Children Of Hecate in Future Game

[X12]

One of the factions from Van Buren that intrigued me was the Daughters Of Hecate. Wouldn't it be great if the sequel to Fallout New Vegas took place in the Midwest and had you born as a member of the Children of Hecate, where you would have to find something to help save your tribe from destruction by the Legion. Or betray your tribe and have it absorbed into the Legion.

You see, the NCR simply is too powerful. Even if Legion did win the Mojave Campaign, NCR would still eventually be able to destroy them. The Children of Hecate seem to be a much more ideal adversary, both being tribes with equal power.

The main focus of the game would be tribalism, electricity would be....scarce, energy weapons much rarer, and survival would be a much bigger focus. You will be able to make custom armor, craft weapons, etc. You wont even have a Pip Boy, instead you will use a journal and map. There will still be cameos of older factions and characters such as the Brotherhood of Steel, Super Mutants, Joshua Graham, etc. It will take place entirely in the Four States Commonwealth, and you will actually be able to see what its like in Legion controlled land.

Places under control/ alliance with Hecate:

Ouroborus
New Canaan (Rebuilt)
Most of Utah and Colorado

Places under control of Legion

Flagstaff
Most of Arizona and New Mexico.

This is after the first war with Hecate, which took place in 2282 after the Legion was weakened in its war against NCR. The game takes place in 2285, and both sides are at a stalemate. You are gonna be the one that will plant the seeds of the elimination the Legion....or Hecate.


I hope however the game makers can make it better than I described it.

 

[Languorous_Maiar]

NCR would still eventually be able to destroy them.

Erm, it wouldn't
It was stated by developer in some twitter or so, that after taking Mojave Legion would be able to conquer entire NCR... and then it would fall due to not having rival.

 

[X12]

NCR would still eventually be able to destroy them.

Erm, it wouldn't
It was stated by developer in some twitter or so, that after taking Mojave Legion would be able to conquer entire NCR... and then it would fall due to not having rival.

Ok.....

I wish we had more people on this site which told me what i did RIGHT instead of just what i did WRONG.

 

[pyroD]

NCR would still eventually be able to destroy them.

Erm, it wouldn't
It was stated by developer in some twitter or so, that after taking Mojave Legion would be able to conquer entire NCR... and then it would fall due to not having rival.

Ok.....

I wish we had more people on this site which told me what i did RIGHT instead of just what i did WRONG.

He was just pointing out what the developer said, no arguing with that. But I would like to see a game take place where you said, mainly because that's where I live.

 

[X12]

NCR would still eventually be able to destroy them.

Erm, it wouldn't
It was stated by developer in some twitter or so, that after taking Mojave Legion would be able to conquer entire NCR... and then it would fall due to not having rival.

Ok.....

I wish we had more people on this site which told me what i did RIGHT instead of just what i did WRONG.

He was just pointing out what the developer said, no arguing with that. But I would like to see a game take place where you said, mainly because that's where I live.

I know, i meant i made a post and it seemed the first thing someone noticed was the mention that NCR would be able to defend against Legion (I have a hard time believing the NCR would fall to Legion.)

Anyway the last few missions will actually be to capture area in the enemies territories, with the final mission taking place in Flagstaff/ Ouroborous.

 

[SnapSlav]

(I have a hard time believing the NCR would fall to Legion.)

It shouldn't be hard to believe at all. It's simple: differences in martial discipline. One of the things Col. Moore had to say in praise of the Legion was how incredible each individual Legionary was to behold, and that they all worked for the purpose of the collective. As far as armies are concerned, the Legion's is far stronger without question, and the NCR's is far better equipped. But squads like the Misfits typify the core dilemma that the NCR faces with its troops, especially when compared to the Legion; they clash on an individual level, because each soldier's individuality isn't ever taken from them. When pressed with the ability to make decisions for himself where questionable orders are concerned, Boone explained that such a matter as "asking questions" was hammered out of recruits in boot camp through constant conditioning. Clearly, it's not to say that the same clashes as presented by the Misfits is a widespread phenomenon, but when a Legionary like Silus is the EXCEPTION- captured alive rather than killing himself if ever defeated -it's important to take note of the vast difference in martial discipline between the 2 forces. You don't need a bigger or better rock to be able to beat someone, just use the rock better.

