Re: the voice acting. I think its quite reasonable for voices to be duplicated. This is a big game, with alot of variables and alot of NPCs. Now I do understand why it grates with people - bit of an immersion killer but I can't think of an RPG on a similar scale with an individual voice for every NPC. Every game has a budget (Even a Beth game as big as it surely will be). To record different voices for everybody is alot of studio time. Alot of the time I think that people believe that we live in a time of gaming where the money is endless and pristine products should be delivered to the public par for the course. Not so. All games have deadlines and budgets to meet. Cuts have to made somewhere. As long as the primary NPCs sound reasonably different then I think it is, for now, acceptable.
But was the spirit preserved?
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Oh yea, animations suck too, thanks for reminder!
I got into one combat, and I swear to god, it reminded me of a Halo multiplayer fight. Bouncing all over the place.
I got into one combat, and I swear to god, it reminded me of a Halo multiplayer fight. Bouncing all over the place.
I think squinty, the problem for some isn't so much they sound the same but the delivery of all the NPC's lines tend to be similar if not identical. So for instance have talented voice actors in the first place that can create realistic, rather than identical, voices.
For me it wasn't a big deal and having this game on the 360 I'm used to far worse, like Gears of War or *sigh*, the Halo franchise, where you can laugh through it. Does it reach Bioshock standards? No. But I do not allow it to ruin what I think is a really worth while experience.
For me it wasn't a big deal and having this game on the 360 I'm used to far worse, like Gears of War or *sigh*, the Halo franchise, where you can laugh through it. Does it reach Bioshock standards? No. But I do not allow it to ruin what I think is a really worth while experience.
Agreed. The 3rd person angle is...well....pointless. Beth should've just had the conviction tostick to their FPS guns and done away with it. I suppose it is part of the engine. Poss an over the shoulder cam which is recently popular (GOW, Deadspace, etc.) wouldve been a better choice. The engine really does need improvements in showing feet actually touching the ground rather than sliding along it. Oh and jumping? Yeah the worst animation ever. It wouldnt be so bad but the game worlds Beth design do require alot of rock climbi.......jumping 
That said its something that could be tarted up with little fuss.
That said its something that could be tarted up with little fuss.
squinty said:
exactly, which is why this is not a reason to throw away the game. It could be better but it is not a hinderance.
The witcher did have good voice acting...but that game was not without its flaws either. Bethesda did a ... wholesome, I'm calling it a wholesome job with its voice acting. Just good enough to fill the stomach but not good enough to make you, you know, go out and yell its wonder along the rooftops.
Not played The Witcher, so will take your word for it. The thread was about 'the spirit' of Fallout. The elements that we are presently discussing are niggles and annoyances (that for me don't spoil the game beyond playability). I think that the atmosphere has been carried through very well. Its a joy to play. I know that many think that Beth don't listen but I think that parts of this game prove that they do. Fallout 4? I think a little more time spent on the engine and quest construction and the series is in good hands. Christ I was pro FO3 but by the time I started it I expected the worst (too much time spent on here I think!). I didnt really enjoy my first hour. But the addiction kicked in. The inventory management bug bit. The desire to explore took over. The creepy uncertain atmosphere hit home and well........I was having fun. Thats what I remember about the old games so the new one has done the job.
I tend to look at Fallout 3 as the beginning of a new series entirely. The game rocks! Its fun 
I like how it borrows a lot from the earlier games and builds a decent premise for the next game in the series. Since Fallout 4 is already in the works I look at Fallout 3 as a introduction to the basics of whats to come. After all this is Baths first time to the series and the next will be even better I'm sure.
Thats not even taking into consideration how many mods are coming for this game and expansions. Eventually, say a year down the road, I see this game being extremely rich and deep compared to how it is now.
What I love about the game is how I can wander around, enjoy my life of solitude and unwind after years of mmorpgs. Loneliness has some serious advantages!
The only I miss a great deal from the original games is the variety of weapons
MORE PLEASE!!!
