Draft Bill defeated soundly in Congress

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The House of Representatives voted on bill to reinstate the draft by Democrat Charles Rangel (NY), and defeated it soundly, 402-2. The bill, which languished in Congress with no real support since its introduction in January 2003, has often been used as evidence the Republicans favor a draft, despite the fact that a Democrat sponsored it, 14 other Democrats cosponsored it, and no Republicans supported it. The rumors reached urban legend status, leading the House Republicans to take the uncommon step of voting on a bill that was not under remotely serious consideration. The two voting in favor of the bill were Democrats John Murtha (PA) and Pete Stark (CA), who was one of the cosponsors. Republican Senate majority leader Bill Frist said the Senate will not address the issue.
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http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/04/10/06/0441212.shtml?tid=226&tid=225&tid=224

Well, that takes care of that, then.
 
Bingo- THe Democrats supported it in part to ask Americans- If you like Iraq, would you send your sons and daughters to die there?

That and the fact that our military is mostly committed to Iraq at the expense of just about everything else.
 
welsh said:
Bingo- THe Democrats supported it in part to ask Americans- If you like Iraq, would you send your sons and daughters to die there?

That and the fact that our military is mostly committed to Iraq at the expense of just about everything else.
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:roll: if that whas the demoncrats idea was i worry about their mental state. trying to instate a draft that would kill people who didnt volunteer for service just to make their point that they dont like the war in iraq is pretty sick.
 
You do realise they knew that that bill would never ever come through? *sigh*
 
yes i know it never went through, but that still dosnt take away from the fact that demoncrates are willing to force our youth into war just to prove a point.

and i dont wat to hear that O MY GOD bush the ultimate evil sent troops to war, because the troops he sent are volunteers. the draft is a totally different set of circumstances as you all know.
 
yes i know it never went through, but that still dosnt take away from the fact that demoncrates are willing to force our youth into war just to prove a point.
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ARGH! Fucking READ what the fuck I SAY!
"they knew that that bill would never ever come through"
Jesus fucking christ.
 
Bob, you have seen the "English Motherfucker, Do you speak it?" Pics, right?

I don't think that this bill had much life to it and from what I have seen from the congressman pushing the legislation, the goal was to get people thinking about the willingness of america to commit to the war on terror.

SO far the only thing the president has told us to do in order to support the troops is to go shopping. WTF?

But as point of fact, our military is currently over committed in Iraq. The US military posture has been, since 1945, to fight a 2 1/2 wars- Two regional conflicts (Europe and the Pacific) and still have enough left over to deal with a major crisis (if we need to invade Haiti again).

Right now 9 out of 10 US divisions are either in, coming from or going to, Iraq. We have drawn troops from Europe and Asia, and probably couldn't deal with another contigency. As the world's superpower, our military is overstretched.

The draft would be one way to deal with this issue. It would also force people to ask the question- how far are we willing to go for this war.

Right now the American people can politely watch TV, see Americans get blown away, knowing that this is a volunteer army and the troops are paid for that kind of risk. Make it obligatory to serve and people will begin to ask questions- when should are military be deployed? Should they be deployed in Iraq?

It would make the war personable.

But it should be noted that if Iraq was not necessary for the national security of the US, than we don't have enough troops to fight if we have to deal with a real threat to our national security.

Under those circumstances, I doubt anyone would blink over the draft. We had a draft in World War 2, in Korea and Vietnam. Why not Iraq?
 
I can understand Sander...ya its just a way to draw attention to it...sadly. Im glad its a non-issue, as it shows in itself the lack of support for the war.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Im glad there wont be a draft.
I wouldnt want to serve with people who didnt want to be there.
A lot of Nam vets live in my neighborhood, and Ive talked to them a lot, and from what they say one of the things that got people killed over in nam (aside from politicians micromanaging) was draftees that didnt want to be there in the first place acting stupid and not paying attention.
 
I WILL NOT serve with any draftee....

Any man that does not choose to serve, and is not fully committed to his job and the country he fights for, does not DESREVE to be a soldier... has not EARNED THE RIGHT to have that title....

If the draft is instated.... And any draftee ends up in any company i work in.... i will refuse to fly if they do ANY work on my bird that i have not checked, watched, double checked and tripple checked.

My job requires that i fly, I have to trust my life to every man and woman that lays a finger on my bird.... I cant trust a draftee....
 
Elissar said:
Any man that does not choose to serve, and is not fully committed to his job and the country he fights for, does not DESREVE to be a soldier... has not EARNED THE RIGHT to have that title....

If the draft is instated.... And any draftee ends up in any company i work in.... i will refuse to fly if they do ANY work on my bird that i have not checked, watched, double checked and tripple checked.

My job requires that i fly, I have to trust my life to every man and woman that lays a finger on my bird.... I cant trust a draftee....
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I understand your concerns, but sometimes you don't have the luxury of having a sufficiently large and well-armed professional army. Back in 1991, Croatia was invaded by a country twice its size, a country with the third largest army in Europe. Had we not instated draft, they would have crushed us in a matter of months, if not weeks. Draft is never pretty, but sometimes it's necessary.

