How the fuck did this kid become an olderite?!
Can a bad game be a good thing?
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How the fuck did this kid become an olderite?!
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
He was drafted.
Morgan_
Duckerz
Slaughter Manslaught
Vault Senior Citizen
Honestly, for all the Van Buren hype, I think it would have suffered from a problem which struck Arcanum, Fallout Tactics and X-COM Apocalypse: Trying to mesh Real-Time and Turn-Based Combat in one game to please everyone, both the hardcore crowd and the casuals. It was an attempt to innovate and experiment of course, but like most typical "two in one" solutions, it always ends with neither being as good as it could be.
The games I listed are all good, but they all showed that this is a bad idea.
Honestly, I don't think the early 2000s were a good time for a project like Van Buren. The 2010s and 2020s are actually waaay more friendly to ISO-TB games, and I think it started with Firaxis' XCOM: Enemy Unknown - I'm actually not a fan of the remake.
I remember that time, I was there. The early age of 3D was a dumb ass age. It was all shooters shooters shooters consoles consoles consoles. Halo CE* opened the door to the console shooter - previously not taken seriously by anyone, really (lmao playing a shooter on console).
I remember talk that "PC Gaming is dead" back when. It was dumb ass talk, but the mere fact it was talked, was definitively a sign of something. Steam was barely a thing back when, GoG came a bit later, a lot of excuses for neglecting PC were piracy. A lot of old games were practically relics you found after hours of scavenging across obscure sites and shady-ass P2P platforms of the time.
My first copy of Fallout Tactics were three CDs burn by a dearly departed friend in Rio de Janeiro and sent by mail, and that was AFTER the Brazilian Fallout Forum Vault BR had done an entire mail chain involving distributing Fallout Tactics CDs to each other. And I got Age of Wonders through days of downloading on Kazaa, I think - and that was after I found another link, because the first stopped at 98%.
Multi-Plataform games often released with a shitty pc port. Nowadays, the PC scene is stronger than ever.
I still think Black Isle would have given up the ghost and Van Buren would just be its last game. That said, if Van Buren was a success, a lot of things might change - like how much value the Fallout license has, and who brought it. If I remember right, it was a toss-up between Bethesda, Obsidian and Troika. Fallout ending with Obsidian or Troika seem like interesting scenarios to consider.
*a pretty nifty shooter which I liked, but for PC standards of the time it was nothing special. From what I heard, it was revolutionary for consoles at the time.
Doesn't work, the controls on console don't lend well to Fallout-style isometric games. Then again, there have been releases of that sort of game, but I never played it.
Has someone here played Wasteland 2 on console?
The games I listed are all good, but they all showed that this is a bad idea.
Honestly, I don't think the early 2000s were a good time for a project like Van Buren. The 2010s and 2020s are actually waaay more friendly to ISO-TB games, and I think it started with Firaxis' XCOM: Enemy Unknown - I'm actually not a fan of the remake.
I remember that time, I was there. The early age of 3D was a dumb ass age. It was all shooters shooters shooters consoles consoles consoles. Halo CE* opened the door to the console shooter - previously not taken seriously by anyone, really (lmao playing a shooter on console).
I remember talk that "PC Gaming is dead" back when. It was dumb ass talk, but the mere fact it was talked, was definitively a sign of something. Steam was barely a thing back when, GoG came a bit later, a lot of excuses for neglecting PC were piracy. A lot of old games were practically relics you found after hours of scavenging across obscure sites and shady-ass P2P platforms of the time.
My first copy of Fallout Tactics were three CDs burn by a dearly departed friend in Rio de Janeiro and sent by mail, and that was AFTER the Brazilian Fallout Forum Vault BR had done an entire mail chain involving distributing Fallout Tactics CDs to each other. And I got Age of Wonders through days of downloading on Kazaa, I think - and that was after I found another link, because the first stopped at 98%.
Multi-Plataform games often released with a shitty pc port. Nowadays, the PC scene is stronger than ever.
I still think Black Isle would have given up the ghost and Van Buren would just be its last game. That said, if Van Buren was a success, a lot of things might change - like how much value the Fallout license has, and who brought it. If I remember right, it was a toss-up between Bethesda, Obsidian and Troika. Fallout ending with Obsidian or Troika seem like interesting scenarios to consider.
*a pretty nifty shooter which I liked, but for PC standards of the time it was nothing special. From what I heard, it was revolutionary for consoles at the time.
Doesn't work, the controls on console don't lend well to Fallout-style isometric games. Then again, there have been releases of that sort of game, but I never played it.
Has someone here played Wasteland 2 on console?
Iprovidelittlepianos
Vault Senior Citizen
I don’t think that would’ve made a difference. Bethesda has always been wealthier than Obsidian and Troika, so increasing the value of the fallout license would’ve just priced those two out.
Slaughter Manslaught
Vault Senior Citizen
Possibly, but butterfly effect and all that.
The ultimate nightmare scenario is Activision or EA scooping out Fallout. Way worse than Bethesda.
Another possibility is Interplay keeping the license, but having no capital to develop any games, so they pretty much allow another studio to make the game in exchange for publishing rights or something like that - wans't Interplay a publisher as well?