Did radiation really do that?

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Nuclear blast terraforming.

The atomic bombs that dropped in the great war for oil, would they have created such a desolate place?

From what I have discovered from the Chernobyl and Hiroshima blasts - the land seemed to be intact.

If one was to assume that radiation can and will dissipate. One hundred years rejuvenating could bring even the desert back to life. Although I'm certain the 'rejuvenating' land would have to have some kind of permanent underground waterway.

I think...
 
Hiroshima, Chernobyl, etc. were all just nuclear explosions, not a grand-scale attack causing irridiation of the entire world and nuclear winter.

Even so, more relevant to Fallout is that in the 50's that's how they would've seen the post-apoc future.
 
Kharn said:
Hiroshima, Chernobyl, etc. were all just nuclear explosions, not a grand-scale attack causing irridiation of the entire world and nuclear winter.

Even so, more relevant to Fallout is that in the 50's that's how they would've seen the post-apoc future.
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*slap*

Nuclear winter <> 50's sci-fi theme!

Also, it's a matter of scale, I think. Much more radiation would kill off much more organysms, and this would have effects on the environment on a global scale.

Also, maye a greenhouse effect of some sort accounted for that. We still know too little of it'smechanisms, so we can't rule this out, can we?
 
Silencer said:
Nuclear winter <> 50's sci-fi theme!
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So is the concept of FEV, as well as plasma and pulse rifles. The Fallout universe still had a nuclear winter, though, not everything in the setting is strictly 50's.
 
Kharn said:
The Fallout universe still had a nuclear winter, though, .
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When did it happen? It just had a "quiet darkness". Where is a temperature drop mentioned in-game?

Plasma and pulse rifles can be treated as a variety of "ray guns" , really, they don't differ from "ordinary" 50ish lasers in that sense.

As for FEV (and the Enclave), those were a bit post-modernist, I agree.
 
Silencer said:
Kharn said:
The Fallout universe still had a nuclear winter, though, .
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When did it happen? It just had a "quiet darkness". Where is a temperature drop mentioned in-game?

Plasma and pulse rifles can be treated as a variety of "ray guns" , really, they don't differ from "ordinary" 50ish lasers in that sense.

As for FEV (and the Enclave), those were a bit post-modernist, I agree.
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I always thought of the "quiet darkness" as "humans crawl into holes and try to forget". It seems a strange mixture to me, a former nuclear winter followed by a massively desolate enviroment. Er, desert enviroment.
 
I don't know that much about 50's sci-fi (except that I wanna see The Blob sometime), but I think the FEV fits really nicely...
 
Silencer said:
When did it happen? It just had a "quiet darkness". Where is a temperature drop mentioned in-game?
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According to the timeline, the Great Winter occurs in 2130. What the hell this means can be anyone's guess.

Silencer said:
Plasma and pulse rifles can be treated as a variety of "ray guns" , really, they don't differ from "ordinary" 50ish lasers in that sense.
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Yes they do, because lasers had a clear scientific concept behind them, as do plasma and pulse rifles. "ray guns" do not.
 
According to the timeline, the Great Winter occurs in 2130. What the hell this means can be anyone's guess.
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As far as I know, the Great Winter is not a nuclear winter. It's just this - a really harsh winter. The nuclear winter wouldn't last for only one year or season, and wouldn't occur 53 years after the War.
 
Wait, if the beam is at a ridculous low nm wavelength doesn't it become increasingly visible?

I have a green laser that is easily seen in the dark.
 
ADV said:
Nuclear blast terraforming.

The atomic bombs that dropped in the great war for oil, would they have created such a desolate place?

From what I have discovered from the Chernobyl and Hiroshima blasts - the land seemed to be intact.

If one was to assume that radiation can and will dissipate. One hundred years rejuvenating could bring even the desert back to life. Although I'm certain the 'rejuvenating' land would have to have some kind of permanent underground waterway.

I think...
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Hiroshima and Chernobyl alone had a low impact on global climate. The Idea is that every nuclear detonation damages the ozone layer and a total nuclear war would severely deplete the ozone layer.

I'm not sure if this "Nuclear Summer" climatic impact model was developed during the 50s but I'm pretty sure it predates the "Nuclear Winter" theory.

Lazarus Plus said:
Wait, if the beam is at a ridculous low nm wavelength doesn't it become increasingly visible?

I have a green laser that is easily seen in the dark.
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Yes, what you are referring to is the effect of Rayleigh Scattering. Of course, the wavelength still has to be in the visible spectrum for you to see it :P
 
The towns/area's in fallout 1/2 were out in the open* . Why were they out in the open? The water was radiated, there were raiders and the sun was beating down on them from lack of an ozone layer.

Why not put everything underground?**

Note: I'm not debating fallouts logic, its great as it is.

*Some 'towns' were underground due to NPC's need for darkness - the Slags. Also special military areas were underground (good choice).

**Vault life claustrophobia could be the reason why it wasn't implemented, or when the vaults opened - postwar survivors had already set up shop.
 
Morpoggel said:
Uhm, because Fallout would suck if everything was underground? :P
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When a friend told me he'd reached Vault City, I immediately thought he was meaning an underground complex.

Also, why? It was the premise of Static, and was promising.
 
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