Croatia has always had compulsory military service, though, so all men have a degree of military experience when they are conscripted. In that respect, I don't envy professional soldiers who have to serve with a dumbass who can't tell his rifle from a pogo stick.
 
With all those violent war movies and video games, combined with personal weapon usage, the draft shouldn't pose much of a problem to the US army. At least not in certain parts of the country.
 
The issue of drafted soldiers Baboon is not whether they learned how to use weapons from DOOM or MoH, but rather if they have the conviction to actually use them.

And the issue is different from what you describe Ratty. Believe me when I say that if a foreign power were to invade the US that there would be no shortage of volunteers to fill the ranks of a five hundred infantry divisions. Not to mention the hundreds of well-armed militias that would spring up overnight. Rather, this is a case of finding people who are willing to join a military that goes overseas to pursue American interests that do not a direct benefit to the defense of the US.

As an aside, Kerry proposed in Friday's debate the activation/recruitment of 40,000 additional soldiers if he became president, in order to let the National Guard do what its supposed to do and stop shafting servicemen who are trying to get out. I find it ironic that the end of the Cold War requires more active duty soldiers, not less. Do you think that 40,000 more active soldiers would fix the problems we are having with restive peoples?
 
So about that draft-

When will the next war happen?

Why Bush Will Restart the Draft if Re-elected
By Senator Tom Harkin
The Minnesota Daily

Thursday 28 October 2004

A major terrorist attack could easily serve as the pretext for setting the draft in motion.
President George W. Bush may or may not have a secret plan to reinstate the draft. But this is besides the point. The deteriorating facts on the ground in Iraq, plus the Bush doctrine of acting pre-emptively and unilaterally against hostile regimes, will soon leave him no choice. If Bush is re-elected, he will have to restart the draft.

Indeed, Bush has already imposed stage one of a new draft. Many soldiers whose enlistment period is up are not being allowed to leave the service, and those who left the service years ago are being forced to put on the uniform again against their wills. It is clear that we already have a back-door draft. Bush has effectively ended the all-volunteer military.

And stage two of a reinstated draft would be easy to implement. Draft boards are already in place in every county in the United States, and young men who turn 18 are already required to register with their local draft board. A major terrorist attack could easily serve as the pretext for flipping the switch and setting this apparatus in motion.

It is obvious that our armed forces are stretched dangerously thin. We do not have enough people in uniform to meet current needs in Iraq and Afghanistan, much less to deal with a confrontation with Iran or North Korea.

Right now, total active Army and Marine personnel number approximately 655,000, and that includes support units, training units, headquarters personnel and others who do not see combat. In a long, drawn-out war such as Vietnam or Iraq, units sent to the front lines have to be rotated out periodically and replaced by an equal number of forces.

Currently, we have 135,000 troops in Iraq, 20,000 in Afghanistan, approximately 100,000 in Asia and more than 100,000 in Europe. Our armed forces have been strained to the breaking point. To fill the gaps and shortages, tens of thousands of National Guard and reservists have been called up, some for several years at a time.

But there is a cost to all of this. Morale is suffering, as evidenced by the recent refusal of an Army Reserve platoon to carry out an order. Enlistments and re-enlistments are down. The Army National Guard fell 10 percent short of its 2004 recruiting goal. The regular Army has had to ease up on standards to meet its recruiting goals.

What if all-out civil war breaks out in Iraq and we have to increase our troop strength to 200,000 or 300,000 to quell it? What if a newly re-elected Bush decides to act pre-emptively against Iran, Syria or North Korea?

Today, people are hesitant to join the National Guard or reserves because of skyrocketing odds of being sent into combat or kept away from family and jobs for a year or longer. Morale, enlistments and re-enlistments are falling, at the same time that military manpower needs are rising dramatically.

So where would a re-elected Bush get the manpower to pacify Iraq while pursuing the next phases of his doctrine of pre-emptive, unilateral war? There is only one viable option: a reinstated draft.

It is probably too much to expect Bush to acknowledge this before Election Day. But we would do well to remember when President Lyndon B. Johnson was running for election in 1964.

Voters were afraid he had a secret plan to escalate the war in Vietnam. He denied it, repeatedly promising, “I will not send American boys halfway around the world to do a job that Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.”

Johnson was re-elected. And sure enough, millions of U.S. boys were drafted and sent halfway around the world to Vietnam. More than 17,000 of those draftees got killed in combat.

So Americans, today we have good reasons to fear the return of the draft. Bush might have avoided the draft when he was a young man. But if re-elected, he will not be able to avoid the draft as president.

Tom Harkin is a Democratic senator from Iowa.
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It's the only Newspaper that buys any of this shit about the Draft.

It's by far the stupidest thing in America, possibly the world save the whole ZIONIST-AMERICA thing.

THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. DRAFTED SOLDIERS ARE USELESS. THIS IS NOT ISREAL.
 
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