John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Meh. I don't know. The Philosopher Detectives tend to have a Luddite streak compared to the CAC.
Do US presidents/governors have too much power?
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Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Play your silly mortal games! Just remember that They are ever vigilant and always watching...
I guess the USA has the only system in the Western world where individuals carry such power in the first place, if I'm not mistaken. Sure, our king (for instance) has the power to veto any law passed in Belgium, but if he does he just gets dethroned for one day while they pass the law anyway.
Most countries seperate the executive from the lawmaking power. For the best, I guess.
Most countries seperate the executive from the lawmaking power. For the best, I guess.
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
We do. We invented that.
Presidential Veto can be overtaken by a 2/3rds majority.
John Uskglass said:
I dunno, weren't the Brits first? I'm not sure though, and it's way too late to look anything up.
Yet, it's still there.
And the fact that it can be overtaken by a 2/3 majority doesn't really make it any better since, if I'm not mistaken, laws normally pass with a simple majority. Therefore, if a president or a governour were to veto against a law, there would be a pretty good chance that that law would indeed not pass. 2/3d majorities are always hard to find...
Lazarus Plus
The smoovest
Murdoch said:
Don't make me denounce you to the people.
(You have a bigger apartment than me. I'm definitely denouncing you.)
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
I have to know: Have you read the Man-Kzin Wars (specifically Buford Early and the ARM stuff)?
No I haven't. Probably due to the fact that they aren't available at the local library. I have read three books from the Ringworld quadrology.
Oh, and G-Bus and John; A number of city-states and Kings Free Cities (I'm not sure about the translation for this one) in the middle ages (two of them in Croatia) had constitutions with tripartition of power, equality in front of the law, political parties, elections and other stuff that will appear later in the Constitution of the U.S.
Oh, and G-Bus and John; A number of city-states and Kings Free Cities (I'm not sure about the translation for this one) in the middle ages (two of them in Croatia) had constitutions with tripartition of power, equality in front of the law, political parties, elections and other stuff that will appear later in the Constitution of the U.S.
Lazarus Plus
The smoovest
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
I don't know if it was mentioned in Ringworld proper, but the Illumanati ruled Humanity through the ARM and had previously shipped it's dissidents out as colonists to Wunderland (Alpha Centauri). That's why I was wondering.
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
America:
Legislative: Congress, divided into Senate and House of Representatives. Supposed to be the most powerful at inception of USA, no longer true. Writes the laws.
Judicial: Supreme Court and Court of Appeals. Reads the laws.
Executive: President and freinds. Kicks you in your instruments of generation if you do not follow the law.
UK:
Legislative/Judicial IIRC: Parliment and the Prime Minister. IIRC the House of Lords used to work like our senate, but that institution was and remains feudal in nature, thus is not very similar.
Executive: Formerly King, now pretty much the PM.
It's not all that rare, but it only happens with bad presidents. Intellegent, politically savvy presidents DO NOT veto a bill if they know their veto will be overturned. Look at Lincoln's replacement for a good example.
John Uskglass said:
From what I recall, the PM has no right to veto anything. Parliamentary Supremacy and all. IIRC, the whole system in Britain works similar to ours, in that only the king or queen can veto a law (by not signing it), but I don't think that happened in the latest few centuries. And I'm not even sure they have that power in the first palce.
The House of Lords doesn't really hold much power anymore anyway.
"Formerly" king? How far back does your 'formerly' go, for cryin' out loud? Do you still call Byelorussia 'formerly Lithuania'?
That doesn't matter - it's still there.
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Quite right. The President, while closer to a PM then a King or a Dictator, is still more powerful then your average Euro PM.
Yeah, I know. I lived in the UK you know.
Jesus. There is only Post, Pre and During Jesus' life as a mortal human.
Yes, it is. But it's not absolute by any means, and RARLEY used.
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
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in that only the king or queen can veto a law (by not signing it),
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if they want to veto it, they sign and stamp the veto line... if they just dont sign it, its called a pocket veto.
in that only the king or queen can veto a law (by not signing it),
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if they want to veto it, they sign and stamp the veto line... if they just dont sign it, its called a pocket veto.
pennyliu123
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Being a Chinese people, I'd like to say something about the topic, but I think it's better for me to keep silent.
That was such an enrichment to my life. Thank you so much for sharing that with us, dear pennyliu123.
pennyliu123
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
eh... I don't know why I can bring the "enrichment" to you, really.
We all like fallout game here, so I think we are friends already, in some value. And we each don't like any govenment to be too powerful, do we?
We all like fallout game here, so I think we are friends already, in some value. And we each don't like any govenment to be too powerful, do we?
welsh
Junkmaster
Governors- don't know. I don't think much about local politics.
Presidents- should be subject to recall. Like now.
And don't be deceived. Rasputin is alive and well and his tendrils of influence control all the mechanisms of power.
Presidents- should be subject to recall. Like now.
And don't be deceived. Rasputin is alive and well and his tendrils of influence control all the mechanisms of power.
Which Rasputin would this be? Zombie Rasputin, spirit Rasputin, reincarnated through a blood-ceremony Rasputin? Pudgy Rasputin? DJ Rasputin?
In other news, it is good to see that NMA isn't banned in China.
In other news, it is good to see that NMA isn't banned in China.