I like how it borrows a lot from the earlier games and builds a decent premise for the next game in the series. Since Fallout 4 is already in the works I look at Fallout 3 as a introduction to the basics of whats to come. After all this is Baths first time to the series and the next will be even better I'm sure.
Thats not even taking into consideration how many mods are coming for this game and expansions. Eventually, say a year down the road, I see this game being extremely rich and deep compared to how it is now.
What I love about the game is how I can wander around, enjoy my life of solitude and unwind after years of mmorpgs. Loneliness has some serious advantages!
The only I miss a great deal from the original games is the variety of weapons
MORE PLEASE!!!
UniversalWolf
eaten by a grue.
Jahnri said:I tend to look at Fallout 3 as the beginning of a new series entirely. The game rocks! Its fun
Cool! Too bad Bethesda had to annihilate the future of the original series to create this new one.
A game you like exists at the expense of a game I like.
reticulate
First time out of the vault
qi said:
Wow, you're officially an asshole.
Some of the other guys here, I'd have a beer with, even if I disagreed with everything they said.
You, I think, wouldn't drink beer.
Ihniwid said:
He said so many things, about Fallout 3 which turned out to be wrong, like:
1. He said there's gonna be 200 endings, but we don't even have 10.
2. That we can finish the game without killing anyone.
3. The world in FO3 is cruel and harsh- can't see that one in FO3.
Probably others would point out other examples.
And for that TES and Fallout thing...well, let me explain it to you.
Fallout 3 has just Fallout's body (the look and the name), but its spirit (gameplay, design, its personality, its way of thinking and speaking) is The Elder Scroll's' spirit.
Better like 1% better, you mean.
reticulate said:
Lol, amen. I'd have a beer anytime... but I doubt we live anywhere close, heh.
Public said:
Your third example is subjective mate, I totally see it at cruel. It would've been a whole lot meaner if we were allowed tokill kids and god knows what else the board made Todd take out. The other two, I don't recall him saying those things. And don't you remember Mass Effect, they completely changed half the game mechanics before it was released.
Public said:
No, no. Like 35-50% better. There is SOME interaction with the environment. But regardless just play it in 1st person. Third just allows you to see some of the cool armor.
I consider Fallout 1 and 2 being more cruel and harsh than FO3 (much, much more). Maybe you don't see good?
I don't see much improvements in characters expresions. Even in Fallout 2 animations for face expressions were better (for example The First Citizen of Vault City- she's a bitch and you notice that from the way she looks at you).
And I'm not talking about improvements in graphics, but in characters' animations.
Lol, Public if you see it as cruel then fine, but I see very well and having played all three Fallout games I'm sure we can agree that Fallout 3 is at least, in its own way, "harsh". The laws and regulations towards video games now compared to then are far stricter. They had the intention, if you read early articles, to make it extremely twisted, but the games board debunked them pretty fast.
I was talking more of the characters relationship with the ground. But as far as facial animations, yeah they aren't so great. But, again, I do not see why that makes the spirit of the games hard to swallow. It's no reason to dislike any game, in my opinion.
Public said:
I was talking more of the characters relationship with the ground. But as far as facial animations, yeah they aren't so great. But, again, I do not see why that makes the spirit of the games hard to swallow. It's no reason to dislike any game, in my opinion.
frosty_theaussie
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Ihniwid said:
Oh please tell me you are joking. The only person who made Todd Howard exclude that was Todd Howard and possibly the suits at Zenimax who wanted to see a highly impressive return on their investment.
DOF_power said:
Ehhh you must have gotten what I said wrong. Fallout 3 is selling, yes. Meaning if it had an adult rating (18+ only) rather than the mature rating the ESRB puts out, knows as "M", it would've negated a lot of sales.
I'm saying they couldn't add certain things because of the bad press it creates. Anyone remember the FOX News issue when Mass Effect showed a little bum? They went nutso "your child will have sex in a videogame" and so on.