The Legion has MUCH more superior soldiers than the NCR, and their dedication to their collective whole is unrivaled. They will follow orders without question and execute military offensives to perfection because of their solidarity. Out of all raider-born, slaver-born, and tribal-born threats that the wasteland ever threw at the NCR, it's important to recognize what distinguishes the Legion from the rest. Soldiers in the NCR are conscripts and draftees. Many of them just join because they have no where else to go and staying with their family will only drain on their resources. Many want to use it as a quick way to push themselves through a form of education, which is a rare opportunity in the wasteland. Few NCR soldiers join because they wanted to be soldiers. Bitching about the heat and complaining about boredom is simply unheard of in the Legion, because their soldiers are raised to be soldiers from birth, and have their personal identities removed from the very beginning. The average Legionary CAN'T think on his own as the very concept is stripped from them at an early age. They are the perfect wasteland soldier.

So, numbers of superior soldiers beating better equipped yet inferior soldiers, regardless of the states of advanced technologies and standards of living in the NATIONS which those armies defend and fight for, is not really much of a stretch to conceive of at all.

 

[AtomBomb]

I would love to see more of Utah...I don't live anywhere near there but knowing all the ideas they had with Van Buren and what was to take place in the area would be cool to see. Honest hearts was cool though, almost a window into what could have been. Though it's disappointing knowing that there is still plenty more that we haven't seen.

 

[Makta]

Fallout Alaska! >

 

[X12]

ok....why does it seem the first time i try to make a sensible thread with an idea, the main idea (CoH as a main faction and focus on tribalism) is ignored? Instead focusing on my errors.

 

[Emperor]

Since your idea focus on tribalism,instead of saving Hecate from Caesar's Legion as main goal, both tribes could be fighting over some old world tech that could help them. The problem is that both tribes have a gender which is dominant ( male for Caesar's Legion and female for Hecate) so depending on the gender the player would choose there would be significant differences, to avoid this you would have to elaborate how the player enters the conflict without being in a tribe ( he could be a lone wolf) or multiple origin choices based on gender (if the player choose to be male he could be a Hound of Hecate, a Legionary, a slave for Hecate, a slave for Caesar's Legion, if the player choose to be female she could be a Daughter, a slave for Caesar's Legion or something else) Your idea is great, but you need to develop it more

 

[SnapSlav]

ok....why does it seem the first time i try to make a sensible thread with an idea, the main idea [...] is ignored? Instead focusing on my errors.

All you seem to care about is people agreeing with you. Every time mistakes are addressed, you get so damn huffy about it all. If your errors being the focus of singular replies is such a bother to you, don't ever make errors again. Ever. Now, since that's physically impossible, the next sensible conclusion to reach is STOP BEING SO HUFFY ABOUT IT. Flaws getting correcting is a natural step in any lengthy discussion, and no matter how detached or attached you are to topics, what you say is inevitably going to be ripped apart by those who participate. Stop being so sensitive to it.

If you feel like the core topic you started has been distracted by tertiary discussion and you don't like that, then make some effort to redirect the topic to it. Simple as that.

 

[X12]

If you feel like the core topic you started has been distracted by tertiary discussion

I have no problem people pointing out my errors, but its when its JUST pointing out my errors that i start having a problem with. Is my main idea a good idea or not, and why? The "legion vs ncr" thing was NOT the main topic of my post.

My problem is the main idea of the post was ignored.

Also we should have backpack, which will be bigger depending on your strength. Also you should be able to preview what weapons look like (similar to how the weapon inventory viewing is in Skyrim)

 

[Mameluk]

Let me put my two cents here. Although your idea would bring some freshness into the franchise, I think it's a bit flawed.
First of all, why take PipBoy away? Reverting to how it functioned in old Fallouts would be nice, but getting rid of it is basically erasing one of the icons of the franchise. Of course it would add to that hardcore survivalist vibe you're describing, but at the cost of depriving the game of one of its most recognizable elements. Apart from that, I like the idea of high tech scarcity and survival themes, so that's a plus.

