Bush takes double digit lead

Yeah that's great Ozrat, and the pot laws are tempting too.

But remember I'm at Penn State; 20,000 coeds can't go wrong!

And speaking of TAs, I'm TAing 200 cell bio this semester, and already have kids at my office door begging to switch to my 'English-speaking' section. so sad so sad. :?
 
So SMART is what it is. I swear Yoda is a TA here.

Besides, that's about the same size is McMaster...

WTF ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!
 
41,000 total, half women. Just to clarify. :)

And meh, to move now would be complicated. I already have a thesis lab, friends, a lease and roots in PA. Besides, its warmer here than Canada, regardless of the horseshoes.
 
update on the polls, for Truthout, a liberal group, but based on some fair pollsters.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/090804W.shtml

The Polls Come Back to Earth
t r u t h o u t | Staff Report

Tuesday 07 September 2004

It has been a wild week for numbers. Immediately after the Republican Convention, Time and Newsweek released poll numbers indicating a significant bounce for George W. Bush, and an 11 point lead over John Kerry. A few days go by, however, and the air appears to have been let out of the tires.

The new Rasmussen poll has the two Presidential candidates tied 47.3% to 47.3%. This leads to an inescapable conclusion: If all these numbers are correct - Time, Newsweek and Rasmussen - then Mr. Bush has suffered an historic cratering in his poll numbers within 100 hours of the close of his party's convention.

But perhaps the ballyhooed post-convention lead enjoyed by Bush never existed at all. Pollster John Zogby says, "I have Mr. Bush leading by 2 points in the simple head-to-head match up - 46% to 44%. Add in the other minor candidates and it becomes a 3 point advantage for the President - 46% to 43%...it simply is not an 11 point race. It just isn't."

It should be noted that Rasmussen provided the core data for both the TIME and Newsweek polls. Their independent interpretation of the very same data produced dramatically different conclusions than those reached by TIME and Newsweek.

The 'Bush bounce' after the convention has either disappeared completely, or never existed at all. Neither bodes well for the incumbent. Gallup, which has on many occasions appeared to be working as a PR arm of the Bush election campaign, paints an interesting political perspective: "Bush's two-point convention bounce is one of the smallest registered in Gallup polling history, along with Hubert Humphrey's two-point bounce following the 1968 Democratic convention, George McGovern's zero-point bounce following the 1972 Democratic convention, and Kerry's "negative bounce" of one point among registered voters earlier this year. Bush's bounce is the smallest an incumbent president has received."
 
Wow Welsh--I hadn't read that. And the campaign gets interesting once again...

Murdoch--PSU is great--my sister goes there. Hell of a winter, though.
 
perfectdark28 said:
Wow Welsh--I hadn't read that. And the campaign gets interesting once again...

Murdoch--PSU is great--my sister goes there. Hell of a winter, though.

pfff, I'm from Minnesota. Compared to that, this is heaven!
 
welsh said:
Truthout, a liberal group

bwahahahahahha

kinda infantile humor, but roughly translated Truthout would be something like BitchWood... nice party names you boys got overthere.
 
The Economist posted this before the Convention, and it's a fairly conservative view on the Bush presidency.

From the campaign, the Bush folks seem to do little but say-
(1) If you don't vote for us, you will have to deal with another terror attack (although Cheney said that another terrorist attack was inevitable)
(2) Kerry sucks.

Why isn't the Bush team campaigning on all it's other accomplishments for making this country a better place? What about Bush's other accomplishments?

Maybe because there are so few that all he has left is attack ads?

The Bush presidency

Je ne regrette rien

Aug 26th 2004
From The Economist print edition


After a tumultuous first term, George Bush has much to be proud of—and much to reconsider
AP

FOUR years ago, George Bush presented himself at the Republican convention in Philadelphia as a “compassionate conservative”. After the dramas and division of the Clinton years, the Texan dynast, backed by reliable old hands such as his running-mate, Dick Cheney, would provide a more modest, grown-up approach. Abroad, Mr Bush promised a humble but strong foreign policy. At home, there would be a big tax cut, affordable thanks to the large budget surplus—and, unusually for a Republican, Mr Bush talked a lot about social issues such as education. After two Republican conventions with the Christian right in full cry, he softened the party's stance on social issues at Philadelphia, and gave a hearing to homosexuals and minorities. This prospect of a moderate presidency was further advanced, or so it seemed, by the narrowness of his election victory: having won fewer votes overall than Al Gore, Mr Bush promised to be a president for all Americans.

