Building a PC
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Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
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Really really really really really bad drivers compared to nvidia; which is saying something, since nvidia's aren't exactly known for being perfect.
Basically they stopped even trying to put out functional drivers, and just settled for covering the low-end of the GPU market instead of getting their act together and actually competing with nvidia's high-end products. With nvidia completely dominating the cutting edge, the advances in each new line of hardware become less and less meaningful (There's no need to put out something truly mind-blowing when you don't have any competition to threaten sales); while prices still stay high.
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
You know whats buuuuuuuuuuuuuullshit?
I heard that "argument" before, actually its the first "argument" and only "argument" people tend to have against an ATI and it bullshit.
ATI drivers are just as good and as bad as Nvidias drivers are.
One has to show me evidence that it is otherwise. My Ati 9600pro from 2003 never had any driver problems nor does the Ati 4870 that a friend owns.
The only thing that might be different is that Nvidia is paying big money to buy themselves into the game developement process so some games run better on a Nvidia in the first couple of days after their release. See: GTA4, Crysis.
Nvidia being cutting edge?
Maybe 3 years ago with the 8800 Series. Right now ATI is way more innovative... remember when the 4870(x2) was released? it blew every Nivida card away. All that Nvidia did in the last 2 years was relabeling their old 8800 series. Assassins Creed showed the advantages of Direct X 10.1 but the devolper hat to disable it since Nvidia didn't like the fact that their cards didn't have DX 10.1 support.
Its funny how people still think that Nvidia is still cutting edge. ATI is going to release the first Direct X11 card soon! Mounths before Nvidia will be able to do so.
I would never buy a graphicscard solely on the name of the manufacturer. Times are changing.
In 2003 I would have bought an ATI 9800pro.
In 2007 a Nvidia 8800...
One should always go for the best bang for the buck.
Anyway if you can't wait for the new DX11 GPUs you should either get the NVIDIA GTX 260/216 or ATI HD 4890.
The best budget- gaming card right now is the ATI 4770.
So, got the parts today. Everything is together . . . Power it up to get 4 long repeating beeps. Turns out the RAM I purchased required 2.3 volts, not the standard 1.8 volts the BIOS gives, meaning I can't actually get into the BIOS to even change the settings.
So help me, when I do this again . . . iamb calling the manufacturers of everything before I purchase, just to get the stuff that's not posted on the packaging/website.
Damn you Kingston, damn you.
Now, to hunt down some ultra-cheap DDR2! Or borrow some.
So help me, when I do this again . . . iamb calling the manufacturers of everything before I purchase, just to get the stuff that's not posted on the packaging/website.
Damn you Kingston, damn you.
Now, to hunt down some ultra-cheap DDR2! Or borrow some.
When I bought my latest PC (half a year ago or so, I think) ATI was crushing Nvidia in any and all benchmarks, in-game or otherwise. So I bought a 4870HD.Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
If their drivers are a lot worse than Nvidia's, then their hardware must be much, much, much better. But you're incorrect, and it's simply a silly myth based on the state of drivers 10 years ago.
ATI and Nvidia play a sort of tag team when it comes to being the forerunners. Just like AMD and Intel.
Alright, so what should I look for in a newer graphics card, pending aquisition of funds? Only real concern is that the price be below $125, as per newegg.ca.
I don't play many new games, by the way. Resolution sits at a constant 1680 x 1050. Likely will never go higher either, otherwise i have to play with the DPI, resulting in a fugly display.
I don't play many new games, by the way. Resolution sits at a constant 1680 x 1050. Likely will never go higher either, otherwise i have to play with the DPI, resulting in a fugly display.
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
iii said:You know whats buuuuuuuuuuuuuullshit?
I heard that "argument" before, actually its the first "argument" and only "argument" people tend to have against an ATI and it bullshit.
ATI drivers are just as good and as bad as Nvidias drivers are.
One has to show me evidence that it is otherwise. My Ati 9600pro from 2003 never had any driver problems nor does the Ati 4870 that a friend owns.
The only thing that might be different is that Nvidia is paying big money to buy themselves into the game developement process so some games run better on a Nvidia in the first couple of days after their release. See: GTA4, Crysis.
Nvidia being cutting edge?
Maybe 3 years ago with the 8800 Series. Right now ATI is way more innovative... remember when the 4870(x2) was released? it blew every Nivida card away. All that Nvidia did in the last 2 years was relabeling their old 8800 series. Assassins Creed showed the advantages of Direct X 10.1 but the devolper hat to disable it since Nvidia didn't like the fact that their cards didn't have DX 10.1 support.
Its funny how people still think that Nvidia is still cutting edge. ATI is going to release the first Direct X11 card soon! Mounths before Nvidia will be able to do so.
I would never buy a graphicscard solely on the name of the manufacturer. Times are changing.
