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Touche bad example. Guess I had always believed for some reason it might have once been part of the soviet union.
Chechnya continued
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It was a part of the soviet union, that does not make it a part of Russia. After world war 2, all Chechens were sent into exile by Stalin and almost half of Chechen population died of hunger and desease in Kazahstan where they spent 13 years before they could come back. During those 13 years, only russians lived in chechnya. When chechens came back, many had russians or someone else living in their homes so it was more like chechnya was taken away from chechens. It was a part of USSR then. That does not make it a part of russia, it's more of an occupation. Chechnya had always been independent before. Chechens always had their own language, culture, and laws. Even when it was forcefully made a part of USSR, all of that remained. Chechens never had anything in common with russians. They were on their land as long as anyone can remember, they did not come and take it. If Germany captures Switzerland and keeps occupying it against their will I do not see the difference. It is very different from say a US state trying to break away. You are right, it was a part of soviet union but an independent country was forcefully made a part of it.
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I see your point.
Maybe my examples (those that worked) are flawed in a different sense. What I meant to say was that all borders were created either through war, after effect of war, but rarely out of diplomatic sincerity. China for example had many kingdoms, each with their own language, laws, and customs. I mean they had nothing in common with eachother besides maybe similar facial features, However a strong china would have never existed without unification through force. The Irish and the Scots also had their own method of doing things until a powerful hedgemon called England forced unification upon them.
Maybe our examples differ through time periods. Most of mine were taken from days of old. At that period of human developement, wars were a common occurence and a harsh life was commonly accepted by the populace. Also since it happened long ago, the people have since grown accustomed to living with their long ago oppresors.
Your examples are brought up with a modern sensibility in mind. Advancements in weapons, creation of the U.N., the large emergence of educated populace. All of these examples have rendered old forms of border drawing obsolete. Any un-provoked attack made against one country by another immediately falls under U.S./U.N. scruitny. Although many including me still say agree the world is a very dangerous and violent place, most of it is a far cry from what life used to be.
Maybe my examples (those that worked) are flawed in a different sense. What I meant to say was that all borders were created either through war, after effect of war, but rarely out of diplomatic sincerity. China for example had many kingdoms, each with their own language, laws, and customs. I mean they had nothing in common with eachother besides maybe similar facial features, However a strong china would have never existed without unification through force. The Irish and the Scots also had their own method of doing things until a powerful hedgemon called England forced unification upon them.
Maybe our examples differ through time periods. Most of mine were taken from days of old. At that period of human developement, wars were a common occurence and a harsh life was commonly accepted by the populace. Also since it happened long ago, the people have since grown accustomed to living with their long ago oppresors.
Your examples are brought up with a modern sensibility in mind. Advancements in weapons, creation of the U.N., the large emergence of educated populace. All of these examples have rendered old forms of border drawing obsolete. Any un-provoked attack made against one country by another immediately falls under U.S./U.N. scruitny. Although many including me still say agree the world is a very dangerous and violent place, most of it is a far cry from what life used to be.
I agree with what you said and it's a very good point. In other words, it can be said that what Russia does in Chechnya is not acceptable by modern standards; only by the standards of the times when a lot of things, which are considered crimes today, were a common occurance. Well, we live in the present time, not the past, so today I can say that Russia is committing a crime or, at least, acts against common norms. It makes me wonder what good is UN with its norms when they can be so easily ignored. I guarantee you that if Russia was a small developing country, it would be in trouble because of Chechnya. However, very few want to argue with Russia over some small Chechnya. A couple of european countries and some shy remarks from US is all there is. Looks to me that only interests of the big and rich matter to UN. Russia may not have a big budget, but it is a country others want to stay friends with for many other reasons. Proof of human rights violations are all over the internet with pictures and videos. Things I described about Budanov, Yandalo (however thats spelled), Samashki massacre are all out there. I don't even mention lesser incidents like my friend's father taken away for the background check has not been seen since; my cousin, Rizvan, disappeared and later was found shot two months ago and many many others. Although it's amazing how nobody talks about this stuff, it's impossible that UN do not know about it. Why are they surprized about chechens' hostility then? My opinion is that UN only defend interests of those who can defend their interests anyway.
A little off topic, but good to note.
A major terroist attack (ie 9/11) being used by the government to take more power from its people (ie patriot act/ victory act)
There are massive reports of putin sympethizers being put into power via rigged elections etc, not to mention anybody who goes agaisnt him is being thrown in jail without any notice. Russia is heading towards a communist state. Watch for the same to happen in america.
slicer17 said:
Yeah, where the hell did you pull Communism from? Not a single Communist group has any notable power or influence in Russia last time I checked.
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Commissar Lauren said:
Some of the more Fascistic groups are kind of syncretic Bolshevik/Fascist, right?
Indeed, the Rodina party, which is one of the more powerful Fascist parties with the biggest chance of kicking Putin out, is actually a split from the communist party. If you think Putin is bad now, you'll shit your pants if they take over. Ultra national fascist communists sounds almost like a joke, but thats who, at this point at least, looks to be the ones to replace Putin. They'll make his attempts at dictatorship look petty and trivial.
P.S.
Damn you for making me look up the word "syncretic".
P.S.
Damn you for making me look up the word "syncretic".