Now Mr Bush approaches next week's convention in New York a very different figure. The “accidental presidency” has become a transformative one (see article). The divisions within America are much greater than they were under Bill Clinton. Our YouGov poll this week shows that, although 86% of Republicans approve of what their president is doing, a mere 8% of Democrats do. Abroad, the “polarisation” is less evident only because so few Europeans are prepared to take the side of the smirking “Toxic Texan”. Those “safe hands” advertised at Philadelphia four years ago—men such as Mr Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld—are now more often cast as ideological revolutionaries, often fiendish ones.

There is exaggeration in this, and often crass anti-Americanism (more on that later). But the vitriol and adoration that Mr Bush inspires both stem in part from the policies he has chosen. It is not just a matter of waging the most controversial war since Vietnam and dramatically increasing the size of government. Name your subject, from education and health care to missile defence, AIDS policy, gay marriage, stem cells and civil rights, and this presidency has sought radical change.

Promises, promises
Radicalism can be good—but Mr Bush's brand has turned a compassionate conservative into a contradictory one. What is conservative about allowing government to grow faster than under Mr Clinton? What is humble about announcing that you are trying to introduce democracy to the Middle East? Where is the compassion in his support for a federal ban on gay marriage, the limitations on stem-cell research or his other moves to accommodate the zealots of the Christian right?

In a race where Mr Kerry now seems to be the narrow favourite, the president is going to Madison Square Garden promising, in large part, more of the same. Yes, there will be an attempt to reach out to independent voters: moderates such as Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rudy Giuliani have been given prominent speaking slots. But Mr Bush is undaunted. His message is that America should stick with a man who faced hard choices and took the right decisions. Il ne regrette rien.

For this newspaper, that verdict looks mostly right for Mr Bush's foreign policy. The charge that he set off in a needlessly unilateralist direction on taking office is vastly overdone; he sought allies throughout; and in many ways his forthright style was a breath of fresh air after the muddle and evasions of the Clinton era. Yes, he dropped out of the Kyoto Protocol in a tactless way; but that was a bad treaty which America was never going to accept in any case (the Senate voted against it by a margin of 95-0). Mr Bush upset many people by ripping apart the outdated anti-ballistic-missile defence treaty with Russia—then baffled his critics by getting both Russia and (more hesitantly) China to go along with him.

But it was the thunderbolt of September 11th that counted most. Those atrocities set the course for the remainder of his presidency. Since then, we continue to think that Mr Bush has got the big foreign-policy decisions right. He understood the nature of the war that had been declared against America and the western world. He made it clear that it is not a war between civilisations, let alone religions; but he has also served notice to Arab regimes of the need to change. He rightly decided to destroy al-Qaeda's home in Afghanistan—and, yes, on the evidence that presented itself at the time, he rightly decided to invade Iraq.

Could France be mistaken?
Many of these decisions were bound to be unpopular with his allies. That does not make them wrong. Nor does it justify the anti-Americanism that many politicians have recklessly tried to stir up, particularly over Iraq. Some Bush-bashing foreign governments seem to hope that Mr Kerry will adopt a different set of priorities. Tellingly, he has stuck pretty close to Mr Bush.

To be sure, the president has got some things wrong in foreign policy. He did not outright lie about Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction, but he misled the country about what was known and not known. His administration exaggerated the case for invading Iraq in another way too, by falsely linking Saddam Hussein to al-Qaeda. Elsewhere, his failures have mainly been errors of execution.

He called for the establishment of a Palestinian state, but did little to support it. In Iraq, he destroyed a dangerous and odious tyrant, but lamentably failed to prepare for rebuilding the country after fighting what was, whatever Mr Bush says, a war of choice. And, in a conflict where hearts and minds count for so much and where America's reputation has been so badly wounded, the president was unwilling to acknowledge the gravity of the abuses at Abu Ghraib. That calamity warranted the resignation of Mr Rumsfeld. (The fact that a commission this week cleared him of direct responsibility for the torture is beside the point. He was the man in charge.)

The “accidental presidency” has become a transformative one

Effective execution is partly a matter of experience. There are signs, including in Iraq, that the Bush administration has learned from its mistakes. The Economist's bigger disagreements with Mr Bush lie beyond the war on terror, in areas where Mr Bush's very aims are questionable or worse.

