Documentary about the CIA
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l0s7 4 lyf3
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has anyone seen the show on the history channel about the assassination of JFK? it has insiders from the time talking about how some of JFK's opponents within the government (and the CIA) plotted to kill JFK. So (supposedly) they hired a Mafia hitman to do it and the best they could figure out there were 3 men hired (2 are dead) and the remaining man is old and living in a non extradition country in south america. they said his name was something like "Misov Sartee". An eyewitness to the assassination had an 8mm camera and said in the background of his footage he could see someone running from the grassy knowl ahead of the motor cade. about 20 minutes before the motor cade drove down the street a man walking by the grassy knowl saw someone there with a high powered rifle and 3 men dressed in suits approached him and told him that they were with the CIA (or FBI, it's been awhile) and told him he needed to leave. Then when JFK was assassinated in the footage you can clearly see JFK's head being blown backwards which is from a head shot from directly ahead of the motor cade. quite intruiging really.
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quietfanatic
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50c for another packet of pretzels.
l0s7 4 lyf3 said:
Yes, we all hate 1337-speech so it would be much appreciated if you asked Odin to change your name, as he has the power to do so!
Speaking of the CIA, does anyone think the head of the organizations resignation was truly motivated by personal reasons or do you think he is another 'fall guy'.
In regards to JFK, the CIA definitely had something to do with it, covering it up at the very least. But lets not get started on that in this thread or it will go on for ever.......
l0s7 4 lyf3
It Wandered In From the Wastes
the 2 died either because of health problems or just natural causes. but let's not get off topicPsychotic Nutcase said:
override367
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In reply to all people who hate Americans everywhere: it's impossible to throw an insult at the whole of America without insulting a large number of people that are from your country as well. Really, pick a country, we got a lot of them here. Can't swing a dead cat in parts of Chicago without hitting 17 different nationalities.
I could be completely off base but isn't French bashing nothing new? I mean none of the comedies I've seen that come out of England have exactly been pro French.
I mean when someone searches for "French military victories" on google and gets http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html it leaves your country open to mocking
(google has since remedied this, they got alot of complaints, but that used to be the response it gave you about 2 months ago)
and then there is this (you can reach it by clicking the defeats link from the above url as well)
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
now you will read this, curse Americans up and down for being so arrogent and stupid, then you will notice this page was not made by an American.
I could be completely off base but isn't French bashing nothing new? I mean none of the comedies I've seen that come out of England have exactly been pro French.
I mean when someone searches for "French military victories" on google and gets http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html it leaves your country open to mocking
(google has since remedied this, they got alot of complaints, but that used to be the response it gave you about 2 months ago)
and then there is this (you can reach it by clicking the defeats link from the above url as well)
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
now you will read this, curse Americans up and down for being so arrogent and stupid, then you will notice this page was not made by an American.
Perhaps it was made by a pro-american. And the English making fun of the French is understandable, they've been rivals over the past millenium.
Just saw the second part yesterday (sorry about double-posting, but this is new info). It really clarified some things about the first part, and it also explained the huge mistakes made in Iran (the CIA hadn't even heard of a Fundamentalist Islamists before and Jimmy Carter started supporting the Shah and didn't give a rat's ass about Khomeiny, which turned out to be quite an error), and later in Afghanistan, when the Soviets invaded. He basically let Brejhnev (sp?) place troops on the border, mostly because he trusted the USSR not to invade.
These errors were mostly because he had cut down heavily on the CIA's senior and experienced staff, such as field agents, not letting them gather information about the "opposing force" (i.e the Iranian islamists). He (Carter) then turned his point of view to a more aggressive tactic, telling the CIA to turn Afghanistan into a Sovietic Vietnam.
I already knew most of these things, but the details were nonetheless interesting. Especially one about how Regean was a piece of shit even before he became president; When the election was coming, and Carter was re-running for president, the US embassy staff in Teheran was kidnapped by Islamic students, which I also knew.
One thing I didn't know, however, was that someone inside Carter's own staff reported to Regean's campaign workers that Carter thought it best to free the hostages in Iran before the election. With the aid of the CIA, Regean "made sure" the hostages weren't released before the election, so that he could use the scandal against his opponent, Carter. Obviously the two ex-CIA agents who by a coincidence left Carter's senior staff to work on Regean's campaign denied it, but all things pointed to them doing such a thing, such as documents about a "Operation October" or something. Regean then turned the CIA back into a savage Intelligence organization, killing and overthrowing all over the world (many of you mentioned the details in the "Regean dying" thread, so I won't recite them here), until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Third part next week, and it will probably be about the "war against terror".
These errors were mostly because he had cut down heavily on the CIA's senior and experienced staff, such as field agents, not letting them gather information about the "opposing force" (i.e the Iranian islamists). He (Carter) then turned his point of view to a more aggressive tactic, telling the CIA to turn Afghanistan into a Sovietic Vietnam.
I already knew most of these things, but the details were nonetheless interesting. Especially one about how Regean was a piece of shit even before he became president; When the election was coming, and Carter was re-running for president, the US embassy staff in Teheran was kidnapped by Islamic students, which I also knew.
One thing I didn't know, however, was that someone inside Carter's own staff reported to Regean's campaign workers that Carter thought it best to free the hostages in Iran before the election. With the aid of the CIA, Regean "made sure" the hostages weren't released before the election, so that he could use the scandal against his opponent, Carter. Obviously the two ex-CIA agents who by a coincidence left Carter's senior staff to work on Regean's campaign denied it, but all things pointed to them doing such a thing, such as documents about a "Operation October" or something. Regean then turned the CIA back into a savage Intelligence organization, killing and overthrowing all over the world (many of you mentioned the details in the "Regean dying" thread, so I won't recite them here), until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Third part next week, and it will probably be about the "war against terror".
Ah hah! Who was director of the CIA before the Gipper years? Doobie dooby doo!
By the way, I found something just a tad disturbing
By the way, I found something just a tad disturbing
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Wooz69 said:
Yes, they mentioned that in the documentary. The CIA took a "cute" turn when the Soviet union collapsed, wanting to keep a less evil face. When da big enemy was gone, they didn't have much to do.
And is it just me, or does the CIA Website have piss-poor design?
welsh
Junkmaster
For those interested in CIA dirty deeds and it's relationship to drugs- try
McCoy, Politics of Heroin in South East Asia (1972) where you get to learn about how
- the connection between the CIA and the Corciscan Mob in France
- the connection between opium, hmong tribes men, and the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu
- THe connection between Chinese refugees and the development of the Golden Triange.
Fun reading... really!
McCoy, Politics of Heroin in South East Asia (1972) where you get to learn about how
- the connection between the CIA and the Corciscan Mob in France
- the connection between opium, hmong tribes men, and the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu
- THe connection between Chinese refugees and the development of the Golden Triange.
Fun reading... really!
Wait, wait, so the Americans actually contributed to the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu, just to be drawn into a similar conflict 10 years later? Talk about blooper.
The French troops at Dien Bien Phu were mostly composed of Foreign Legion soldiers.
Guess who joined the Foreign Legion after WW2?
Guess who joined the Foreign Legion after WW2?
The nazis? In that case, it served them right.
Johns Volition
Still Mildly Glowing
I kind of doubt that