Can't find the boy I'm supposed to get the wrench from

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WWYJ

First time out of the vault
This might be a bug... i've read walkthroughs and i know where he's supposed to be, but he simply isnt there. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Or any other way to get a wrench? And where am i supposed to get pliers?
 
You've got the UK version, probably. Download the children-patch to bring kids into the game.

Or if you don't wanna do that, there's a wrench at Navarra.
 
Oh... thats true, i haven't seen a single child so far... How very odd. Can i continue the same save game after downloading the children patch?
 
Yeah, there shouldn't be a problem. All the children patch does is add the FRMs (in game image files) that were missing from the UK version.
 
This children-free game that you've been playing would also explain why you may or may not have been seeing floating texts without any beings to accompany them.
 
Jebus said:
Or if you don't wanna do that, there's a wrench at Navarra.
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And theres one in a locker in redding.. problem solved. Also got the children patch, but the kid in the courtyard of vault city AND his family are all gone.
 
WWYJ? "Who Would Yahwey Jew"?

If your still having trouble with the patched version i'd just use the workarounds already suggested....
 
WWYJ said:
Also got the children patch, but the kid in the courtyard of vault city AND his family are all gone.
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After you get Joshua out of "jail", they figure there's no reason to stick around in VC any more.
 
Fallout 2 1.02 - Missing NPC, quest item

I'm running Fallout 2 for Windows, 1.02 official patch, no mods.

Curtis simply does not exist in Vault City, so I can't get the wrench!

I've searched everywhere in the courtyard, inner city, etc. and I've done everything to try to get him to appear such as leaving town and coming back. I'm sure I"m not just missing him because I've tried spotting outlines by pulling a weapon. I'm sure I didn't scare him away because I've never saved after pulling a weapon in the courtyard.

A lovely bug, seeing as how I've already spent quite a bit of time playing the game only to get stuck here. Can someone at least point me to a savegame editor that will let me add items so I can give myself the wrench? Thanks.
 
There's a wrench in the vault in Vault City, IIRC.
And maybe you're playing a no kids-version of Fallout 2? Curtis is a kid, see. You could always DL the kids patch and see if he appears. Don't know if it works if you're already playing the game, though. I usually DL the kid patch before I start playing.
 
Yes, the kid's patch works on an in-progress game as well. So go install that.
 
My reply doesnt' seem to show up, so I hope this doesn't end up as a double post...

I don't have any no-kids version of the game, I see other kids, and the family is still in Vault City. What's left? I think my problem is definitely a bug.
 
FieroGT42 said:
My reply doesnt' seem to show up, so I hope this doesn't end up as a double post...

I don't have any no-kids version of the game, I see other kids, and the family is still in Vault City. What's left? I think my problem is definitely a bug.
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I very much doubt it, since we've never, ever heard about this one before. And we know about pretty much every bug in the game.

Anyway, he's south of the bar. Did you previously already give him the doll? If so, there's a possibility he's already gone away and told you about the wrench without you noticing. If so, try clicking on every rock nearby.
 
I very much doubt it, since we've never, ever heard about this one before. And we know about pretty much every bug in the game.
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Well, I don't like to say this bug your doubts are incorrect. One can't say a bug doesn't exist just because nobody has identified it before. And it's definitely a bug, otherwise it's a one-time event caused by something as bizarre as a single or group of bits flipped by a cosmic ray collision (and yes, this DOES happen, all the time actually). I feel a bit insulted, not because my opinion was disregarded, but because it was disregarded after I stated that I didn't have any of the aforementioned bugs.

Anyway, he's south of the bar. Did you previously already give him the doll? If so, there's a possibility he's already gone away and told you about the wrench without you noticing. If so, try clicking on every rock nearby.
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I still have the doll, never gave it to him, searched every hex in the map for him and the wrench, and searching other objects for the wrench would probably never help anyway because that's not the way the programmers wrote it. I doubt the wrench could have been moved by an NPC, because the rocks seem like a trigger for a scripted event rather than a container holding the wrench. I actually exhausted all possibilities before ever making a post.

Silencer: Yes I did use the search function first. I found this thread and decided to post elsewhere because I definitely do not have one of the issues already discussed. I have no problem with merging though, because they're all potential causes of similar issues.

Finally, and I don't intend to brag or be rude or arrogant, but I hope you will trust my judgement, because I think I know a bug when I see one because: I have been a programmer/IT systems analyst for many years, involved in development ranging from initial client interview and feasability studies to actual coding. I've coded on OS's e.g. DOS, Windows, Linux, UNIX, IBM MVS, and everything in between. I have used languages from script kiddy Visual Basic, to Java, C, C++, to Pascal, COBOL, CICS, JCL, Assembly, and even hand-written machine code and memory values tracked on paper without touching a computer. I'm the owner and CTO of a small company, I've written programs that corporations have asked to purchase, and I personally coded the first popup blocker (worked for webpages as well as any program denial). Too bad I didn't market it, just because at the time popups were virtually unheard-of. ;) Again, no offense intended, I'm just giving some background facts to explain why my opinion should mean a little something.

It's a pretty old game now anyway, but If anyone is interested in resolving this bug I could see if I still have the save file somewhere. Something interesting might be going on with it, as I found a few other bugs I haven't seen discussed before. I may have overwritten that slot though.