This president, despite impassioned avowals to the contrary, has been no champion of open international markets. He caved in to protectionist pressures and imposed tariffs on steel; he also signed an absurdly bad farm bill. His fiscal policy is nothing to boast about either. Here Mr Bush can plead with some justification that, as with foreign policy, he was ambushed by events: yes, he inherited a Clintonian budget surplus, but he also had to deal with the burst Clintonian bubble. A big swing into deficit was needed, he would argue, to avoid a much worse recession. Up to a point, Mr President. Unfortunately, the Bush deficits are not temporary. They stretch into the distance: the ten-year deficit is projected at $2.7 trillion, even after a lot of dodgy accounting. He cut taxes in the best conservative tradition, but spent vastly more as well. Mr Bush is a conservative who believes in big government.

This failure to curb public spending is all the more alarming because the next president will have to prepare America for the retirement of the huge baby-boomer generation. Four years ago, Mr Bush talked, albeit tentatively, about partly privatising the pensions system; almost nothing has been done. And he has made the fiscal burden of entitlement worse by increasing the prescription-drug benefit in the Medicare system—again without undertaking meaningful reform.

The other problem is social policy. The American conservative movement has always been a marriage between “western” anti-governmentalism and “southern” moralism. Four years ago, Mr Bush made no secret of his own religious beliefs, but he gave the impression he would hold the often intolerant religious right in check. Instead, he has given it a big role in his administration on a host of issues. No doubt Mr Bush's convictions are sincere; but they were not to the fore in 2000 and they are not shared by many of those who supported him then, nor by this newspaper.

Tumultuous though it has been, and despite the passions it arouses, Mr Bush's first term should in the end be judged in the same measured way as most previous ones. It is a mixed bag: successes and failures must be set beside each other. And deciding whether Mr Bush deserves a second term calls for more than an appraisal of his own record: the American people will have to judge whether Mr Kerry, another mixture of good and bad, represents a better choice. At his convention in Boston, Mr Kerry made an effort to cast the Democratic Party in a new light. Mr Bush needs to attempt something similar in New York. More of the same just will not do.

Perhaps a republican defeat would be good for the party in the long-haul. It's not a coincidence that it had moderate speakers on a conservative platform. Look at McCain at the Bush rallies, and the guy looks embarrassed and speaks against the Swift boat guys and the attack ads.

If the Republicans were to be defeated this year, it would perhaps mean that the conservative bent to the republican party has lost legitimacy and support from party faithful. That won't happen until Kerry goes after the Republicans on their record.

The republican campaign is playing with an interesting strategy- attack the opposition's strength and deligitimize it, in any way. So it's a smear campaign against Kerry's war record. I would suggest the democrats begin taking apart Bush's own record, perhaps were it hurts the most- where it looks strongest.
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A) Ultracons are on they're way out anyway. Post-Buchanan Republicans are, well, fading away. There's no reason to belive that if Bush won this would not continue to happen
B)Because Bush knows that the focus is the war on terror.
C) I'd say the Democratic Party's more likely to go apeshit if Kerry looses then the Republicans loosing they're ultracons if Bush looses. Dean was the opening salvo, we could be about to go into the biggest gheyification of the Demcoratic Party sense Vietnam.
 
Well if Kerry loses, I think the big push will be Hillary Clinton in 2008- something I am afraid of. Thank God it won't be Dubbaya. v. Hillary or I'd have to vote Nader. I think Dead is far to left for most Democrats, and perhaps Miller's speech is partially a reminder to democrats that there are lots of democrat conservatives out there, just as there are republican liberals.

And don't forget, Bush was seen as a moderate republican in the last election, and then showed himself to be a conservative after he was elected. Likely to happen again this time.

As for Buchanan- lately he's had some interesting things to say and has been pretty critical of Bush-
(1) The war against Iraq was a mistake- Iraq was not a real threat to the US and didn't have a connection to terrorism
(2) Outsourcing of jobs is dangerous to the American economy
(3) Bush is making to much big government, when actually it was Clinton that shrank the government down.

He used to be good on CNN's cross-fire, but the whole racist things got him- perhaps something that was overdone for political reasons.