But: how did the Children of Hecate come to be in the first place?
What you're proposing is that after Legion had lost at Hoover Dam (which at this point is probably considered canon) and was pushed on the other side of Colorado, it started to crack and new tribes arose from that. Considering that ever since Sallow formed the Legion, he spent the next few decades on assimilating any tribe he could find into it. Do you think that due to this attitude he'd allow anything in Four States Commonwealth to stay independent? Obviously not, especially not a tribe like Hecate. So the simplest assumption is that Children of Hecate rose shortly after the battle of Hoover Dam.
This raises a few questions: is Caesar still alive? Are Lanius and Lucius? Is there a man to rule the Legion if they're all dead? But most importantly: is the Legion already in such a state of decay after Hoover Dam that it's starting to split into single tribes? Because if the game was to be set in Four States and the player is a member of a tribe not under Legion's control, then it must mean the Bull lost it's firm grip on that commonwealth. But if there already exists one tribe, why does the Legion exists in the first place? Its members are still tribals at heart, even if they speak proper English and have a bit more knowledge and experience than some savages hiding in canyons, they don't even hide their tribal identities (Canyon Runner, that legionnaire training dogs at Fort etc). The timeline is also strange: one year after the battle of Hoover Dam the Legion is already at war with another tribe? A tribe strong enough to challenge the Legion? Sure, it's weakened after the war with NCR, but so it was during the first battle of Hoover Dam, hell, Caesar had his Legate burned and it took some time before Lanius came into light. But yet, the Legion hasn't collapsed - why would it do so just one year after New Vegas?
Of course, we can assume that during the storyline of NV both Caesar and Lanius died, or at least the former did while the latter retreated. Add to that Lanius isn't very popular among the Legion members due to his sheer brutality, and you have a foundation for a civil war to come after Caesar is gone. But to let that happen a certain amount of time must pass. If you set it 10-20 years after New Vegas, it would make sense, but just one year?

Overall, nice idea, and in some ways it would resurrect Van Buren, but it still needs some polishing.

 

[X12]

Let me put my two cents here. Although your idea would bring some freshness into the franchise, I think it's a bit flawed.
First of all, why take PipBoy away? Reverting to how it functioned in old Fallouts would be nice, but getting rid of it is basically erasing one of the icons of the franchise. Of course it would add to that hardcore survivalist vibe you're describing, but at the cost of depriving the game of one of its most recognizable elements. Apart from that, I like the idea of high tech scarcity and survival themes, so that's a plus.

But: how did the Children of Hecate come to be in the first place?
What you're proposing is that after Legion had lost at Hoover Dam (which at this point is probably considered canon) and was pushed on the other side of Colorado, it started to crack and new tribes arose from that. Considering that ever since Sallow formed the Legion, he spent the next few decades on assimilating any tribe he could find into it. Do you think that due to this attitude he'd allow anything in Four States Commonwealth to stay independent? Obviously not, especially not a tribe like Hecate. So the simplest assumption is that Children of Hecate rose shortly after the battle of Hoover Dam.
This raises a few questions: is Caesar still alive? Are Lanius and Lucius? Is there a man to rule the Legion if they're all dead? But most importantly: is the Legion already in such a state of decay after Hoover Dam that it's starting to split into single tribes? Because if the game was to be set in Four States and the player is a member of a tribe not under Legion's control, then it must mean the Bull lost it's firm grip on that commonwealth. But if there already exists one tribe, why does the Legion exists in the first place? Its members are still tribals at heart, even if they speak proper English and have a bit more knowledge and experience than some savages hiding in canyons, they don't even hide their tribal identities (Canyon Runner, that legionnaire training dogs at Fort etc). The timeline is also strange: one year after the battle of Hoover Dam the Legion is already at war with another tribe? A tribe strong enough to challenge the Legion? Sure, it's weakened after the war with NCR, but so it was during the first battle of Hoover Dam, hell, Caesar had his Legate burned and it took some time before Lanius came into light. But yet, the Legion hasn't collapsed - why would it do so just one year after New Vegas?
Of course, we can assume that during the storyline of NV both Caesar and Lanius died, or at least the former did while the latter retreated. Add to that Lanius isn't very popular among the Legion members due to his sheer brutality, and you have a foundation for a civil war to come after Caesar is gone. But to let that happen a certain amount of time must pass. If you set it 10-20 years after New Vegas, it would make sense, but just one year?

Overall, nice idea, and in some ways it would resurrect Van Buren, but it still needs some polishing.

This was the responce i was waiting for.