In 2003 I would have bought an ATI 9800pro.
In 2007 a Nvidia 8800...
One should always go for the best bang for the buck.
Anyway if you can't wait for the new DX11 GPUs you should either get the NVIDIA GTX 260/216 or ATI HD 4890.
The best budget- gaming card right now is the ATI 4770.
there was a game that came out 3-4 years ago that had the ATI logo on the box not the NVIDIA one.
when the game came out, LOTS of people couldnt play the game. they kept getting crashing errors and would CTD when trying to play.
turns out, they released their game based on alpha drivers from ATI, and the drivers were not going to be released that allowed their game to run for a month.
NVIDIA people got to play their game just fine. the ATI people that the game was designed for? had to wait.
this is not uniqe either. this ALSO happended for GTA4
I've had no problems running GTA4 on my ATI card, even when it just came out.TheWesDude said:
Also, what happened 3-4 years back has nothing to do with the state of things now. Speaking now, there is nothing wrong with ATI's drivers.
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
What's ATI support of old games like? It seems like every time a new Nvidia driver comes out one of my older favorites stops working.
I haven't had any problems getting any old game to work, although most of those I play through Good Old Games, DOSBox, ScummVM or the like for convenience, so that may not mean much.requiem_for_a_starfury said:
I wouldn't expect ATI to be much better with supporting old games if they break something, but I haven't noticed them breaking anything. The Fallout games, Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, Freespace 2 (with the up-to-date mod so may not mean much), Elite Force all worked fine for me.
Much better than Nvidia, I think. I was pleasantly surprised to find that I was able to play Infinity Engine games without graphical corruption and other shit when I made the switch from an 8800 GTS to a HD 4850. With the 8800, I had all sorts of problems with Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, and others.... Sprites wouldn't display correctly, all kinds of shit. Also, apparently due to their implementation of HDCP, every single release of ForceWare from about 100 and up wouldn't let me do proper resolution scaling in XP with that card without a half-assed hack that required a reboot to work and would break as soon as any sort of video was played.requiem_for_a_starfury said:
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
i have an 8800 and i have none of the problems you are talking about leon, and i use a nforce mobo as well.
just like bugs in games, not everyone has the same problems as you do
i havent got any problems when i try to play BG 2. i havent tried PST or any of the fallouts on my new vid card though, but the only problems i have ever had were in fallouts where the skill/dex button would go missing.
just like bugs in games, not everyone has the same problems as you do
i havent got any problems when i try to play BG 2. i havent tried PST or any of the fallouts on my new vid card though, but the only problems i have ever had were in fallouts where the skill/dex button would go missing.
It's a somewhat well-known problem, Wes. It can be "solved" by turning off DirectDraw acceleration, but that really shouldn't have to be necessary in the first place, or by changing a few in-game settings that make the game run like crap. Correctly, but like crap.
I had the same problem across three different motherboard chipsets and across XP, Vista, and 7, right up until I replaced the 8800 GTS with an HD 4850.
I had the same problem across three different motherboard chipsets and across XP, Vista, and 7, right up until I replaced the 8800 GTS with an HD 4850.
sickfuck_diablo
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I'm doing this next January too. (Birthday present for myself.)
Luckily I have a few friends really into PCs that are going to help me figure out the best to get, or troubleshoot, since I am completely behind on the scene, having switched to Mac for school and design work. (The last PC I had died in early 2002.)
My price range is up to and around 900. But I could be completely delusional. I don't really care about having the absolute best shit, I just want it to be current and upgradable for at least a few years.
I'll be using this primarily for gaming, 3d modeling, and I want to get into modding.
So if anyone has any tips or links to helpful guides, that would be amazing. Or just general advice on newbie mistakes when putting this thing together.
Luckily I have a few friends really into PCs that are going to help me figure out the best to get, or troubleshoot, since I am completely behind on the scene, having switched to Mac for school and design work. (The last PC I had died in early 2002.)
My price range is up to and around 900. But I could be completely delusional. I don't really care about having the absolute best shit, I just want it to be current and upgradable for at least a few years.
I'll be using this primarily for gaming, 3d modeling, and I want to get into modding.
So if anyone has any tips or links to helpful guides, that would be amazing. Or just general advice on newbie mistakes when putting this thing together.
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah !
You must be talking about the situation the way it was two years ago.
ATI has been regularly taking the leader position since.
From September 2008 do January 2009, ATI has been leading on the high-end market.
From june of this year, ATI has the most performant mono-gpu cards.
To make things worse, the 5xxx DX11 cards have now been released, and the advance of AMD is large.
To give an order of scale, a mono-gpu ATI card is now more efficient than the best double-gpu Nvidia card.
Really, stop relying on rumors and get some facts straight.
Do you realize that post was made at least 100 years ago?
