EU and the arms embargo-

welsh

Junkmaster
I vagually recall that the embargo was done because the Chinese were running over protestors with tanks.

So why is EU thinking about dropping the arms embargo?

Is this a chance to make a quick buck?
Time to out manuever the US and get koozy with the Chinese?

What do you think? Is this the face of the more ethical EU in action?

What the hell's wrong with an arms race in another part of the world, anyway?

EU's China arms move faces delay
The European Union may have to delay lifting its arms embargo on China, British officials said on Tuesday.
They pointed to comments by UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who said China's passing of a law against Taiwan secession had made it "more difficult".

The arms ban, imposed after the 1989 Tiananmen massacre, was widely expected to be lifted later this year.

But the US has stepped up its criticism of the move, which it fears could fuel the arms race between China and Taiwan.

France and Germany are keen to lift the embargo and replace it with a strengthened code of conduct on all EU arms sales. Britain, which takes over the six month EU presidency on 1 July, has given its support in principle.

But the BBC News Website's World Affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds, says the British government now appears reluctant to have the embargo lifted while it is holding the EU presidency.

A decision during that time might embarrass British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a close ally of US President Bush, our correspondent says.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said at the weekend that the problems of lifting the embargo had recently become "more difficult rather than less difficult".

He said that Beijing's recent passage of a law allowing China to use military force against Taiwan if it moved towards declaring independence had created "a difficult political environment" that was complicating the lifting of the arms ban.

Ending her visit to Beijing on Monday, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Mr Straw's "sobering comments" reinforced Washington's concern that lifting the embargo would alter the balance of military forces in the region.

The US has always opposed the lifting of the ban, warning that China could embark on an arms-buying spree.

Because the US might help defend Taiwan in the event of an attack by China, it does not want anything to add to Chinese capabilities.

British officials denied US reports that the EU had already decided to put off consideration of lifting the embargo until next year.
 
Uhm, your article is not about lifting the embargo, welsh, it's about post-poning lifting the embargo because of recent developments, which seems a lighter note.

And yes, this is the EU simply jumping at a chance to make a quick buck at the USA's cost. Not that it'll really matter. Top 15 arms exporters (1999, couldn't get a more recent figure and I have to go to dinner):

* United States,$33bn
* United Kingdom, $5.2bn
* Russia, $3.1bn
* France, $2.9bn
* Germany,$1.9bn
* Sweden, $700m
* Australia, $600m
* Canada, $600m
* Israel, $600m
* Ukraine, $600m
* Italy, $400m
* Belarus, $300m
* People's Republic of China, $300m
* Bulgaria, $200m
* North Korea, $100m

I think the US should feel hardpressed to act all indignant about this, considering its personal history.

Heck, doesn't this remind you of other likewise situations? US flags morality because its convenient, EU forgets morality because its convenient. Once again morality proves to be little more than convenience
 
Once again morality proves to be little more than convenience
Sad but true. In my eyes lifting the embargo would be a big mistake, maybe the largest in EU's foreign policy in the last years.
I may be not very objective in this thing because I was in a movement which goal it was to support Tibet to get free from Chinese occupation.
I know that the People's Republic has made steps towards democracy and the human rights situation has improved.
But weapons delivered by European armaments manufacturers will be used to threaten the Republic of China (Taiwan) or other smaller Asian countries, which might be seen as a danger or as enemies by the People's Republic government.
Europe (especially Germany) should have done better by standing at the side of democratic and free (and mostly western-orientated) countries, i.e. Taiwan.
To hold up the embargo thus would be no action in a "fight against communism" (which would be ridiculous 'cause China has moved towards a free economy) as I hear it often from people in my surroundings, but an act of democracy enforcement.
If the EU lifts the embargo, it betray its own ideals to my eyes.
Another point is the not very laudable role of Germany in this whole thing. Our chancellor himself pleaded a few times to abolish the embargo. I guess he knows for what reason: In large parts of Asia German industrial products and technology still has an image of high quality and reliability, and that does not only apply for cars.
So guess who will sell the most weapons :roll:.
It's disgusting how fast a country is willing to forget its general principles just for quick money :cry:.

EDIT: *writes 100 times "I shall not post in political threads"*
 
Indeed morality is a convenient tool of policy.

Ok, so another article on this-

China urges EU to lift arms ban
Tuesday, March 22, 2005 Posted: 7:07 AM EST (1207 GMT)


BRUSSELS, Belgium -- As European Union leaders begin gathering in Brussels, China has urged them to push ahead with plans to lift a 15-year-old embargo on arms sales to the country.

The 25-member bloc is expected to delay lifting the embargo amid opposition from the United States and concern over Beijing's passage of a law authorizing the use of military forces against Taiwan.

"The EU ban on arms sales to China is political discrimination against China and out of keeping with the times," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told a news conference Tuesday.

"Linking these two issues is unreasonable," Liu said. "The passage of the anti-secession law is an effort to ease tensions across the Taiwan Straits.

"The key to ease tensions is to check Taiwan's secessionary forces and to stop all secessionist activities."

But British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has said the anti-secession law could delay lifting the embargo because of the "non-peaceful" means China is prepared to use to block any independence bid by Taiwan.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Congress has threatened retaliation against the EU -- including not approving licenses for technology transfers -- if members lift the embargo.

During a recent tour of Asia, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said lifting it could alter the military balance in the region, where the United States stations armed forces.

The arms embargo is among a number of issues EU leaders will deal with at their two-day summit.

They will also be asked to approve a reform of the euro stability rules, which would give members countries more room to raise budget deficits to spur the economy. (Full story)

EU finance ministers on Sunday completed five months of negotiations, agreeing to allow member's budget deficits -- in exceptional circumstances -- to exceed the current ceiling of 3 percent of gross domestic product.

The Brussels meeting will also address proposed reforms in the services sector, as well as other business-friendly measures and increased research spending to boost long-term growth and re-ignite the EU's flagging economy.

Another cloud over the summit is a prediction that the approval of the EU's first constitution is in trouble in France.

A new opinion poll suggests that most French voters would reject the EU constitution if a referendum were held today -- in part because of opposition to reforms designed to make the European economy more flexible, which unions see as an attack on job security and social services.

Future membership in the EU is another issue.

Last week, the bloc said it was putting membership talks with Croatia on hold because it had yet to fully cooperated with the U.N. war crimes tribunal.

At the same time, Serbia and Bosnia want to open negotiations in the next few months on "stability and association agreements" with the EU.

You Euros got a lot on the plate.

Arms Sales?
Big bucks baby!

Hey man, it takes years to build a multi-billion dollar military-industrial complex with global ambitions. Keep at it, you'll get there.

Not bad on the stats Kharno! EEEEXTREEEMMEEEly interesting.

Ok, but here's something a bit more updated.
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Note- if the math is right, someone is playing with the accounts.

Check out the BBC arms trade at-a-glance

$105 mil for an F-15, vs $20 mil for s Sukhoi S-30? You want the best, ya gotta pay for it!

Top three companies- all americans!

Love those Chinese- we passed a law saying we can go to war for Taiwan, now you sell us the guns.
 
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