Have a nice day. Don't get bitten by the no-NPC bug. It has very pointy teeth. :) -JP
 
FieroGT42 said:
Well, I don't like to say this bug your doubts are incorrect. One can't say a bug doesn't exist just because nobody has identified it before. And it's definitely a bug, otherwise it's a one-time event caused by something as bizarre as a single or group of bits flipped by a cosmic ray collision (and yes, this DOES happen, all the time actually). I feel a bit insulted, not because my opinion was disregarded, but because it was disregarded after I stated that I didn't have any of the aforementioned bugs.
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No, you're actually insulting the developers here by suggesting it's a bug. Really.
You know why? Because you're saying that, based on a single, unreproducable anomaly in a single instance of a game, you encountered something odd and that that is hence a bug. This means that you immediately assume that the developers made some kind of programming error for you to have this result.
Instead, since we've never, ever heard of it (and we've heard about a *lot* of bugs) over the span of 8 years, it's a lot more likely that it isn't an actual bug, but more a problem with your individual game.

I still have the doll, never gave it to him, searched every hex in the map for him and the wrench, and searching other objects for the wrench would probably never help anyway because that's not the way the programmers wrote it. I doubt the wrench could have been moved by an NPC, because the rocks seem like a trigger for a scripted event rather than a container holding the wrench. I actually exhausted all possibilities before ever making a post.
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Okay. Since you still have the doll, you indeed can't have given it to him.
Hrm. Could you try installing the kids patch just to be sure? It can't hurt the installation, since it just adds sprites that should already be present.

Other than that, I really can't think of a thing that could've gone wrong.
Finally, and I don't intend to brag or be rude or arrogant, but I hope you will trust my judgement, because I think I know a bug when I see one because: I have been a programmer/IT systems analyst for many years, involved in development ranging from initial client interview and feasability studies to actual coding. I've coded on OS's e.g. DOS, Windows, Linux, UNIX, IBM MVS, and everything in between. I have used languages from script kiddy Visual Basic, to Java, C, C++, to Pascal, COBOL, CICS, JCL, Assembly, and even hand-written machine code and memory values tracked on paper without touching a computer. I'm the owner and CTO of a small company, I've written programs that corporations have asked to purchase, and I personally coded the first popup blocker (worked for webpages as well as any program denial). Too bad I didn't market it, just because at the time popups were virtually unheard-of. ;) Again, no offense intended, I'm just giving some background facts to explain why my opinion should mean a little something.
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Then you should be doubly aware that a single instance does not make a bug. Really.

See if you can reproduce it in a new game, though.

It's a pretty old game now anyway, but If anyone is interested in resolving this bug I could see if I still have the save file somewhere. Something interesting might be going on with it, as I found a few other bugs I haven't seen discussed before. I may have overwritten that slot though.

Have a nice day. Don't get bitten by the no-NPC bug. It has very pointy teeth. :) -JP
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Try mailing it to killap, he's always interested in new bugs to squash. If it is a bug. He can probably also tell you whether or not it's a bug.;)
 
FieroGT42 said:
It's a pretty old game now anyway, but If anyone is interested in resolving this bug I could see if I still have the save file somewhere. Something interesting might be going on with it, as I found a few other bugs I haven't seen discussed before.
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You can always report bugs here, and have them investigated if it's something we haven't heard of before.

Edit: anything that's worth saying is worth saying twice obviously.
 
Sander said:
Try mailing it to killap, he's always interested in new bugs to squash. If it is a bug. He can probably also tell you whether or not it's a bug.;)
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What a coincidence I stumbled upon this thread. :D

So I being the nice guy I am, I just opened up the two scripts that deal with the wrench quest and set to work to see if there is a bug...

To find the wrench you must indeed have given the doll back to curtis and wait until he talks with the doll about burying the wrench. Then you click on the rocks and you find the wrench.

Looking further in the scripts, it appears that Curtis is not on any wander timer (so he should always be standing in one place) Therefore, he will never wander off the map and we can rule that out. Quickly going through the script further, it appears that the only case that Curtis will not appear is when you have completed the Joshua quest. Are you quite certain you have done NOTHING with this quest yet?

Other than this, I have no idea what would be causing your problem nor would I have any idea on how to fix it if it was verified as indeed a bug. (and since I am pretty much the only bug fixer for Fallout 2 you will find, the chance of this ever being fixed is pretty much 0) Are you able to reproduce this bug? You can also send me the savegame file if you like and I shall take a look. Just pm me and I shall give you my address. Also, since you are infact playing Fallout 2, I do highly suggest using my unofficial patch as it fixes over 500 bugs throughout the game. :)
 
So to sum up:

1. You've patched the game
2. You've no mods installed
3. You see children in the game (e.g. Klamath, Den, Modoc...)
4. You still have the Nixon doll.
5. You have not rescued Joshua from the pri...uh, the Servant Allocation Center.
6. Joshua's wife is in her place (i.e. the tent to the east of the Courtyard)

Yet

7. Curtis isn't anywhere by the bar.
8. You can't get the wrench from the pile

I also assume that

9. You haven't given Curtis the doll and retrieved it by stealing.
10. You have not blown up or overstimed Curtis

Forgive Sander's reaction, but as you wrote Fallout isn't a new game, and discovery of a new bug is somewhat rare.

You have gotten me curious; Was that a freak bug or did you encounter it in every new game? Could you provide us with savegames (preferably one in the Courtyard and one before you even enter Vault City)?

Bear Dude is working on a Fallout 2 fan patch, i'm sure he could look into that.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12738&start=1260
 
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