymore. How ironic !
Now exclusively on earth, when you buy a fucking name, you get to own every single piece of paper/shit/insert-anything-here with this name on it.

Piratpartiet !!!
 
Yes. Or, in other words, why share and help improve everyone situation and well-being when we can be greedy bastards and lock property of concepts, ideas, and information, in the sole purpose of allowing a few to make a shitful of money ?

Or, what the hell are these open-source fools thinking ? That they can work for free and then still make enough money to live ? How ridiculous, isn't it ? They are like, being generous ??

Thankfully some people are seeing a real progress in letting information be manipulated freely. If you don't want to be part of it, that's your choice. Let's speak again about it in 30 years.
 
I can partly understand what Bethesda is doing, but it doesn't make it less dickish. It's his artwork, and yeah, he sold it/made it for Interplay, who sold the rights to Bethesda, but the fact that Bethesda now owns it shouldn't hinder him in selling it.
 
Rufus Luccarelli said:
You cannot sell something that isn't your's.
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To me it's more a question of who should be the owner of the work. The man who made it, or the company he made it for.
 
I know it seems weird that someone doesn't own their artwork, but that's the way it is if you are commissioned by a company to do art for them. Ever go to and artist's website or something and they offer commissions? You tell that artist what you want them to draw... for you. They draw it, send it, it's yours; you hang it up over your fireplace and sit and stare at it while you shift brandy by the firelight. Years later, the you visit the artist's website and he is trying to sell your beloved commissioned artwork. It's not his to sell, he sold it to you, it is yours now.

It's the same situation here. While this is a company vs an individual, and the individual had the art in his possession, he doesn't have the right to sell it. The company bought his art, he got paid to come up with and create this art. The company bought it, it is the company's art.
 
I completely understand the legal issues, and this is just me trying to be somewhat ethical and whatnot. I know he sold those rights, and I understand why Bethesda did it, to some extent. I don't see how it could harm them, and I don't see why they should stop him, I mean, it's not like they need the money, but I understand the situation.

aka corporate bullshit.
 
Rufus Luccarelli said:
I know it seems weird that someone doesn't own their artwork, but that's the way it is if you are commissioned by a company to do art for them. Ever go to and artist's website or something and they offer commissions? You tell that artist what you want them to draw... for you. They draw it, send it, it's yours; you hang it up over your fireplace and sit and stare at it while you shift brandy by the firelight. Years later, the you visit the artist's website and he is trying to sell your beloved commissioned artwork. It's not his to sell, he sold it to you, it is yours now.

It's the same situation here. While this is a company vs an individual, and the individual had the art in his possession, he doesn't have the right to sell it. The company bought his art, he got paid to come up with and create this art. The company bought it, it is the company's art.
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I understand it's the way it is in the corporate industry, and that it's how contracts are probably formulated.

But it doesn't mean it coulnd't or shouldn't be otherwise.
For example you could consider the designer grant use of the design, i.e. the information of the design, to the company, but he still own the actual piece of paper and can do whatever he wants with it.
Grant use as in "You can use it for whatever you want but I'm still the author".
AKA how workers must fix their own prerequisites before accepting a job.

In an always more digitalized world there is an urge to fix our notion of how information is sold/released/protected.
 
Arr0nax said:
But it doesn't mean it coulnd't or shouldn't be otherwise.
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Well, that's the way it is, deal with it.

The contracts have been signed. Selling was apparently a breach in contract. The end.

This here is a good example to the artists, graphic designers out there: read your contracts carefully.
 
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