Anyway, Legion did get weaker, and lost control of Utah and Colorado after a slave named Hecate caused a slave revolt, which killed Caesar in the process. Legate Lanius was killed in the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam by the Courier. In the aftermath, the Legion started to transform. It was still ruthless and deadly, but started becoming more pragmatic and cunning under the leadership of the new Caesar named Novus Imperium, or "New Rule". Novus was very rewarding to those who did what they were told and succeeded, but was merciless to those who failed him. He also allowed women to fight and was kind to the slaves, providing they did what was asked and the only thing coming out of their mouths was "Yes, Sir".

In Utah, Hecate waits patiently to bring down the Legion, and wishes to free everyone from the Legion, even if it means killing them. Hecate is as ruthless and pragmatic as Novus, the only difference is tribes are aligned to Children of Hecate rather than being absorbed into it like the Legion.

You are a member of the Children, and the fate of the tribe is in your hands.

 

[woo1108]

Fallout Alaska! >

What? you want another Operation Anchorage?

 

[X12]

^ I think he means a Fallout that takes place IN Alaska, not just a simulation.

Anyway, Novus (though he never said this publicly) was strongly opposed to the war on NCR, feeling it was a waste of the Legion's resources. He also strongly disagreed with the sacking of New Canaan for the same reasons. He doesnt hate Hecate as she was the one who (indirectly) helped him rise to power and turn the Legion into a viable power. He also is much less casual about crucifixion, believing only the worse of the worse deserve them, instead preferring decapitations or hangings. He also wishes to tempt Joshua Graham into rejoining the Legion, as he knows he would be a powerful ally and has proven his worth by simply surviving being burnt alive. He also views women in a much softer yet still pretty sexist light. He says his troops should never rape or abuse them, saying "Respect your wife as you would respect your weapon. Take care of her, make sure she is healthy and happy. Happy wife, healthy wife, healthy children, strong soldiers or useful slaves."

All in all he is the lighter shade of the dark grey that Edward Sallow was.

Anyway, the weapons will be in 5 categories: Small Guns, Big Guns, Explosives, Melee, and Unarmed.

Small Guns:

Pistols (9mm, 10mm, .357mag, .44mag, .45)

Assault Rifle (5.56mm)

Hunting Rifle (.308mm)

Sniper Rifle (.308mm)

Laser Defender (Energy Cell)

Plasma Defender (Energy Cell)

Big Guns:

Mini Gun (5mm)

Flamer (Flamer Fuel)

Incinerator (Flamer Fuel)

Gatling Laser (Electron Charge Pack)

Tesla Cannon (Electron Charge Pack)

Laser Caster (Microfusion Cell)

Plasma Caster (Microfusion Cell)

Explosives:

Grenades (Frag, Plasma, Pulse)

Mines (Frag, Plasma, Pulse)

Missile Launcher (Missile)

Grenade Rifle (40mm)

Fat Man (Mini Nuke)

Melee:

Knives

Machetes

Bumper Swords

Sledge Hammer

Super Sledge

Unarmed:

Spiked Knuckles

Power Fist

Ballistic Fist

Displacer Glove

Some of you are wondering "why the hell is there no Energy Weapon skill?" Because energy weapons will be EXTREMELY RARE, with ammo that is almost as rare.

 

[Makta]

Fallout Alaska! >

What? you want another Operation Anchorage?

If OA was bombed and took place after the nukes fell.. Then yes! Who wouldn't mind fighting the evil mutated penguin god?

 

[X12]

Fallout Alaska! >

What? you want another Operation Anchorage?

If Alaska was bombed and took place after the nukes fell.. Then yes! Who wouldn't mind fighting the evil mutated penguin god?

....Except penguins dont live in Alaska. They live primarily in Antarctica.

 

[Wumbology]

Fallout Alaska! >

What? you want another Operation Anchorage?

If Alaska was bombed and took place after the nukes fell.. Then yes! Who wouldn't mind fighting the evil mutated penguin god?

....Except penguins dont live in Alaska. They live primarily in Antarctica.

Pfft, what are you smoking? What would the polar bears eat if there were no penguins?

Jeez, I swear.

 

[X12]

Pfft, what are you smoking? What would the polar bears eat if there were no penguins?

Jeez, I swear.

.......Ok, this has NOTHING to do with the main topic of my story. Why are people ignoring my main topic? If you dont think its good say so.

Anyway I changed my mind, instead you will be a member of a small, new tribe called "Four Corners", located in....well, "Four Corners"