As for Bush's war against terror- if it's the main focus than he's doing a shit job of it. Iraq has become the poster for al-qaeda recruiters and Afghanistan has been a sideshow that is getting out of control. Even if there are elections, the warlords have put up their own candidate in opposition to Karzai, and the Taliban is more active than at any time since the US invasion. With bombings in Kabual, the US isn't even in full control of the capital. Perhaps instead of wasting money and attention in Iraq, we should have finished the job in Afghanistan first. Afterall, those are the guys that hit us on 9-11, not the Iraqis.

ALso, for poll results- check
http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/youGovJ.pdf

This is being updated weekly.
 
Or not Welsh. Looks like we're watching the Kerry campaign implode.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...llup-poll_x.htm

Bush clear leader in poll
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — President Bush has surged to a 13-point lead over Sen. John Kerry among likely voters, a new Gallup Poll shows. The 55%-42% match-up is the first statistically significant edge either candidate has held this year. (Related item: Poll results)

The boost President Bush received from the Republican convention has increased.
By Jim Mone, AP

Among registered voters, Bush is ahead 52%-44%.

The boost Bush received from the Republican convention has increased rather than dissipated, reshaping a race that for months has been nearly tied. Kerry is facing warnings from Democrats that his campaign is seriously off-track.

With 46 days until the election, analysts say the proposed presidential debates offer Kerry his best chance to change the race.

"It doesn't look like the new consultants and strategies of attacks are the right ones" for Kerry, says Matthew Dowd, chief strategist for the Bush campaign. Kerry in recent weeks added veterans of the Clinton White House to his team and began criticizing Bush more sharply on Iraq and other issues.

Dowd says Kerry at this point would "have to defy history" to defeat a sitting president.

"We have seen some bouncing around in the numbers," says Mike McCurry, a top Kerry adviser, "but it is our sense that the race is moving back to a much closer race."

A Pew Research Center poll released Thursday shows a tighter contest. The survey, taken Saturday through Tuesday, gives Bush a statistically insignificant lead of 47%-46% among likely voters.

The Gallup Poll was taken Monday through Wednesday.

Presidential candidates have won after trailing by similar margins. One was George W. Bush himself. In 2000, he was behind Al Gore by 10 points among registered voters in early October and then prevailed in the Electoral College, though he lost the popular vote.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan was down 8 points in the Gallup Poll in late October but won in a landslide after doing well in the only debate held with President Carter.

"Sen. Kerry is like Seabiscuit: He runs better from behind," says Donna Brazile, who was Gore's campaign manager. But she acknowledges that "backbenchers" in the Democratic Party "have begun pushing the panic button."
 
What the hell do we have polls for anyways? Don't they affect the election results more negatively than positively? Do they lead people to conform to either side or to make rash decisions?

I never did understand why they're "important".
 
People often favor polls.

If Bush is behind, for instance, Bush supporters have an incentive to mobilize and "get out the vote."

Likewise if Kerry is in the lead, a lot of undecideds might vote for Kerry out of peer pressure.

Though polls are often wrong, they can matter a lot.

LEt's say I'm a businessman and I know that Bush's policies are going to fuck me in the ass. I know that Bush is winning and that he has a lot of money to do negative ads. Given that I might figure that I better invest in Kerry because I might help in change the outcome of the election. However, if I knew that Kerry was winning, I might decide not to contribute.

That kind of thing.
 
I really really hope that Bush won't be elected:
- he has attacked Iraq (drew more attention at it and raised the chance of terrorist attacks on US and some European countries), and he did that without a reason
- he didn't react to North Korea because there was no oil there that Chevron-Texaco could take over
- The Pentagon Attack in my opinion was a hoax, and I'm not sure about the whole 9-11 (before you flame me find a photo of just attacked pentagon with smoke and stuff. Now remember that the pentagon outer wall is 921.6feet long, and a B757 is 47,32m or 155feet long,13,56m or 44,5feet high with 38,04m or 124,8 feet wingspan. try to imagine a plane with that dimensions hitting the pentagon wall with high speed at low altitude and not even damaging the lawn and let's say that the pilots were inexperienced arabs that have onl tried some flying with MS Flight Sim. And airliners don't vaporise in temperatures that allow to identify most of the passengers by DNA from unshielded organic tissue.)



As with everything you can find more info on the net, you'll find both rational explanations of the probable hoax as well as evidence that paranoia and spiritual fanatism are a common thing.

====EDIT====
Here's a nice game of Q&A :) just follow the link "Pentagon:Hunt the Boeing" in the second paragraph: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm
 
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